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If wargaming introduce Italian tech tree, you will buy new planes?

  1. Yes, i would buy Italian Planes (126 votes [94.03%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 94.03%

  2. No, i don't like italian planes (3 votes [2.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.24%

  3. Maybe, it depends by the planes type (5 votes [3.73%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.73%

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GonerNL #41 Posted 14 October 2019 - 02:14 PM

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Just saw this in the 'questions for the developers' thread on CIS forum, post by Grenoli  :

 

View messageSlavomir26 (Oct 11, 2019 - 12:54) wrote:

Hello dear developers! There is such a question - is it possible for a full-fledged branch of Italian fighters to appear in the game?

Greetings. No, the appearance of Italian aircraft in the game is very unlikely. 


Edited by GonerNL, 14 October 2019 - 02:18 PM.


levlos #42 Posted 14 October 2019 - 03:52 PM

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Hey guys !

 

The reason we will not see italian planes is that there are not enough Italians around with a VISA card ready to melt :)
Also, it might be the "looser" syndrome that plagues the minor participants of WW2 (check the "French" general idiotic WW2 memes), who were not able to make it to the 1945 deadline (pun intended) without being absorbed by their stronger or more manic brethren.

 

I design wargames for a living: selling games with Italians is harder -there are no bloody svastikas around to get people motivated. if Captain Corelli' wielded a flamethrower instead of a mandolin, ate babies, secretely worshipped Satan and had built a flying saucer to escape to the dark side of the Moon, we surely would have the beautiful Italian Planes to play with. Alas, the italians were just guys like you and me, poorly led, and were crappy hero material.

 

So, no fun for you, as Claus says !! :)

 

PS: not that there are tons of beautiful and unique designs to work with, nononono. Anybody here a fan of Italian camouflages ?


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GonerNL #43 Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:51 PM

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View Postlevlos, on 14 October 2019 - 05:52 PM, said:

The reason we will not see italian planes is that there are not enough Italians around with a VISA card ready to melt

 

You mean, unlike the thousands of Poles, Czechs, Cinese etc, who have cards and pay WG for planes ??

Sure ... that must be it.

 

I wonder what moves them to invent all these pathetic paper planes instead of putting in some real planes that actually flew and fought.



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View PostGonerNL, on 14 October 2019 - 05:51 PM, said:

 

You mean, unlike the thousands of Poles, Czechs, Cinese etc, who have cards and pay WG for planes ??

Sure ... that must be it.[...]

 

Its a different thing making just one plane and whole new tech trees -do you doubt that wargaming is income motivated ? I mean, they did one polish plane, a handful of French (premium, all, mind you), and the rest are reskins.

If the Chinese had a more substantial airforce in the time-frame we are dealing with, be sure they would have a tree, just like the sorry excuse for a tree in WoT. I am sure you are very well aware of all this anyhow.

 

Paper planes are sexy, and they can be introduced one-by-one. You will notice that the most paper planes are either German (people just love those wonky pieces of German uber-engineering) and Soviet (for reasons still mysterious to me, hehe).
I doubt thousands of poles have paid to play the tier III aircraft. If they had made a PZL P.11 or P.24, might have been better, or a P-23 Karras, perhaps. No, not even , let's be realistic.

I also doubt So many Czechs have either. For the French, well, perhaps ? In any event, we are talking about less planes than I have kids.

 

 I will paraphrase Atahualpa Yupanqui:
 

"Does wargaming care about his client base ?

Sometimes Yes, sometimes No,

But what is sure,
is that it is eating at the table of the bosses"

 

(¿Que Dios vela por los pobres?

Talvez sí, y talvez no.
Pero es seguro que almuerza
en la mesa del patrón.)


... meaning Wargaming has to make profit, so it prioritizes accordingly. It certainly is not wrong, they have to pay people and all that. Plus they make the game free for most of us to play. So... I am glad anyhow !!!

I certainly will miss the Veltro, centauro and Sagittario but well... Wish the game was so succesful as to have a larger playerbase... sigh.

 

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Frateras #45 Posted 14 October 2019 - 07:02 PM

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They have implemented an Italien tech tree in WoT and probably they will introduce some Italian planes in the European one. But ist lost of work and money for a small player base.

