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Cecilpanzer #1 Posted 11 January 2018 - 01:59 PM

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The hurricane mk I was an aircraft used to go after bombers in the battle of Britain (whilst spitfires dealt with the fighter escort) but in game I cant fly above 8k ft so do 17's easily escape by just flying high enough. the mk I should be able to reach 10k ft.

 

Also the Hurricane had a reputation for being able to take large amounts of damage. In game it catches fire far too often and has low survivability. Please refer to historical accounts of this aircraft.



GonerNL #2 Posted 11 January 2018 - 02:43 PM

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https://en.wikipedia...ricane_variants

 

When attacking Luftwaffe bombers, it was discovered that the Hurricane's fuel tanks were vulnerable to defensive machine gun fire.

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The wooden and fabric rear fuselage was also far more likely to catch fire than the metal fuselages of its contemporaries.



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View PostCecilpanzer, on 11 January 2018 - 01:59 PM, said:

Also the Hurricane had a reputation for being able to take large amounts of damage. In game it catches fire far too often and has low survivability. Please refer to historical accounts of this aircraft.

Great joke.

You are talking about game that Fw 190 A-1 is at the same tier as Spitfire I.


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It is arcade game. Be happy there is Hurricane mk 1. 
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hollowbaron #5 Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:21 AM

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I have hurricane 2 and tornado. I don't think their under powered at all. Both feel like an early seafang. While for me the seafang is amongst my worst t8 premiums, probably because its facing a mix of jets, yak-15's and other light fighters.

For me its a nightmare to fly a seafang as its average at everything.

While at hurricane 2 tier those 4x 20mm rip stuff apart.

The tornado feels a bit like seafangs younger cousin in feeling very tired when fighting that best. While hurricane owns at its tier. Certainly better than skua or bristol that seems to be the pick for seal clubbers.

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The Hurricane I is a very good tier 4 plane. However, I agree, there are issues with altitude performance, but that applies to a lot of planes. Altitude performance in this game is something WG has VERY WRONG.

 

The Hurrican IId is even more of a problem. Probably the worst plane in the game, though once you learn to conserve ammunition (in fairness the real IId only carried 19 rounds) you can do some good things with it, but its main role of ground attack, just inedequate rewards for what you do.

 

Hurricane II, great plane. Need to conserve your ammunition, but has a good reload speed on rockets, so ground attack isnt a nightmare and dog fighting is a real thing.

 

Still too squishy against bombers though. The hurricane, even without 20mm cannons, was a bomber killer. Not in this game.

 

Also, if people want to go for a bit of historical accuracy, the hurricane could out turn both the spitfire and the 109 (in fact, at one point in the battle of britain, the hurricane had a 77% kill ration against 109's).

 

As for the Tornado, great plane. High speed rocket reloads means you can own capturing zones.


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Cecilpanzer #7 Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:05 PM

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The vulnerability to fire fair enough but if it didn't burn rounds would pass through the fabric and exit the other side if they didn't hit anything vital. Doing no damage same as the mosquito. And yes jakub fw 190 neeeds love too. THe altitude rating however is a joke with no basis in reality. It was the primary bomber hunter in the battle of britain but in game cant get to the do 17's flying at 8k ft.

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View Postsaidor, on 13 January 2018 - 01:56 AM, said:

The Hurricane I is a very good tier 4 plane. However, I agree, there are issues with altitude performance, but that applies to a lot of planes. Altitude performance in this game is something WG has VERY WRONG.

 

The Hurrican IId is even more of a problem. Probably the worst plane in the game, though once you learn to conserve ammunition (in fairness the real IId only carried 19 rounds) you can do some good things with it, but its main role of ground attack, just inedequate rewards for what you do.

 

Hurricane II, great plane. Need to conserve your ammunition, but has a good reload speed on rockets, so ground attack isnt a nightmare and dog fighting is a real thing.

 

Still too squishy against bombers though. The hurricane, even without 20mm cannons, was a bomber killer. Not in this game.

 

Also, if people want to go for a bit of historical accuracy, the hurricane could out turn both the spitfire and the 109 (in fact, at one point in the battle of britain, the hurricane had a 77% kill ration against 109's).

 

As for the Tornado, great plane. High speed rocket reloads means you can own capturing zones.

 

​Thing to remember is that the 40mm guns fitted to the IID were designed to destroy armoured vehicles not buildings or other planes, it's a pity we weren't given the option of switching out the 40mm guns for underwing rockets, that would have made the IID far more versatile in the game.

 

 



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View Postshrapnel_bait, on 14 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

​Thing to remember is that the 40mm guns fitted to the IID were designed to destroy armoured vehicles not buildings or other planes, it's a pity we weren't given the option of switching out the 40mm guns for underwing rockets, that would have made the IID far more versatile in the game.

IID is a premium plane, which means very fixed configuration.

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Altitudes in WoWp are:

 

1. Compressed (max altitude is 5-6 000 meters) so game would be more fast-paced and more fun. As result you don't need to climbing up for 20 minutes. 

