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me 209 v4 2.0

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ThousandFold #1 Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:07 PM

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Hello all

 

Warning long post (this topic is not a complaint, just trying to see if anybody has some wisdom on the subject)

 

When 2.0 was released I was initially very sour about it, nothing made sense and my aircraft felt like rubber ducks trying to fly...

BUT now it is actually growing on me and well it feels like a whole new game... maybe because it is one? i don't know, guess its here to stay and Im starting to enjoy it.

 

So I had to re-learn how to fly certain aircraft while others remained the same, even some that i didn't used to like back in 1.9 now are a lot more fun to use (miles 20 cof cof) but I keep on having one problem... The me 209 v4

Now before anyone starts bashing me, I do know that the me209 v4 wasn't very popular to start with, a lot of players didn't like its weak weapons and when the american fighters arrived most complained its niche became obsolete. Well that may all have been true but it was my fav aircraft in tier5 battles in 1.9 and I loved to use it. Now Im finding it very hard to use. I will explain why.

 

During 1.9:

I used to fly the me 209 v4 as high as I could. Although its height ceiling wasn't the most impressive its speed (crew trained for speed only plus speed and power upgrades) made me able to go chase tier 6 heavys and eliminate the high altitude competition (this was usually the critical part, as I usually ended up doing long duration turning fights with other high altitude aircraft which much better ceiling stats then mine, this was like my adrenaline moment, loved it) . After that i would go boom and zoom with players somewhere in the 1500 meters and then finally I would try and pick off the low ground flying planes which simply couldn't follow me due to the speed on the 209 v4. Mind you this would usually take the whole 15 minutes of the game due to having to run away multiple times and because of the weak armement,but it worked and i liked it!

 

Now 2.0:

I don't know if anything changed, but the aircraft actually feels faster, like it can climb like a rocket and I think its performance in terms of turning at very high altitudes is much better, but it might just be the camera? That is all great, no sarcasm intended, the problem comes to the following:

 

I have noticed this trend, might be me, but everybody is flying really close to the ground now, and I mean it like maybe 1000m max. I climb with the 209 v4 and I'm all alone up there. Having no opposition i have to go down with it. I start engaging players and usually the battles around the objective are very packed. I might hit a player for a few seconds, storm past in-front of him due to the speed and trying to bait him to follow me and... No! He doens't follow m.e :teethhappy: Nobody does, only the bots and even those will engage somebody else due to the number of players around the objective. Now back in 1.9 some poor fool would try and follow me up and then i would shred him as he lost energy. Doens't happen anymore, so I tired to adapt trying the following, which all failed by the way :teethhappy::

1: I try to speed as fast as i cant to the objective to engage neutral fighters. They are usually slower than normal bots, and I cant fight and outurn them. I try damaging as many as i can, but them 209v4 is a fragile thing and usually since im the only one there (before nobody else arrived yet) they start all firing on me. Weapons arent that powerfull so i cant really make a big difference. 

2: Engaging bombers at high altitude (players and bombing run squad).  Now i tough i could make the difference here, the me 209v4 is ridiculously fast at intercepting the bombers, seriously it insane how fast i can get up there... the problem is that if im engaging a solo bomber (player) i need to be really carefull, due to the me 209 v4 poor armament I can not inflict damage very fast to the bomber,and if the player in the bomber (or bot) is very skilled he will shred me with the defensive armament. I had some wins and losses here, but I feel that it doens't pay off in the long run since I just end up at maybe 10% or 20% hp.

Engaging a group of AI controlled bombers, the bombing run, always ends in disaster. Same sotry I arrive there in seconds but there are jsut to many defensive weapons and the me 209 v4 is very fragile, usually this ends up in me flying away with no life or blowing up :D

3: I try to defend. Just as the game suggests i try defending but again nobody is very flying very high so I have to defend very low and I get outurned quickly, I might run away a little to gain some leverage as they cant follow with my speed but in this new game mode if I run away to far the attacker might just continue with the cap process and score another "defender bot" fighter and come one step closer to capture.

 

Now this is just particular to the me209 v4. All the other high speed airplanes I own I have not that problem, like for example the me 242  is super fast but the weapons make sure that in a quick single pass I can knock out a target. 

If anybody has faced similar problems or has any suggestions or ideas i would appreciate it, I really liked my 209 v4 and I dont want to give up yet, so help me keep it alive in 2.0 :izmena:


Boost full ahead, you can do this! You can do this.

+Your airplane has stalled+

Well its not that bad

+FIRE+

Ah.... F..ck...


omglaserspewpew #2 Posted 14 November 2017 - 10:30 PM

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V4 is currently the only fighter at tier 5, which can actually use speed consistently to make a separation from opponents and even relocate to another cap zone quickly if needed.

 

Sadly, the current meta just makes it useless, because it's too lacking in other, very important elements: firepower and maneuverability. You absolutely need to kill stuff asap and be able to lock down a zone by switching targets instantenously on low and mid tiers. V4 just can't do that reliably, I'm afraid.

 

 



ThousandFold #3 Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:05 PM

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View Postomglaserspewpew, on 14 November 2017 - 10:30 PM, said:

V4 is currently the only fighter at tier 5, which can actually use speed consistently to make a separation from opponents and even relocate to another cap zone quickly if needed.

 

Sadly, the current meta just makes it useless, because it's too lacking in other, very important elements: firepower and maneuverability. You absolutely need to kill stuff asap and be able to lock down a zone by switching targets instantenously on low and mid tiers. V4 just can't do that reliably, I'm afraid.

 

 

 

You managed to say what I wanted I guess In a few words, thank you, English is not my best and I might sometimes make it difficult to explain

But still maybe we just didn't use it enough? Maybe somebody found a new tactic with it? 


Boost full ahead, you can do this! You can do this.

+Your airplane has stalled+

Well its not that bad

+FIRE+

Ah.... F..ck...


omglaserspewpew #4 Posted 14 November 2017 - 11:15 PM

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We can wait until they introduce a proper tech tree bombers and see if that changes the meta enough. But I don't see the balance improving much unless they profoundly rebalance most of the planes.

ThousandFold #5 Posted 15 November 2017 - 05:29 PM

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Today I tried actually escorting the bombers. Its a waste of the me 209 v4 speed, but I noticed something interesting. Since most of the fighters engaging the bombers just used their boost to arrive there, they have very low energy so I can successfully engage and "play" with them. Aslo added bonus of bombers defensive armament covering me, made it easy for me to eliminate the opposition. Only down side here is that not on all maps will there be operation centers...

 

 


Boost full ahead, you can do this! You can do this.

+Your airplane has stalled+

Well its not that bad

+FIRE+

Ah.... F..ck...


rainmakerltu #6 Posted 15 November 2017 - 06:21 PM

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View PostThousandFold, on 15 November 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Today I tried actually escorting the bombers. Its a waste of the me 209 v4 speed, but I noticed something interesting. Since most of the fighters engaging the bombers just used their boost to arrive there, they have very low energy so I can successfully engage and "play" with them. Aslo added bonus of bombers defensive armament covering me, made it easy for me to eliminate the opposition. Only down side here is that not on all maps will there be operation centers...

 

 

 

Bombers are good for luring fighters away. Bad if it`s your team fighters. Instead of capping, good half of team are chasing bloody bombers across the map. Of course they getting personal stats, but that does not contribute to victory. Actually I like that way - more fun than just fly, fight and cap.




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