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_Poe #41 Posted 28 April 2017 - 11:18 PM

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Look this work  , refurbishing some old DB 605. This is Me 109 G4. 2015.
What a majestic plane, look at this beauty.
 
 
Ah, I  almost forgot I have question to answer, where to find DB 605 in 1946.
 
 

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_Poe #42 Posted 28 April 2017 - 11:41 PM

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View Postjakub_czyli_ja, on 28 April 2017 - 07:04 AM, said:

 

Just write, from where Americans should take the DB 605 L engines.

 

 

-REIMAHG Großteutersdorf bei Kahla/ Thüringen (Objekt Lachs)

 

-Reichsautobahntunnel Leonberg (ArGe Gutbrod) in Bavaria
 

-Kaufering I (Weingut II) near Landsberg,


-Mtt GmbH Tirol, Kematen;


-Olympic tunnel Eschenlohe, between Murnau and Garmisch


-Fa. Kopperschmitz u. Söhne, Blumberg/ Baden at the mine of Doggererz AG

 

-Mittelwek, near Kohnstein.

 

-Nordwerke

​-Bergkristall

-B8 Bergkristall underground factory (Austria)

 

-and many other bigger and smaller Underground facilities and  warehouses

 

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Dear ." jakub_czyli_ja"

 

Please understand that you  misunderstood the term "Bombing of Germany to stone age".

It was destruction of majority of German surface industry , of which however about 40% went underground by the end of ww2,

The fact was  almost total destruction of German airfields.

 


*Picture above?

Factory 'Languste' near Mödling.Salt mine.
Assembly line ,  Heinkel - 162

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HuiAk #43 Posted 29 April 2017 - 12:43 AM

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View Post_Poe, on 27 April 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

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And "asking" German engineers to show them know-how in refurbishing developement and production  of in this case  advanced supercharged DB 605 L  engines with over 2000 h.p.. will be also perfectly according to US philosophy of motivating and using German egineering workaround on every field.

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Technically,  this plane, Me 109 K-14 with 760 km/h and over 2000 h.p. engine was reality in  May 1945.(2 recorded), will it be "last Reich's piston fighter" or "first postwar German  fighter" is of course debatable.

 

i can find only the information, that the DB 605L had 1700 PS. every german source of information says it (as far as i have seen). even the german wiki says it:

 

https://de.wikipedia...ler-Benz_DB_605

 

Spoiler

 

...maybe the american knows better... wich engines the german build... 

  

 



jakub_czyli_ja #44 Posted 29 April 2017 - 08:18 AM

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View Post_Poe, on 28 April 2017 - 11:41 PM, said:

 

Dear ." jakub_czyli_ja"

 

Please understand that you  misunderstood the term "Bombing of Germany to stone age".

It was destruction of majority of German surface industry , of which however about 40% went underground by the end of ww2,

The fact was  almost total destruction of German airfields.

So where were underground engine factories? Or power plants?

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View PostHuiAk, on 29 April 2017 - 12:43 AM, said:

 

i can find only the information, that the DB 605L had 1700 PS. every german source of information says it (as far as i have seen). even the german wiki says it:

 

https://de.wikipedia...ler-Benz_DB_605

 

Spoiler

 

...maybe the american knows better... wich engines the german build... 

  

 

 

​literature, literature you have literature I posted.

Edited by _Poe, 29 April 2017 - 08:20 AM.


_Poe #46 Posted 29 April 2017 - 08:23 AM

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View Postjakub_czyli_ja, on 29 April 2017 - 08:18 AM, said:

So where were underground engine factories? Or power plants?

 

​ I listed you  dosen of largest Underground german complexes as example ,  and the fact 40% of German strategic war industry was underground by the 1945.(which included aircraft industry the most, and that incudes critical need for supply of engines for planes). 

 

Effort to maintain fighter planes airborne and resupplied was 1st priority in Germany from early 1944 due to need to defend from Allied strategic bombardment.

