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Deamon93 #1 Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:14 PM

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It's been almost a year since i've started making my own version of the Italian tech tree, one of the most done as far as i could see(there are several version in all three regions). I've started making it months ago while the game was still in Beta and now, even though not complete, i feel that it's time to reveal it to the public of this forum. I reveal it in the English forum because i would like to hear some feedback from you. I've tried my best to make it as perfect as possible considering all the counterparts currently present ingame but, since i'm human and i can do something wrong, having a feedback from a wider group surely helps.

 

Attached to the topic there's the tree but before dowloading it please read these points:

1)As the title says it's still a work in progress

2)The "??" means that i haven't found(for now) a suitable option for that particular slot.

3)The planes with a question mark after them are in doubts since i'm not 100% sure on them(for now).

4)The number of holes is bigger on the HF and GAA branches because i haven't focused all my efforts on them. I chose to focus primarily on the fighter since their branches are easier to make.

5)I rigorously divided the branches by manufacturer wherever possible.

6)I haven't considered fake planes(Re.2007 for example).

7)Some planes are still missing(Sagitarrio II for example). They would come eventually.

8)I haven't considered any foreign designs since i don't want to make something similar to the Chinese tech tree in WoT.

9)Every suggestion/correction is appreciated.

 

I hope you'll like it!

 

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EDIT: to complete the work i've also prepared the modules for the fighters(at least the ones i'm more certain of). From a certain point on i stopped considering the external payload(bombs&rockets) simply because i focused on the others(they are not as important). I also correct a thing(the MB 327 at tier X for Macchi rather than the MB 324)

 

 

 

 

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  • Attached File   Italian tech tree.bmp   3.75MB
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Elendil309 #2 Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:46 PM

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I know nothing about Italian planes but you've obviously spent a lot of time on this. Unfortunately I've run out of +1s! I'll have to be stingier.

 

I doubt all countries will have all types of aircraft, all will have at least 1 full fighter line no doubt but I would think HFs and GAAs would be less common. And who knows about bombers? I would love British V bombers (Valiant, Vulcan(!), Victor) at top tiers!

 

I wonder what WG will do about fast GAAs like Typhoon and Tempest... I imagine they'll just make them light fighters, they were multi-role IRL.


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Deamon93 #3 Posted 11 March 2014 - 12:06 AM

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View PostElendil309, on 11 March 2014 - 12:46 AM, said:

I know nothing about Italian planes but you've obviously spent a lot of time on this. Unfortunately I've run out of +1s! I'll have to be stingier.

 

I doubt all countries will have all types of aircraft, all will have at least 1 full fighter line no doubt but I would think HFs and GAAs would be less common. And who knows about bombers? I would love British V bombers (Valiant, Vulcan(!), Victor) at top tiers!

 

I wonder what WG will do about fast GAAs like Typhoon and Tempest... I imagine they'll just make them light fighters, they were multi-role IRL.


Well i gave some love to every class since i think that some more branches wouldn't hurt. We'll see anyway, it will take some time before even completing the three fighter branches.



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Elendil309 #4 Posted 11 March 2014 - 12:35 AM

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View PostDeamon93, on 11 March 2014 - 12:06 AM, said:


Well i gave some love to every class since i think that some more branches wouldn't hurt. We'll see anyway, it will take some time before even completing the three fighter branches.

 

Of course you did, it's more fun that way isn't it? I was just saying I doubt we will ever see every plane from the era, just the famous ones and the ones that fill a gap in a tech tree. I mean, come on, no way would the 262 HG2 and 3 be in the game if they were going purely on merit, they're just there to provide those all important top tiers of lines that obviously have to be in the game.


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Deamon93 #5 Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:23 AM

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View PostElendil309, on 11 March 2014 - 01:35 AM, said:

 

Of course you did, it's more fun that way isn't it? I was just saying I doubt we will ever see every plane from the era, just the famous ones and the ones that fill a gap in a tech tree. I mean, come on, no way would the 262 HG2 and 3 be in the game if they were going purely on merit, they're just there to provide those all important top tiers of lines that obviously have to be in the game.


Surely it is more complicated due to the fact that the number of holes skyrocketed.

 

As the HG series they were still under development by the time WWII ended, as many other projects. Of course for Italy i considered post war designs for the high tiers since, during the war, we hadn't any jet.



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aGentleTanker #6 Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:09 AM

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Very nice!

beside the bmp screenshot of xls attachment...

 

I enjoyed in il 1942 to play the  Macchi C.200

and i would be also very curious to play with SM.79 or  M.C. 202



Deamon93 #7 Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:22 AM

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View PostaGentleTanker, on 11 March 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

Very nice!

beside the bmp screenshot of xls attachment...

 

I enjoyed in il 1942 to play the  Macchi C.200

and i would be also very curious to play with SM.79 or  M.C. 202


Well i made a screen of my Excel file i'm working on. I know it's not the best looking ever but it's easy to edit, since i'm not good at image editing.

 

As the Italian planes are concerned i don't think we will see the SM 79 around, at least not until the bomber escort mode shows up. Both Macchis will show up eventually although i still have to finish their particular branch



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aGentleTanker #8 Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:26 AM

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I think the Sm 79 could be a heavy fighter which would be played more in bomber role. I mean the Fw57 is also quite big...

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View PostaGentleTanker, on 11 March 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

I think the Sm 79 could be a heavy fighter which would be played more in bomber role. I mean the Fw57 is also quite big...

It never had an armament worth of notice. Moreover the SM 79 is more similar to the He 111 rather than the FW 57. Both the SM 79 and the He 111 were passenger planes at the start and then got modified to be bombers.


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Seargent_Ace #10 Posted 11 March 2014 - 01:17 PM

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first it has to be balanced better before adding another Tree.