2. They are part of balancing for each plane. So rule of WoWp is that more agile planes have less altitude, and less agile planes have more altitude (not including GAA). It is rule with exceptions. 


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Cecilpanzer #11 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:18 PM

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View PostCheefCoach, on 14 January 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:

Altitudes in WoWp are:

 

1. Compressed (max altitude is 5-6 000 meters) so game would be more fast-paced and more fun. As result you don't need to climbing up for 20 minutes. 

2. They are part of balancing for each plane. So rule of WoWp is that more agile planes have less altitude, and less agile planes have more altitude (not including GAA). It is rule with exceptions. 

 

I'm not expecting it to climb quickly to 10kft but it would be nice to be capable of it, the low altitude element of game play needs looking at. bombers can get to 8k and bomb easily. Also from an immersion pov not being able to shoot down german bombers in the hurricane mk I sucks...

Cecilpanzer #12 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:24 PM

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View Posthollowbaron, on 12 January 2018 - 05:21 AM, said:

I have hurricane 2 and tornado. I don't think their under powered at all. Both feel like an early seafang. While for me the seafang is amongst my worst t8 premiums, probably because its facing a mix of jets, yak-15's and other light fighters.

For me its a nightmare to fly a seafang as its average at everything.

While at hurricane 2 tier those 4x 20mm rip stuff apart.

The tornado feels a bit like seafangs younger cousin in feeling very tired when fighting that best. While hurricane owns at its tier. Certainly better than skua or bristol that seems to be the pick for seal clubbers.

 

Its a good plane apart from its terrible altitude performance. This entire thread is based on being English and wanting to shoot down do 17's in a hurricane...

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View PostCecilpanzer, on 14 January 2018 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

Its a good plane apart from its terrible altitude performance. This entire thread is based on being English and wanting to shoot down do 17's in a hurricane...

 

The same want as back then :-)

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View PostCecilpanzer, on 14 January 2018 - 11:24 PM, said:

 

Its a good plane apart from its terrible altitude performance. This entire thread is based on being English and wanting to shoot down do 17's in a hurricane...

 

Hurricane is a quite good plane : the problem is the game with so much lags bugs and issues ....

GonerNL #15 Posted 15 January 2018 - 10:32 AM

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View Posthollowbaron, on 12 January 2018 - 05:21 AM, said:

While at hurricane 2 tier those 4x 20mm rip stuff apart.

 

Anyone else who switched back to the .303's ??

I got so fed up with the overheating 20mm's that I downgraded, with universal ammo those guns are deadly and just keep firing. Range is not as good as 20mm, so I just get a little closer for the kill.


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the Hurricane at Tier IV turns 2 seconds slower than the Fairey Phantom and even the Ar 197 - which has the same guns and bombs.It's also slower (Optimum) than those two planes.

The LAGG-3 turns as fast but is more than 60 Km/h faster.


 

It clearly isn't a turn and burn fighter - but with slow Speed, low survivability and poor altitude Performance it'S essentially useless.

I think they should at least buff Optimum speed and slightly buff the altitude Performance.

Haven't bothered unlocking the next Tier Hurricane yet.



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View PostKolbrt, on 15 January 2018 - 07:36 PM, said:

the Hurricane at Tier IV turns 2 seconds slower than the Fairey Phantom and even the Ar 197 - which has the same guns and bombs.It's also slower (Optimum) than those two planes.

The LAGG-3 turns as fast but is more than 60 Km/h faster.

Should be pretty obvious that monoplane turns worse than biplanes.

Hurricane was pretty bulky plane with wings generating solid drag. LaGG seems to be more streamlined, and at tier IV (premium one) is 25 in horizontal and 30 (in dive) km/h faster.

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It clearly isn't a turn and burn fighter - but with slow Speed, low survivability and poor altitude Performance it'S essentially useless.

I think they should at least buff Optimum speed and slightly buff the altitude Performance.

Haven't bothered unlocking the next Tier Hurricane yet.

Except Soviet and Japan, no multirole is TnB fighter. It's a Jack of all trades, has solid firepower (albeit on short distance), can speed up on boost.

Squeeze your teeth and it's less than 20k exp to get next tier, and for another Hurricane there will be cannons.

 


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And let us also not forget, that it was the Hurricane and NOT the Spitfire that won the Battle of Britain.

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@jakub: yes, it's obvious that biplaes turn faster - but the Point I was trying to make was that to compensate for the worse TR, the other stats should be better, but they aren't.

 


 

Thx for the cheer up - I certainly hope the next one will be better. Esp as I'll have a better Pilot as well (will retrain a fighter Pilot who has 6 skill Points already.)



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View PostGonerNL, on 15 January 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

 

Anyone else who switched back to the .303's ??

I got so fed up with the overheating 20mm's that I downgraded, with universal ammo those guns are deadly and just keep firing. Range is not as good as 20mm, so I just get a little closer for the kill.

 

You need to control bursts and not just keep you finger on the trigger. Works just fine when you do that.




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