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[ptsnu1]

First of all, thank you for sharing this great mod.

Color not working for me, tried to uninstall everything and clean new folder and nothing.

 

Extracted the files into the main root, then ran the .bat.

No black window showed up, and then the game didn't want to start.

To make it start, I replaced the path with the original you provided.

 

Even without the colors, I'm glad with the mod.

[kristermann]

Nice number of battles there ptsnu1... but I'm sure you're experienced enough to know what a 'great mod' is and one that will ruin the game...

[dan_can]

2nd account I guess.

 

And can someone please stop promoting this BS mod ?

[ptsnu1]

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Nice number of battles there ptsnu1... but I'm sure you're experienced enough to know what a 'great mod' is and one that will ruin the game...

3474 battles at the moment, NA server.

Unlike you I don't feel qualified to say if it's good or bad for the game for I don't like to jump at conclusions too soon.

All I was referring to was the fact that it works as intended when it shows you during the match info such as the progress of your own win/loss ratio. 

Edited by ptsnu1, 12 March 2014 - 02:20 PM.

[dan_can]

Yeah, but we don't want it here.

[kristermann]

There's no jumping to conclusions here fella, we're not American.

 

We aren't so short sighted and can see that this mod, if allowed to become commonplace, will destroy the game we enjoy.

[ptsnu1]

Thinking that just because it says 0 battles means my experience with the game is 0 battles, that's jumping to conclusions.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others have to despise it too.

If you don't like it, that's fine with me, I'm more concerned about the info it can provide about my own stats, than the mod preferences of others.

Also, never intended to begin a discussion about the mod's impact on the game in the future.

 

Edited by ptsnu1, 12 March 2014 - 02:54 PM.

[jakub_czyli_ja]

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

We aren't so short sighted and can see that this mod, if allowed to become commonplace, will destroy the game we enjoy.

It depends on who enjoys what in this game.

[dan_can]

I guess idling at 4000m is ur thing then ?

[jakub_czyli_ja]

Sometimes.

[kristermann]

ptsnu1, on 12 March 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

Thinking that just because it says 0 battles means my experience with the game is 0 battles, that's jumping to conclusions.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean others have to despise it too.

If you don't like it, that's fine with me, I'm more concerned about the info it can provide about my own stats, than the mod preferences of others.

Also, never intended to begin a discussion about the mod's impact on the game in the future.

 

 

I think the majority of decent players despise it. They can see it for what it is, a cheat that is already starting to degrade the game. I know of a few exceptions but to be brutally honest, they're stupid.

I don't care if others like it, I can guarantee they don't play the game with much skill because otherwise they wouldn't need it. If you want to check your stats you can do it on the website or on 3rd party stat websites. You can even do it in the service record or at the end of a battle. There is absolutely zero need to have EVERYONES stats fed to you in a game, apart from to gain an advantage over people who do not have it installed and have spoon fed to you the location of skilled players. To argue anything else is just idiocy.

 

I wouldn't get involved in a mod discussion again if I was you, your arguments are pathetically short sighted and selfish.

[jakub_czyli_ja]

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

There is absolutely zero need to have EVERYONES stats fed to you in a game, apart from to gain an advantage over people who do not have it installed and have spoon fed to you the location of skilled players. To argue anything else is just idiocy.

 

I wouldn't get involved in a mod discussion again if I was you, your arguments are pathetically short sighted and selfish.

I thinks you are mistaking XVM and its minimap features with this mod.

 

So to make it clear - location of player is shown when that player's plane is drawn. Not on minimap (except obvious cases like sole plane of given type).

What are you afraid of - that everybody and their mothers will try to take down your plane? Isn't it like that just now?

 

Or maybe is it - I can't sneak to them anymore and with my superior skill I won't be able to sealclub one after another because some of them may notice my skill indicator and try to run away from me and less frags for me? In such case short sighted and selfish don't sound good.

 

I prefer to know the odds and it saves a lot of frustration.

 

Of course plane names and altitudes on minimap would be also great. And possibility to use colors in nicks over planes instead of numbers, and possibility to change colors to ones that I''m used to from XVM...

 

[ptsnu1]

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

 

I think the majority of decent players despise it. They can see it for what it is, a cheat that is already starting to degrade the game. I know of a few exceptions but to be brutally honest, they're stupid.

