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[lorddark987]

 

Hi all!

This post is born from an idea of different players (especially modeler) about the Italian aircraft. The aim of this post is to understand why there are not Italian aircraft.

In the last few Years people such as J311yFish suggest the introduction of Italian Fighting planes on the EU forum and on the NA forum describing them and creating a possible tech tree. The following figure represents a tech tree hypothesis developed in the 2014 by J311yFish.

 

 

What should be noted is that Italian AirForce (IAF) “Regia Aereonautica” was one of the Airforce of the Axis (with Germany and Japan) during the second world war. It was created in 1923 by the King Vittorio Emanuele. During the second world conflict the Italian Air Force fighter especially in Etiopia and Spain. 

According to several Historical authors IAF was one of the most competitive of the world in that period. Thanks to good factory and skilled engineers the IAF had planes that offered superlative maneuverability and extremely good diving characteristics.  

For example the Macchi 205 “Veltro” in combat operations proved to be able to compete with the enemy aircraft destroying several enemy bombers and fighter planes facing smoothly as the North American P-51D Mustang, Curtiss P-40 and the Spitfire V. For these reasons the Luftwaffe decided to use a number of these aircraft for equip its own Gruppe. The C.205 was able to match the best Allied opponents in speed and maneuverability, it was introduced late in the conflict. Capt. Erik Brown Chief Naval Test Pilot and C.O. Captured Enemy Aircraft Flight, remembered how they were impressed when they tested the Veltro. “One of the finest aircraft I ever flew was the Macchi MC. 205. Oh, beautiful. And here you had the perfect combination of Italian styling and German engineering. I believe it was powered by a Daimler Benz DB 605. It was really a delight to fly, and up to anything on the Allied programme. But again, it came just before the Italians capitulated so it was never used extensively. And we did tests on it and were most impressed. The cockpit was smallish but not as bad as the Bf 109.”

 

According many historical sources, Italian planes was strong and extensively used during WWII by the axis force.

 

So people, do you think that you should use this if mom wargaming will introduce it in game? 

Edited by lorddark987, 03 October 2016 - 12:00 PM.

[J311yfish]

That image represents a combination of work done in the past by Demon93IT, Raptor_Fulcrum, and others.  It needs work.  With IJA aircraft now officially in-game, some lateral inferences can be made about the proper placement of Italian aircraft at each tier.  The treatment also of the IJA, in which Nakajima and Kawasaki competed for contracts, implies also that the Italian fighters might be combined in some way.  There is also the larger puzzle of opposition by Hawker, Fairey, and France.  Despite these challenges, I think that it is possible to make great strides from that early version to make something exciting for Italy.  The Reggiane Re.2005 Sagittario for example is often claimed (by both sides) to be one of the most beautiful fighters of the war.  The streamlining of the Aerfer Sagittario 2 continues that trend and makes the MiG-9 look like a shoebox!

[LoScatto78]

Maybe,I do not expectany thing butthe most fear some planes Axis forces had.Let us remember that Hitler personally called our Macchi for hisLuftwaffe....

Edited by LoScatto78, 05 October 2016 - 09:04 PM.

[MisterWolf_]

I agree your vision. Wargamming is now introducing, in small steps, the French tech tree and then, only to miss Italian tech tree to play in the game the realy deployments of time.

Edited by MisterWolf_R1, 04 October 2016 - 10:38 AM.

[lorddark987]

maybe this should be the time to try to introduce some "premium" and not premium italian Planes... 

[Marcowob]

Yes, it's finally time to introduce the Italian aircraft. Thank you!!

[summertime]

Hi fellows!

I just voted PRO the italian tech-tree! Considering the initial historic intention of the game (old warplanes from the 30ies to the 50ies) an italien tech tree to me is unthinkable to be missing! Italian planes were recordsetting in speed during the 30ies (Schneider-trophy!), and the historic techtree is MORE than complete, at least as good as a french one, and no question more appropriate than i.e. a chinese one, although it is of course easier to enter already existing planes with new painting, i must admit!

So again, I would be very interested and also willing to spend some real life money in buying italian beauties like Fiat CR.32 Falco, or IMAM Ro-32, which were also in use with the Austrian Air Force (I am from Austria) in the late 30ies, or in Sweden and other european states! So, Wargaming, GO AHEAD, make my day and put italian planes into virtual life!

Ciao, piloti italiani!

[omarlaura]

It's spaghetti time!!!

[omarlaura]

Italiani airplanes in the 2WW are always respected both by the allies ehi by their opponent, the proof is Thatcher some model the German themselves were to order production!

[jakub_czyli_ja]

And everything ends at the point where WG beancounters check numbers - how many money leave in game players from given country, and how could that grow up if that country would get own tree.

[Greyshark]

Of course I'd like to see italian airplanes in game, especially Macchi MC.202 Folgore.

Small correction to your post:

 

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 During the second world conflict the Italian Air Force fighter especially in Etiopia and Spain. 

 

Wars in Ethiopia (1936-37) and Spain (1936) are not part of Second World War.

[lorddark987]

Yeah it is true! I made a mistake! Thank you!

[Enook]

Of course I'd like to see italian airplanes and play with them.

[Mystique_X]

Greyshark, on 05 October 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

Of course I'd like to see italian airplanes in game, especially Macchi MC.202 Folgore.

Small correction to your post:

 

 

Wars in Ethiopia (1936-37) and Spain (1936) are not part of Second World War.

 

who said that WoWP belongs to WW2 only???

[Greyshark]

Mystique_X, on 05 October 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

 

who said that WoWP belongs to WW2 only???

 

Nobody said so, why?

[Little_Bad_Butcher]

...i like Spaghetti and Carbonara, love Vespa Scooters and now.....come on WG, give us Italian Planes.....this game need a little bit of Italian Design!

[EDDiBANDiTOO]

Of course there are some more important "road constructions" needed , but of course i am interested in an italian warplane line and i would imediatly join in if they are available.

[Grolim]

To be correct there is an Italian plane in the game:

[_desafio_]

Si pero seria mejor arreglar el server, porque esto falla mas que una escopetilla de feria

 

[reptylredux]

Hi, this is my first post ever on WOWP... yay...

 

Yes I would try the Italian planes, certainly. Especially given the rich (and relatively unknown) history. Add another to axis I say!