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_Poe #1 Posted 26 April 2017 - 07:32 AM

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Post edited 27.4.2017.g.

 

Me 109 K-14

 

After the end of ww 2, in late 1945 and first half of 1946, Americans allowed  for  "West Germany" (it was not jet West Germany but under western allies ocupation)  to form 100 fighters strong force based on scrapped  Me 109 K-4/6 models.

It was an idea that ended  probabaly by decision of the  Allied Control Comission in  August 1946,  by this decision forming of this force would be ilegal as the Luftwaffe was forbidden.

 

Plane was  powered by the two-stage supercharged DB 605 L engine (2000+ h.p.)using a four-bladed propeller.

 

760 km/h  at optimal altitude.

 

Armament  have been same as K-6 model : 2 x 13 mm MG 131 above the engine, along with a 30 mm MK 108 trough the shaft  and  30 mm MK 108 in each wing. Alternatively, the wing MK 108s could be substituted by 20 mm MG 151/20.

 

In my eyes it would be one of the coolest premium planes ever released in this game (look post-war German Luftwaffe markings on this model kit though note they are a fiction).

 

Of course this one should be tier VIII.

 

 

 

​EDIT_Please read this post in a link to. After a heated debate I relized I made some not  neccessay (polithical- post war) elemnts in this proposal which have nothing to do with real Me-109  K 14 which was real great historic plane, an far end of development of Me-109  which should be in this game as premium planehttp://forum.worldofwarplanes.eu/index.php?/topic/47805-me-109-k-14-premium-plane-proposal/page__st__40__pid__527188#entry527188


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How long before Poe realizes that noone at Persha is reading these forums and that it's completely pointless to give any suggestions or feedback? Any bets? :trollface:

Jahrakajin #3 Posted 26 April 2017 - 12:02 PM

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Well, actually I can prove you wrong about the no one reading the Forums part :)

Part of our tasks here is following what you guys are commenting and if we see a higher interest we do forward ideas to our superiors (who then look into it and see if they can forward it to the developers). It just sometimes happen that we aren't vocal about it, understand that we are "lurking" around.

Regarding the plane. Interesting, haven't heard of it so far, you learn something new everyday
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View Post_Poe, on 26 April 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

Me 109 K-14

 

After the end of ww 2, in 1946, Americans allowed  for  "West Germany" (it was not jet West Germany but under western allies ocupation)  to form 100 fighters strong force based on scrapped  Me 109 K-4/6 models.

 

It was  powered by the two-stage supercharged DB 603 L/M engine (2450 h.p.) using a four-bladed propeller.

 

760 km/h  at optimal altitude.

 

Armament  have been same as K-6 model : 2 x 13 mm MG 131 above the engine, along with a 30 mm MK 108 trough the shaft  and  30 mm MK 108 in each wing. Alternatively, the wing MK 108s could be substituted by 20 mm MG 151/20.

 

Due to need of stadardisation and other reasons, this nucleus of newly forming West German Luftwaffe was soon equipped with Mustangs .

 

In my eyes it would be one of the coolest premium planes ever released in this game (look post-war German Luftwaffe markings on this model kit).

 

Of course this one should be tier VIII.

 

 

Cmon, this is pure fiction.

And its bad, unrealistic fiction.

 

-Americans never allowed West Germany an Air Force or fighters before 1955.

-Americans never could allowed this without the allies.

-German's wasnt allowed to fly til the 50's, also civil. All civil "Lufthansa" pilots till 1955 must been americans...

-Me 109 had never a DB 603 Engine.

-DB 603 Engines with near 2500 hp were only prototypes, they would never be ready with more development. But german industry 1946 was deactivated.

-the Me 109 K-14 really exists, she had a DB 605L Engine, not a DB 603.

-also the signs are unrealistic. Special the Squadron sign. Jagdgeschwader Richthofen was commissioned 1959, impossible to have the signs and camouflage before.

-the german flag: Black, Red, Gold, was reintroduced 1949. Impossible to have this flag on a plane 1946.