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GonerNL #46 Posted 26 November 2019 - 10:19 AM

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View PostFrateras, on 14 October 2019 - 08:02 PM, said:

probably they will introduce some Italian planes in the European one.

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but Grenoli (dev on the CIS forum) said recently : No, the appearance of Italian aircraft in the game is very unlikely. 



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The Chinese have the Ba.27. Technically Italian.:trollface: 

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Renwor #48 Posted 27 November 2019 - 07:13 AM

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Well, it would be interesting to know an amount of income from say, Poland, or Czechs vs. Italy.   My guess would be us central europeans may not be wealthy westerners, but, we do appreciate our planes. 

Not many czechs bought their premium would be my guess, because it was in a moment given out as reward plane (though the premium version is 20mm better :) )

 

Still, I think main reason we will not get italian planes is, they (WG) cannot find a performance niche for them. In principle they should be either low altitude (M.C.200 , Reggiane 2000 etc.) or when german engined up (Veltro, Saggitario ) mid/high altitude light highly manouvreable lightly (relatively) armed planes. Where they should be squeezed between Yaks/Spitfires/Nakajimas ?

At low tiers it would be twin 12,7mm armed Hurricanes? At higher tiers Spitfire/Messer hybrid?  Not enough space for them IMHO.

We are still missing F6F Hellcat, iconic plane by any measure. Why? Well, who needs slower Thunderbolt/Corsair hybrid?  No way how to appreciate sturdines and reliability in game.

Unfortunately I believe this is true for mostly any new branch - not enough performance space, so I believe we will maybe see just premium singles, outliers. Skyraider/Wyvern?  Skyhawk :hiding:  (just my wish list)



 


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Italian planes why not?

Easy, because there are no Italian planes in the game yet...

I ask instead:

why not come up with a french tree, as there are already French premium planes in the game

 

 


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View Post0berhessen, on 27 November 2019 - 09:37 AM, said:

Italian planes why not?

Easy, because there are no Italian planes in the game yet...

I ask instead:

why not come up with a french tree, as there are already French premium planes in the game

 

+1.

==> there are also French players ... :)

 

And the French forum is ... not alive anymore :( 



GonerNL #51 Posted 28 November 2019 - 08:25 AM

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In that case, being Dutch ; I would like to have some Fokkers in the game. Planes that actually flew and fought in May '40 unlike other Euro planes that never got past the prototype phase.

 



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i want a HESSEN techtree - we are famous for gliders !
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elias_the_great #53 Posted 28 November 2019 - 03:37 PM

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With the introduction of the European tree, the odds of us seeing a French line is now, non existent...But that opens countless possibilities for a European tech tree...and with the immagination the WG team has, we could be seing many neat looking and rare planes with many, different markings (if many nations did own them). As for italian planes, i really want to play with the legendary MC.202 and the MC.205. Another plane i really want to see in the game is the SM.91 heavy fighter...looks like a P38 with two DB 605 engines and 6x20mm cannos plus a 20mm rear gun makes for a deadly tier 7 heavy...its wierd, its rare, its a prototype, so it must be in this game!!

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View Postelias_the_great, on 28 November 2019 - 04:37 PM, said:

But that opens countless possibilities for a European tech tree...and with the immagination the WG team has, we could be seing many neat looking and rare planes with many, different markings (if many nations did own them).

 

This.

 

This rent-an-european-plane might turn out to be the smartest move WG made in a long time. No need for a complicated full tech tree. Just pick the most iconic planes from Europe, from any period, and slap it as a rent-a-thingy. Just might be brilliant.

 

Macchis you mentioned, Dewoitine, Tunnan... endless.

 

 


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View Postzen_monk_, on 29 November 2019 - 12:16 AM, said:

... endless.

 

 

Endless and exiting...they are no mustangs and messerchmits,but they are sure to be neat 



GonerNL #56 Posted 02 December 2019 - 02:05 PM

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I'd rather see it the other way around ; that you can use UK or US planes and for instance fly them in Netherlands AF markings/colors !! We flew a lot of allied planes both in and after WWII, but there is not a single plane with Dutch markings :(

(apart from one plane, but that paintjob is offensive and historically incorrect)


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