I don't care if others like it, I can guarantee they don't play the game with much skill because otherwise they wouldn't need it. If you want to check your stats you can do it on the website or on 3rd party stat websites. You can even do it in the service record or at the end of a battle. There is absolutely zero need to have EVERYONES stats fed to you in a game, apart from to gain an advantage over people who do not have it installed and have spoon fed to you the location of skilled players. To argue anything else is just idiocy.

 

I wouldn't get involved in a mod discussion again if I was you, your arguments are pathetically short sighted and selfish.

 

I posted to say thanks to someone who shared his work, nothing more. The title of this thread is not (Discuss the impact of the mod on the game in the future), so I didn't post with any arguments, or felt the need to argue.

If I want to see my stats inside the game, and a mod provides this I should have the opportunity to see them, I never talked about others stats.  

You are having selfish arguments when you try to impose your believe about the mod, and try to make others despise it because you don't like it.

[kristermann]

 

Your argument is utter tripe jakub. Name me another game, WoT aside (which has been ruined by similar mods), where you get to see an opponents skill level when you're about to fight them.

Can you image counterstrike or COD where you see peoples skill above their head all the time? It'd be campers heaven. How about while you're playing a game of poker in a casino and someone has a 'Pro Poker Shark: watch out' sign forced above their head as they are a good player then no-one plays against them? It is utterly retarded to even think that the stats side of this mod is good for the game, and very selfish when you try to justify such a powerful tool as a personal stat helper. Good players should not be penalised just because they have played for a while and are higher skilled. Put it this way, if I and my flight all installed this I would be very surprised if we lost many matches in a night unless you come up against other skilled players with it on. If you know how to use it and are skilled, it will be brutally efficient. I choose not to though as i see it as highly unfair, cowardly and detrimental to the game.

 

jakub_czyli_ja, on 12 March 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Or maybe is it - I can't sneak to them anymore and with my superior skill I won't be able to sealclub one after another because some of them may notice my skill indicator and try to run away from me and less frags for me? In such case short sighted and selfish don't sound good.

 

I prefer to know the odds and it saves a lot of frustration.

 

 

Read back what you've just said. You should not be able to judge what your actions in the game will be just by looking at the opponents skill. Skilled players are skilled for a reason, they have played longer or are just better than you. That's not their problem, but yours. You want to fix it? Get better at the game. You want to see your stats? Do it after a game. You are the one being short sighted and selfish as you want an easy way of avoiding being killed without using your own brain but giving no thought as to how s*** this game would be if the majority of players have this installed.

 

Knowing the odds or who you will fight against before battles in early air combat wasn't the norm, nor should it be in this game. Unpredictability is part of air combat just as much as skill and being able to think out situations yourself.

 

@ptsnu1 - Apologies, the jumping to conclusion i was referring to was you saying that this is a great mod. That's you jumping to a conclusion :). So what do you think about seeing everyone in the games stats and having colour codes show in battle? As for you saying that I'm being selfish, you couldn't be more wrong - I'm arguing against this for the good of the game which I can see surely being destroyed if these stat mods are allowed to continue. It is the opposite of selfish.

[Phor_Nikate]

I am totally against this sort of mod and agree totally with kristermann. I am sure that I have been targetted already by users of this mod as I have already witnessed 2 enemies pointing me out to kill first. I want to believe it was said in fun but when you get swamped you start to think otherwise. By aiming for statistically better players will hardly improve their game and certainly ruins the targeted players game. The game offers more than enough hints of weak and strong players with their health meters. I know it is more arcade than sim but please, leave game modifications up to the game devs and not soloists. I applaud the technical skill needed to create mods such as this but for the mod itself, a big no from me. 

[jakub_czyli_ja]

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

Your argument is utter tripe jakub. Name me another game, WoT aside (which has been ruined by similar mods), where you get to see an opponents skill level when you're about to fight them.

Can you image counterstrike or COD where you see peoples skill above their head all the time? It'd be campers heaven.

You miss, or omit, one important thing - matchmaker. Do you know a lot of games where players are just thrown in? It isn't so hard to find for example this: https://support.acti...n-Public-Match/ . In that case I know that people against me are similar skilled as I. No walk in the park, no instadeath. Can you select other server with different set of players in WoT or WoWP? Somehow I doubt.

And because of that, need for possibility to determine skill of own team members - who to support, who is worthless, appeared.

So much about campers heaven.

 

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

How about while you're playing a game of poker in a casino and someone has a 'Pro Poker Shark: watch out' sign forced above their head as they are a good player then no-one plays against them?