 

Also see in forum other Techtree posts, like Yugoslavija  or France


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No Re 2007 ;_;

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View PostSeargent_Ace, on 11 March 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

first it has to be balanced better before adding another Tree.

 

Also see in forum other Techtree posts, like Yugoslavija  or France


That's for sure, i think that WG would focus on adding more branches in the tech trees currently available(or at least i hope so).

 

As the other tech trees are concerned i looked at them but to build the tech tree i used the German primarily due to technical(they share parts) and historical(Italian and Germans fought together since the Spanish Civil War) reasons.

 

View PostPrimarch_Victus, on 11 March 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

No Re 2007 ;_;


It was an invention of a journalist. Do you really think that Italy on 1943 had a fighter jet even more advanced than the Germans? It can't be real, otherwise the Luftwaffe, which had interest on many Italian planes, would have built it instead of the 262.



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AnuSuaraj #13 Posted 11 March 2014 - 05:26 PM

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To be honest, I don't think the Italian tech tree has really that much to offer.

 

It's like the fabled MiG tree, weak and full of holes.


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Grolim #14 Posted 11 March 2014 - 05:33 PM

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I think the Italian tree has lots to offer although it is lacking in high tiers. Lets hope Wargamings historians, or someone else, are able to find good candidates to fill out the holes. Personally there are several planes I am looking forward to.

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View PostAnuSuaraj, on 11 March 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

To be honest, I don't think the Italian tech tree has really that much to offer.

 

It's like the fabled MiG tree, weak and full of holes.

I may say that i disagree. Some planes weren't top dog, agreed, but there are some which owned the counterparts, either in operation or in tests.

 

As weak are concerned tell to the CR32 that it's weak, just to name probably the most "OP" plane in the tech tree.

 

View PostGrolim, on 11 March 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

I think the Italian tree has lots to offer although it is lacking in high tiers. Lets hope Wargamings historians, or someone else, are able to find good candidates to fill out the holes. Personally there are several planes I am looking forward to.


I hope to fill as many holes as possible. As for now i will focus again on fighters, hoping to find the missing planes without using fakes. At least personally i'm not fond of that idea, i don't know how WG would act though. Probably they would solve the problem adding fakes like the Re.2007 and Re.2008(for example)



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View PostDeamon93, on 11 March 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

It was an invention of a journalist. Do you really think that Italy on 1943 had a fighter jet even more advanced than the Germans? It can't be real, otherwise the Luftwaffe, which had interest on many Italian planes, would have built it instead of the 262.

 

Heh. Turns out you are right. Trusting Wiki is a bad idea, especially if it's the German one.



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Oh yeah, I'm sure WG's "historians" will find suitable designs drawn up on someone's napkin back in the forties.

 

As for the CR.32, that's a biplane Daemon, meaning tier 3 at the most. And nobody really cares about those low tiers.

 

Italian higher tiers are a bit weak in the firepower department. For example, your tier 6, the MC.202 has historical setup of 2x7,7mm and 2x12,7mm which would be weak firepower for tier 5. Your tier 7, MC.205, besides having tier 6 performance, has firepower that would be average-ish on tier 6.

 

So WG would have two choices: put 202 on tier 5 and 205 on tier 6. Or change them into fantasy planes. You also seem to be missing a lot of tier 8/9 and 10s.


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View PostAnuSuaraj, on 11 March 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

Oh yeah, I'm sure WG's "historians" will find suitable designs drawn up on someone's napkin back in the forties.

 

As for the CR.32, that's a biplane Daemon, meaning tier 3 at the most. And nobody really cares about those low tiers.

 

Italian higher tiers are a bit weak in the firepower department. For example, your tier 6, the MC.202 has historical setup of 2x7,7mm and 2x12,7mm which would be weak firepower for tier 5. Your tier 7, MC.205, besides having tier 6 performance, has firepower that would be average-ish on tier 6.

 

So WG would have two choices: put 202 on tier 5 and 205 on tier 6. Or change them into fantasy planes. You also seem to be missing a lot of tier 8/9 and 10s.

Well the CR32 it's II. In any case for high tiers there's the G.56, the first fighter with the DB 603 engine. It was asked by Germans, tested at Reichlin and after the tests sent into production. Unfortunately the industries were destroyed in 1944 and only a prototype survived the war. Moreover Kurt Tank studied it and its predecessor, the G.55. These two are at tier VII and VIII, i guess high enough to be interesting

 

As planes are concerned don't worry, i chose to place where they are for many reasons which are pretty historical:

1)The MC 202 was tested with the DB 601E engine and a pair of 20 mm cannons(two different airframes). Neither one entered mass production due to the MC 205.

3)The MC 205 was tested against the 109G and the FW 190A5 and held its own against both, especially at "low" altitude(below 6000 metres or something like that, i don't recall exactly). Moreover the engine is the same of the 109G and, armament wise, it's better if you don't consider the gun pods.

4)I know i'm missing high tier planes, that's why i said it's still a work in progress. I haven't rushed anything simply because it don't have to finish it anytime soon

 

View PostPrimarch_Victus, on 11 March 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

 

Heh. Turns out you are right. Trusting Wiki is a bad idea, especially if it's the German one.


Don't worry, it's not that known outside Italy the fact that it's a post war fake


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View PostDeamon93, on 11 March 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

Well i made a screen of my Excel file i'm working on. I know it's not the best looking ever but it's easy to edit, since i'm not good at image editing.

If you have some programming background (or anything related to working with not WYSIWYG), you could find graphviz dot tool useful: http://www.graphviz.org/



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View Postjakub_czyli_ja, on 12 March 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

If you have some programming background (or anything related to working with not WYSIWYG), you could find graphviz dot tool useful: http://www.graphviz.org/


I'll check it out, thanks!



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