 

Factories, warehouses and  depots, repair facilities  for all fighting planes, including Me 109 and their DB 605 engines and facilities for their maintenance were underground or in large bunkers all over Germany (and elswhere- , Czech, Austria, even France) 

The engine after been superchaged for G serries had some 100 working hours life span .   But for 1800   horsepower version ( supercharged  for K serries) it  needed replacement after just 50 hours of flight ,  while used engine was sent for general repair.

 

In april 9 , 1945 form the table I  posted in this forum http://forum.worldof...369#entry525369 in my  naive belief Its significance it will be understood , you can count it was over 800  operational ME 109 G10, Me 109 K-4 (including 2 K-14 ) fighters at the time war ended, which for every man with average IQ means significant logistic support still existing on (or below) ground to maintain their engines operational. 

 

At the end of ww2 Germans had problem of not having airfileds to take off, and shortage of pilots, and not the problem of producing and maintaining their Me 109's.

 

Plese confirm you actually read what I did posted you in here http://forum.worldof...572#entry525572 and said in this post here.


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jakub_czyli_ja #47 Posted 29 April 2017 - 09:58 AM

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I'm just asking you about underground DB engine factory and underground powerplant. If you can't give examples, all other 40% of German war industry is worthless in terms of emergency development of Bf 109K and all other things you write are irrelevant bullshit.


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View Postjakub_czyli_ja, on 29 April 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

I'm just asking you about underground DB engine factory and underground powerplant. If you can't give examples, all other 40% of German war industry is worthless in terms of emergency development of Bf 109K and all other things you write are irrelevant bullshit.

 

Well this time I will not "find"  for you  (again)  any of  DB 605 engines  in the documents in any of around 30 or so underground  plants and warehouses where DB 605 engines could have been  stored and repaired and at least 5 places where they could have been continuously produced if needed( emergency 1944 decentralization program ,heard something about that ? of course not...)

 

Find it for yourself (like one which Checzhs blowed up in the air after the war as already mentioned in here).. Or just think. I assure you by using a logic you can find the answer.

 

Your attitude and continous personal insulting  deserves no more than dismounting DB  605 engines from 800  surviving Me 109's and selling this 800 engines  to you for free.

 

With just few bricks in a package. .:facepalm:

 

 

 

 


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jakub_czyli_ja #49 Posted 29 April 2017 - 03:36 PM

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View Post_Poe, on 29 April 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

Well this time I will not "find"  for you  (again)  any of  DB 605 engines  in the documents in any of around 30 or so underground  plants and warehouses where DB 605 engines could have been  stored and repaired and at least 5 places where they could have been continuously produced if needed( emergency 1944 decentralization program ,heard something about that ? of course not...)

Come on, describe how to decentralize an aircraft engine factory and name such.


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View Postjakub_czyli_ja, on 29 April 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

Come on, describe how to decentralize an aircraft engine factory and name such.

 

 

Danie Uzeil: Arming the Luftwaffe: The German Aviation Industry in World War II,  McFarland, 2011

 

 

 


Edited by _Poe, 29 April 2017 - 03:55 PM.


_Poe #51 Posted 29 April 2017 - 04:00 PM

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BTW how many of you love perfection of this film? 

 

 

 

 

 


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jakub_czyli_ja #52 Posted 29 April 2017 - 04:11 PM

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I'm not asking about Bf factory, I'm asking about Daimler Benz factories, because engines in Bf 109 planes weren't named Bf, but DB.

You simply can't understand the question, or you don't want to understand that?
 

 

 


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View Post_Poe, on 27 April 2017 - 09:14 PM, said:

 

 

​I also cited you 5 books, of which I recommend First one, where you will  find, I cant post copy of a book in here..

 

Please post your references.

 
I am forced to post scans of the books and documents in here.
 
I hope  bear dude is not just master troll,
anyway.
 
 
 

 

 

Funny that u never talked about that u thought a picture of a modelkit woulde be a genuine picture...

What u say about this?  *silence*

 

What ever.  If u have books that can proof the DB 605L has 2000+ HP then scan them, and post the scans.

And if u scan the books, please scan also the sources of the DB 605L Datas the Author used, because many Authors were also real good fairy tale writer.