Do you think that Pro Poker Sharks don't know each other, as well as casinos don't know them? And still - except helping to make a decision to play or not to play, this mod helps to make a decision how to play.

 

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

It is utterly retarded to even think that the stats side of this mod is good for the game, and very selfish when you try to justify such a powerful tool as a personal stat helper. Good players should not be penalised just because they have played for a while and are higher skilled.

Yup, very selfish. You don't want to be recognized as a threat and it isn't selfish at all.

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

Put it this way, if I and my flight all installed this I would be very surprised if we lost many matches in a night unless you come up against other skilled players with it on. If you know how to use it and are skilled, it will be brutally efficient. I choose not to though as i see it as highly unfair, cowardly and detrimental to the game.

And now do you lose many matches in a night?

Make up your mind - will it be harder or easier for you?

 

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

Read back what you've just said. You should not be able to judge what your actions in the game will be just by looking at the opponents skill. Skilled players are skilled for a reason, they have played longer or are just better than you. That's not their problem, but yours. You want to fix it? Get better at the game.

And since I don't give a damn about my stats, but care about exp and credit generation in time, knowledge of opponent's skills helps me in few things in the game. You want to reduce impact of this mod? Get better at the game, then any mod won't help anyone against you. You think it's helping - you have space for developing yourself.

 

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

You are the one being short sighted and selfish as you want an easy way of avoiding being killed without using your own brain but giving no thought as to how s*** this game would be if the majority of players have this installed.

I think I can leave all sentences where word "selfish" is used as a nice example of hypocrisy. You are doing exactly same thing as you try to accuse your opponents.

In limited space of map most of times I can't avoud being killed. Knowing skill of my team matters only in time I'll stay alive.

 

kristermann, on 12 March 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

Knowing the odds or who you will fight against before battles in early air combat wasn't the norm, nor should it be in this game. Unpredictability is part of air combat just as much as skill and being able to think out situations yourself.

And because of that I'd like to be more situation aware than I am now. For example by knowing which planes of my team are something more than just homing missiles. And after the battle, when I switch from burning wreck of my plane to other planes in my team, I like to know the answer, what is wrong, why can't they hit enemy, why are they flying in such way, and not the other.

Knowing their skill helps a lot.

[POKker1996]

Hey guys!

 

Let me submit an Idea! Let's just "NO TO XVM/Hryunomod" in our signatures if we don't want of this game ruining mod.

 

For my part the widespreading of this mod may actually help, I'm a pretty decent player but my stats are terrible vecause I alaways arrive in battle after it started (hardware issues mainly) and in 1/4 of my battles I can't even play because I'm either stuck at loading screen or my game/system crashed. This way I'll probably end up in black and I will be able destroy all those stupid XVM users muhahahahahahahahaha!

 

May the baguette be with you!

[RealDyngrak]

WG... either ban this cheat mod. Or if you think its OK... implement it in the game so everyone can compete at the same level!!!

[hryuun]

For custom icons developers only. In the archive you will find the modified swf and a sample config file. In the example below you can see the icon section of the config. By default the inscription over the icons are on.

https://code.google....artyIconSupport

Edited by hryuun, 12 March 2014 - 06:32 PM.

[Captain_Edwards]

Oh dear god. If you dont like the mod dont use it, its that simple. Having statistics in game is NOT a cheat, and it is NOT an advantage. The only possible advantage is in how you use the information. Most people who complain about others viewing stats dont realise we can do that ANYWAY by simply checking you out. No you stats are not hidden, they are displayed for everyone to see on the games portal site for everyone to see. All mods like this does is make that available in game through colour coding.

 

As for getting targeted in game, thats normal. This isnt WoT where you can hide in a bush all match. If I see you, I'm calling out to my team I'm attacking you. Someone else near by will likely see the call and tag on too. Nothing to do with your stats, and everything to do with the fact you flew in to view of our team like a dunce and got zapped.

 

FYI CoD gives players ratings and shows them in the player panel. You can at the start of a match click a button and see a players "tag" and know if they are noob or not. Not prestiged yet? Noob. Prestiged 8x ? Probably Pro, so be careful. Halo 4 - Pre player screen shows player level, XP, class loadout etc.  Saying no game lets you see another players stats in game is moronic, because almost every competitive multiplayer game does exactly that these days.

 

How about you kids go thread crap somewhere else? This is a mod thread not a discourse on your world views on gaming.

 

@Hryuun - Keep up the good work mate.

Edited by Captain_Edwards, 12 March 2014 - 06:52 PM.