 

Whenever u read something like Luftwaffe and 1946 its complete bullshit.

 

 

@Jahrakajin   u havnt heard of it because not one word is true about this plane. There is a dutch modeler. He creates fictional "What-If "modelplanes. And he wrotes a fictional history for this planes. Also here.

So u dont really learnt something new this day. Maybe tomorrow...


Edited by ElDefunes, 26 April 2017 - 12:43 PM.


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View PostElDefunes, on 26 April 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

 

Cmon, this is pure fiction.

-Americans never allowed West Germany an Air Force or fighters before 1955.

-Americans never could allowed this without the allies.

-German's wasnt allowed to fly til 1955, also civil. All civil "Lufthansa" pilots till 1955 must be americans...

-Me 109 had never a DB 603 Engine.

-DB 603 Engines with near 2500 hp were only prototypes, they would never be ready with more developent. But german industry 1946 was deactivated.

-the Me 109 K-14 really exists, she had a DB 605L Engine, not a DB 603.

-also the signs are unrealistic. Jagdgeschwader Richthofen was commissioned 1959, impossible to have the signs and camouflage before.

 

Whenever u read something like Luftwaffe and 1946 ist complete bullshit.

 

As a military aviation  geek from my childhood today  I believe the K-14 did exist, it is a plane shrouded with mistery to some extent,

 

However, after a years of reserach of just few person in entire world( yes) the conclusion is that  two  Me 109- K 14 were  built and delivered to Major Wilhelm Batz's Gruppernstab II/JG52 in April 1945 just before gruppe surrendered.

The speciffication of planes was as said in OP.

 

One K-14 crashed outside of the city Gieslingenthen. The other one is a mystery.

 

Origin of the K-14 comes from William Green's "Warplanes of the Third Reich" from 1970. Reviews of this book indicate that Green had a chance to interview participants.Second reference is The Bf109 Gallery by Tom Hitchcock in 1972.

​Both source s have been refuted by some historians but I believe they were genuine.

 

In this table that is considered genuine is the order of command of the Luftwaffe on the last days of ww2 (april 9, 1945), please note little red line I added.

 

 

The importtant element in this story is also polithical one.

 

By the mid 1946 Americans realized the treat of  Russian overwhelming disparity in military strenghth in Europe and in fact wanted ( with the protest of French and British side!) to form a fighter force of around 100 planes on their disposal, of the most advanced available type, K-14 and mobilize survived battle hardened German experienced pilots . Of course this was unprecedented  strategic , military and polithical move that was in violation with allied agreements (Allied Control Comission in  August 1946​)  and it is understandable entire idea has been shrouded in mystery, or better to say put under the shroud.

 

I thing this plane will be real jewell if "recreated" by the Developer in this game again .

 

This game revives history and even some "what iffs" so why not give a life to this part of history again with just a little drop of imagination?
 

 


Edited by _Poe, 27 April 2017 - 09:59 PM.


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View Post_Poe, on 26 April 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

 

As a decades long military aviation  geek I believe The K-14 did exist, it is a plane shrouded with mistery to some extent,

 

However, after a years of reserach of just few person in entire world( yes) the conclusion is that  two  Me 109- K 14 were  built and delivered to Major Wilhelm Batz's Gruppernstab II/JG52 in April 1945 just before gruppe surrendered.

The speciffication of planes was as said in OP.

 

One K-14 crashed outside of the city Gieslingenthen. The other one is a mystery.

 

Origin of the K-14 comes from William Green's "Warplanes of the Third Reich" from 1970. Reviews of this book indicate that Green had a chance to interview participants.Second reference is The Bf109 Gallery by Tom Hitchcock in 1972.

​Both source s have been refuted by some historians but I believe they were genuine.

 

In this table that is considered genuine is the order of command of the Luftwaffe on the last days of ww2 (april 9, 1945), please note little red line I added.