If u cant bring any proofs, u are a Liar. I also told u englisch speaking Wikipedia did a mistake.

 

Also there is a consent in Literature this days, Me 109 K-14 never exist. Same sources of K-14 also said there would be a G-16. *facepalm*

You ask why no K-14 can exist? Because no DB 605L engine was produced, only protoypes/ pre-production. Its so easy...

If the DB 605L is the master engine for the K-14 series there must be many DB 605L in production, or they would never start the production of the K-14 series.

Its not real If one Author invents for his book a plane and all other copy and paste it.

They ask alive member of JG 52 about the K-14, and they said they have never get this plane.

But its not important, because ur main problem is DB 605L had never 2000HP.

And K-14 could never be a Wonderweapon, and it was never the best Me 109 K. Highest number dont means best version...

 

I can proof that the DB 605L protoype had only 1700HP.  So Wargaming can never follow of your unprofessional idea.

Your recherche is real embarrassing.

You are a dreamer. U know nothing about the DB series, and u know nothing about Germany 1946.

 

DB 605L was official a high-altitude engine, not a maximum power engine.

Maximum power engine was the DB 605 AS series for medium-alitude.

Wargaming (Persha) knows this and put the DB 605 ASC engine with 2000 HP into the Me 109 G/K Tier 7. 

-High-Altitude planes like K-14 makes no sense in World of Warplanes, because 5000m is the max. high.

-2000HP engine, with correcht data, still exits in WoWp. No prototype with fantasy horsepower needed.

 

You can still tell your fairy tales about fictional planes, unrealistic horsepower, genuine pictures or crazy histrory, but Wargaming is not stupid, so u will have no chance. Nextime first investigate, then think about it, and maybe then u can bring your idea. But not after watching only a fictional modelkit picture and a little fairy tale about this plane and post-war history... 

 

Sources:

Nr. 1: DB 605L = 1700 HP

Nr. 2: DB 605L = 1726 HP

Nr. 3  DB 605L = 1700 HP 

Nr. 4  DB 605L = 1700HP

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by ElDefunes, 29 April 2017 - 05:38 PM.


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instead of arguing about decentralized engine production, somebody get the books he listed and check out his claims.

 

By the way Poe you are arty hater, and so i doubt your sanity.


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jakub_czyli_ja #55 Posted 30 April 2017 - 03:16 PM

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The clue is that there were no way to start any production of Bf 109K after the war because factories were either destroyed, razed or located in different occupation zones, so the engine state isn't really related.

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Don't take it all to serious. We already have enough planes that are fictional to some degree. If it's a cool design or adds something special to the game - I'll take it, even if it's story is based on scribbled papers or even some misspelling. 

 

If they made a Germania-map in WoT and if it would work fine no one would bother that it's based on some insane idea of some unarguably insane man. 



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View PostHuhudidi, on 02 May 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

Don't take it all to serious. We already have enough planes that are fictional to some degree. If it's a cool design or adds something special to the game - I'll take it, even if it's story is based on scribbled papers or even some misspelling.

 

If they made a Germania-map in WoT and if it would work fine no one would bother that it's based on some insane idea of some unarguably insane man.

 


  In case of Me-109 K14  , a great plane that would be (and hope one day it will be in the game), I admit I should have just proposed historic documented,K -14, 2 examples built without polithical tale-tale ideas  I wanted to make it even more spicy with post-war german insignias. I did, now I see , unnecessary overstretched proposal in a way to make it a  plane assembled from remaining parts just after the war, based  tale-tales.

 

Why I did that?


Because I am stupid.

 

Yes I shown stupidity, crippling absolutely superior idea for great historic  plane, giving to some people an argument against realy existing plane. I am stupid, I admit.


But the plane is real ,  Me -109 K 14 , at least 2 built and delivered in the spring 1945 , far end of Me - 109 design development,  760 km/h high altitude interceptor... Great premium plane this would be.It will be one another element in effort to  revitalize this game (that is why I am proposing those great historic  plane).

 


 

 

 


 


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