 

 

The third element is polithical one. According to rare sources in mid 1946 Americans relaized the treat of  Russian overwhelming disparity in military stranghth in Europe and in fact wanted ( with the protest of French and British side!) to form a fighter force of around 100 planes on their disposal, of the most advanced available type, K-14 and use survived battle hardened German experienced pilots . Of course this was unprecedented  strategic , military and polithical move that even was in violation with allied agreements and it is understandable entire idea has been shrouded in mystery, or better to say put under the shroud.

 

I thing this plane will be real jewel if "recreated" by the Developer in this game again .

 

This game revives history and even some "what iffs" so why not give a life to this part of histrory again with just a little drop of imagination?
 

 

 

I wrote the K-14 really exits. :rolleyes: But ist was an other plane. With DB 605L Engine, not DB 603.

Read my complete post, i showed u the proofs why your story cant be.

 

This plane is complete fiction of  a modeler named Tom, like hundred of other fictional planes he built.

So Wargaming will never bring this 100% fictional plane.


Edited by ElDefunes, 26 April 2017 - 12:58 PM.


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View PostElDefunes, on 26 April 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

 

I wrote the K-14 really exits. :rolleyes: But ist was an other plane. With DB 605L Engine, not DB 603.

Read my complete post, i showed u the proofs why your story cant be.

 

This plane is complete fiction of  a modeler named Tom, like hundred of other fictional planes he built.

So Wargaming will never bring this 100% fictional plane.

 

The plane was supposed to have  engine by the disgnation:

  • DB 605 L
  • two-stage supercharger, rated altitude of 10.5 km, C3 fuel
Power (take-off): (2000+ hp. )...some sources claim 2450 PS (2416 hp, 1801 kW) at 3000 rpm at sea level
Combat power: 2100 PS (2071 hp, 1544 kW) at 2700 rpm at sea level
 
This engine existed, it was experimental.
 
Are you absolutely sure every plane in this game has only operational engines or some of them have experimental engines or in fact we have experimental models of planes in entirety?
Of arround the 50th K-4 built, one experimental-fighting  wing was developed that contained planes that are even not recorded.
 
Did you know, just as an example,  that Mitsubishi zero with 30 mm canons we love in game ( A6M3 experimental) a prototype showed to be to weak, its fuselage was breaking because of 30 mm canon recoil, jet we have it in the game despite been impossible to  fight.. Why aren't you jail on developer?
 
I would like to encourage you to rethink about your agument again and  about your motivation for your  subverisive position.
 
K -14 existed,  engine existed., the factor of been "unique" exists, so by my opinion  criteria for Me 109 K-14 in its strongest exp. variant to be recreated in this great game as a Premium plane are met in entirety.
 
Spice factor will be out of the chart.

Edited by _Poe, 26 April 2017 - 02:39 PM.


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View Post_Poe, on 26 April 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

 

I would like to encourage you to rethink about your agument again and  about your motivation for this subverisive position.
 
K -14 existed.  ​ engine existed.

 

But ur complete story about this plane is a fictional lie.

And u believed it.  And more important you tell it to other people. Thats the problem.

Oh lord...

 

If u try to get this planes, u shouldnt use a big lie like this "1946 West German Air Force" story. Something what never could happens.



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View PostElDefunes, on 26 April 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

 

But ur complete story about this plane is a fictional lie.

And u believed it.  And more important you tell it to other people. Thats the problem.

Oh lord...

 

If u try to get this planes, u shouldnt use a big lie like this "1946 West German Air Force" story. Something what never could happens.

 

Yes I believe in story of Americans wanted to use battle hardened German pilots sitting at home as a military asset in case of clash with USSR. We know that by recorded protest of other 2 western allies (French and Brits). Americans wanted also a some ground forces to be reformed.

​Many things happened that are not included in canon we call history.

 

I told this story to see will it be cool to make non-nazi Me 109-K that is the only difference, a "story" to make some transition of German planes in this game  to postwar period.( just like we have post-war West Germany tanks in WoT)

 

2 of the  Me K-14 were however delivered definitely during last days of war. Ok If you don't want to see postwar german " fictional" story of  K-14,  let them  be War (exp.) models.

 

It seem you have problem with me, not with the plane, Ok, forget me , here is the plane.

 

I did made one mistake though I admit-- double supercharged engine was DB 605 L as you said  not 603 L/M though their history of development was linked( DB 603 double supercharged developemnt ended in 1944 but the experience and advanced staged supercharge method was used for 605 L )

 

CONSENSUS (below)

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Some sources point to limited use of the K-14, intended as high-altitude heavy fighter. Two airframes are listed as delivered to II./JG52 under Major Wilhelm Batz in late spring of 1945, these being armed with only one 30 mm (1.18 in) cannon, but the type's existence cannot be positively confirmed. The K-14 was to be powered by the two-stage supercharged DB 605L engine, using a four-bladed propeller. 760 km/h (470 mph), and an operational altitude of 12,000 m (39,000 ft) was projected. Armour and armament were otherwise similar to the K-6.[110]https://en.wikipedia...Bf_109_variants

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View PostOraoZoveKondora, on 26 April 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

well in that case check this:

http://www.luft46.co...sc/sackas6.html

 

uhhh this is so ugly

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View PostOraoZoveKondora, on 26 April 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

well in that case check this:

http://www.luft46.co...sc/sackas6.html

 

View Postno_wing, on 27 April 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

 

uhhh this is so ugly

 

So, its a German Pancake 10 years  before  US Pancake.

 

As the Americans would say:" If you want smart ( and in this case ugly ),  ask a German" .

 

 

Serriously,  I personally believe aesthetics is also important factor in the game.

 

Thus Me 109 K-14, yes people already piloted it in one old game.(me to).

 

K-14 would be great addition to  this game  , without a shadow of a doubt.

 

 

 


Edited by _Poe, 27 April 2017 - 12:58 AM.


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View Post_Poe, on 26 April 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

It seem you have problem with me, not with the plane, Ok, forget me , here is the plane.

 

Lol, i have a problem if people tell something 100% fictional would be historical, thats all.

I believe to get this plane (Me109/DB603) u choose the wrong way with ur fariy tale of german '46 post war fighters.

 

View Post_Poe, on 26 April 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

I did made one mistake though I admit-- double supercharged engine was DB 605 L as you said  not 603 L/M though their history of development was linked( DB 603 double supercharged developemnt ended in 1944 but the experience and advanced staged supercharge method was used for 605 L )

 

Problem is DB 605L means only 1700 HP. And there is allready a K-Frame with 2000 HP DB 605ASC Engine on Tier 7.

The DB 605L wasnt the most powerful 605, he was a high-altitude engine.

German engineers never put a DB 603 in a Me 109 Frame cause the 603 was longer than 605. And Me 109 was a very small plane.

The DB 603 was primary a Bomber-Engine.

Only the larger Fw 190/Ta 152 was big enough to use the DB 603 without redesign of the frame.

 

That means a Premium Me 109 with DB 605L is useless. And on Tier 8 it would be a complete nonsense, because there is already a 2000HP Version on Tier 7.

Me 109 with DB 603 would mean a rework of Me 109 Frame. Could looking ugly.

Fictional, but possible.

 

Maybe u find some ideas from Fiat G.55. Italians tried to replace the DB 605 with the DB 603 and called the plane Fiat G.56.

But Me 109 K-14 will ever keep a Me 109 with DB 605L. never with DB 603.

 

U could try to sell Wargaming the idea of a Me 109 with DB 603 called... whatever...  maybe K-18.

More realistic would be something like Me 109 L oder Me 109 M, cause RLM would ever rename a product-series if an other engine come to use.

 

 

And i really like your two diorama pictures of a Me 109 K-14 Modelkit with DB 605L. But the only difference to a Me 109 K-4 is the supercharger intake and the four blade propeller. 

Me 109 with DB 603 would looking more different on cowl section cause the different large of both engines.

Maybe one day a crazy modeler will try to but the larger DB 603 in this plane. Want to know how its look like.

 

 


Edited by ElDefunes, 27 April 2017 - 10:50 AM.


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View PostElDefunes, on 27 April 2017 - 10:39 AM, said:

And i like your two diorama pictures of a Me 109 K-14 Modelkit with DB 605L. But the only difference to a Me 109 K-4 is the supercharger intake and the four blade propeller. 

Maybe one day a crazy modeler will try to but the larger DB 603 in this plane. Want to know how its look like.

Bigger engine would require fuselage lenghtening to keep the mass balance, as it was done with Fw 190 D, and probably increasing wing surface to bring load down, and then maybe a change of direction og landing gear to be retracting inward.

And finally you'll get something that looks like tier VIII Me 209 A from WoWP.


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View PostElDefunes, on 27 April 2017 - 10:39 AM, said:

 

Lol, i have a problem if people tell something 100% fictional would be historical, thats all.

I believe to get this plane (Me109/DB603) u choose the wrong way with ur fariy tale of german '46 post war fighters.

 

 

Problem is DB 605L means only 1700 HP. And there is allready a K-Frame with 2000 HP DB 605ASC Engine on Tier 7.

The DB 605L wasnt the most powerful 605, he was a high-altitude engine.

German engineers never put a DB 603 in a Me 109 Frame cause the 603 was longer than 605. And Me 109 was a very small plane.

The DB 603 was primary a Bomber-Engine.

Only the larger Fw 190/Ta 152 was big enough to use the DB 603 without redesign of the frame.

 

That means a Premium Me 109 with DB 605L is useless. And on Tier 8 it would be a complete nonsense, because there is already a 2000HP Version on Tier 7.

Me 109 with DB 603 would mean a rework of Me 109 Frame. Could looking ugly.

Fictional, but possible.

 

Maybe u find some ideas from Fiat G.55. Italians tried to replace the DB 605 with the DB 603 and called the plane Fiat G.56.

But Me 109 K-14 will ever keep a Me 109 with DB 605L. never with DB 603.

 

U could try to sell Wargaming the idea of a Me 109 with DB 603 called... whatever...  maybe K-18.

More realistic would be something like Me 109 L oder Me 109 M, cause RLM would ever rename a product-series if an other engine come to use.

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for participating in this debate.

 

What plane is this on picture (below), how does it looks to you?.

 

It is in my record the  only genuine picture of true Me 109 K-14 existing , it's  from Tom Hitchcocks book from 1972.

 

Please tell us, what shall we change on this to fit your desire, as this is already not  plane from this game, as it has 4 blade's propeller .

 

Note it is believed to be very likely the same plane documented to be  delivered to  Gruppernstab II/JG52  , as it has no wing guns mounted jet, it was delivered (2 of them) with only  30 mm nose Canon, though soon could  be brought on K-6 armament standard on the airfield due to modular design of all Me 109's.

 

On this pic.  we see 4 bladed propeller and   likely Experimetal DB 605 L double stage suopercharged engine installed.2000+, 2100, or  2450 h.p. depending on source. And if it isn't but only 2000 h.p engine why not imagine it is?

 

I don't know what model kit maker are you invoking to make you see what would 760 km/h  K-14 look alike,   I showed everything historical about the plane, including its photogrtaphy how it should look?

 

I see you are Alpha tester and obviosuly very dedicated member worth of respect,  but indeed must ask you, is it everything ok at you about this matter?

 

 

Me 109 K-14 four bladed propeller delivered to to II./JG52 ​ april 1945. ...760 km/h

 

 

"standard" Me 109 K-4. , 729 km /h


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BTW, my game is still 1.9.9.0. version ? 2 days after 1.9.9.2 patch became live? No response from official stuff.

 

 When we will get this intriguing   La- 9RD plane? I want to buy it but there is no any response what happened to the patch and planes.

 


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View Post_Poe, on 27 April 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

BTW, my game is still 1.9.9.0. version ? 2 days after 1.9.9.2 patch became live? No response from official stuff.

 

 When we will get this intriguing   La- 9RD plane? I want to buy it but there is no any response what happened to the patch and planes.

 

Nothing happened to patch. It was downloaded and installed yesterday. The digit has not changed and still shows .0, probably some minor bug. Who cares really if it's .0 or .2?

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View Post_Poe, on 27 April 2017 - 05:17 PM, said:

 

Thank you for participating in this debate.

 

What plane is this on picture (below), how does it looks to you?.

 

It is in my record the  only genuine picture of true Me 109 K-14 existing , it's  from Tom Hitchcocks book from 1972.

 

 

Genuine picture? :facepalm:

In your record? :rolleyes:

Are you insane? :bajan:

Your posted picture shows a 1:48  modelkit of a modifed Me 109 K-4 from Hasegawa. :D

A Modelkit...  and everyone can see it, except you...

 

You discalificated urself so many times now, nobody can u longer take seriously. :facepalm:

U wrotes only bullshit.

Seems u lives in your own world.

 

View Post_Poe, on 27 April 2017 - 05:17 PM, said:

On this pic.  we see 4 bladed propeller and   likely Experimetal DB 605 L double stage suopercharged engine installed.2000+, 2100, or  2450 h.p. depending on source. And if it isn't but only 2000 h.p engine why not imagine it is?

 

The DB 605L had only 1700 HP.

Its a fact.

He had never more than 1700HP.

The Supercharger gives the DB 605L the same power on 9,5km high like the other DB 605 on 7km high, thats all.

Lol, 2000hp+.  You are so funny.

 

Try to read more than english Wikipedia. Because Wikipedia made a mistake in this case.

Or keep in ur dreamworld.

 

View Post_Poe, on 27 April 2017 - 05:17 PM, said:

 

 

I don't know what model kit maker are you invoking to make you see what would 760 km/h  K-14 look alike,   I showed everything historical about the plane, including its photogrtaphy how it should look?

 

I see you are Alpha tester and obviosuly very dedicated member worth of respect,  but indeed must ask you, is it everything ok at you about this matter?

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

You showed everything historical about the plane? :amazed:

You showed only fictional bullshit of this plane. :facepalm:

You dont knew the horsepower of a DB 605L. :bajan:

You believed black/white filterd pictures of a modelkit were genuine pictures.:facepalm:

And u talked about fictional internet-bullshit it would be true and historical. :rolleyes:

 

And then u ask me its everything ok?  LOL

 

Please try to take a doctor....

Unbelievable.

 

After this show of you. Nobody on Wargaming will only think one second about your idea.

Embarrassing.


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View PostGreyshark, on 27 April 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

 

Nothing happened to patch. It was downloaded and installed yesterday. The digit has not changed and still shows .0, probably some minor bug. Who cares really if it's .0 or .2?

You want it so badly but you didn't even read what's new in this patch?

Please note: Both premium planes are "gift planes," meaning they won't be permanently available in the Premium Shop. They will be available to all players at a later date.

 

​Ah, isee, the patch is in but the number is not changed. OK. Thank you.

_Poe #19 Posted 27 April 2017 - 04:58 PM

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View PostElDefunes, on 27 April 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

 

Genuine picture? :facepalm:

In your record? :rolleyes:

Are you complete insane? :bajan:

Your posted picture shows a 1:48  modelkit of a modifed Me 109 K-4 from Hasegawa. :D

A Modelkit...  and everyone can see it, except you...

 

You discalificated urself so many times now, nobody can u longer take seriously. :facepalm:

U wrotes only bullshit.

Seems u lives in your own world.

 

 

The DB 605L had only 1700 HP.

Its a fact.

He had never more than 1700HP.

The Supercharger gives the DB 605L the same power on 9,5km high like the other DB 605 on 7km high, thats all.

Lol, 2000hp+.  You are so funny.

 

Try to read more than english Wikipedia. Because Wikipedia made a mistake in this case.

Or keep in ur dreamworld.

 

 

You showed everything historical about the plane? :amazed:

You showed only fictional bullshit of this plane. :facepalm:

You dont knew the horsepower of a DB 605L. :bajan:

You believed black/white filterd pictures of a modelkit were genuine pictures.:facepalm:

And u talked about fictional internet-bullshit it would be true and historical. :rolleyes:

 

And then u ask me its everything ok?  LOL

 

Please try to take a doctor....

Unbelievable.

 

After this show of you. Nobody on Wargaming will only think one second about your idea.

Embarrassing.

 

​What plane is this?

 

Me 109 K-14.

 

​What engine is this?

DB 605 L two-stage supercharger, 2000+ PS..https://en.wikipedia...ler-Benz_DB_605
 
-it was advanced derivate of DB 605 D-  Using fluid coupling with the engine, this engine  supercharger could vary boost smoothly over a considerable range.Engine adjustment  were handled automatically by a barometric-based control (difference from contemporary Allied engines). This freed the fighter pilot to concentrate on his opponent.It was a double-stage 3 gears supercharger engine. It have been probabaly most advanced suercharged pistoin engine built at that time.(and long after)
 
 
literature:
1. Ernst Heinrich Hirschel,Horst Prem,Gero Madelung, Aeronautical Research in Germany: From Lilienthal until Today,Springer 2012.

2.Bent, Ralph D. and McKinley, James L., Aircraft Powerplants, 5th Edition, McGraw-Hill, 1985.-

3. Christopher, John, The Race for Hitler’s X-Planes Britain’s 1945 Mission to Capture Secret Luftwaffe Technology, History Press, 2013.

4.Gunston, Bill, Development of Piston Aero Engines, 2nd ed., Haynes Publishing, 2006.

5. Wisniewski, Jason R., Powering the Luftwaffe: German Aero Engines of World War II, FriesenPress, 2013.

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​I am here far shorter time than you, in fact fully activated on this forum just month or 2 ago after been causal player for 2 years.

 

I asked myself what could be wrong with this  game, its such a great game but something is dragging it, something, illusive inertion.

 

Can not undestand  you , this is sad epilogue, you should act as enlightment , not as  the inquisition .

 

But, as Galilleo said : E pur si muove

 

 

 

 


Edited by _Poe, 27 April 2017 - 05:54 PM.


ElDefunes #20 Posted 27 April 2017 - 05:56 PM

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View Post_Poe, on 27 April 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

 

​What plane this is?

 

 

Here is my recently finished 1/48 scale Hasegawa Bf 109K-4, as you can see this K-4 was built as a rare Daimler-Benz DB605L powered 109 complete with the four bladed propeller and larger supercharger intake.

 

So its a Modelkit of a K-4 with scratched propeller.

 

 

View Post_Poe, on 27 April 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

 

What engine is this?

DB 605 L two-stage supercharger, 2000+ PS..https://en.wikipedia...ler-Benz_DB_605
-it was advanced derivate of DB 605 D-  Using fluid coupling with the engine, this engine  supercharger could vary boost smoothly over a considerable range.Engine adjustment  were handled automatically by a barometric-based control (difference from contemporary Allied engines). This freed the fighter pilot to concentrate on his opponent.It was a double-stage 3 gears supercharger engine. It have been probabaly most advanced suercharged pistoin engine built at that time.(and long after)
 
literature:
Bent, Ralph D. and McKinley, James L., Aircraft Powerplants, 5th Edition, McGraw-Hill, 1985.
Christopher, John, The Race for Hitler’s X-Planes Britain’s 1945 Mission to Capture Secret Luftwaffe Technology, History Press, 2013.
Gunston, Bill, Development of Piston Aero Engines, 2nd ed., Haynes Publishing, 2006.
Wisniewski, Jason R., Powering the Luftwaffe: German Aero Engines of World War II, FriesenPress, 2013.

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I wrote to u english Wikipedia entry is completely wrong, why u post the Wikipedia entry?

 

The real horespower is 1700.

 

 

More and more i believe you are not normal...

 


Edited by ElDefunes, 27 April 2017 - 05:59 PM.





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