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_EAF_ #1 Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:56 PM

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since i started this game from 4 years and more 

i never seen or tested an event with that ...really i can not find the right word to describe it 

un balanced ...un fair ...pointless ...no rules ..hard missions maybe insane.plus the crashing ufff.idk guys 

maybe you see it in other way than me 

but to me ...i tested many battles in that awful event make me believe the wg Intentionally make us lose or push this event for some category of people who can pass it by gold or whatever

because i can not find a meaning for all of that 

first battle i was heavy (the only heavy ) as attacker ...must stand vs 4 heavies humans ..plus the base defenders (what kind of mm we looking at ) and more and more of that crap

2d game attacker again ..really most of us felt that we fighting vs 2 teams not 1 ..full team of humans plus the base defenders and wg want us (the few attackers smash all that and win ) wowo what a great idea 

3d battle ..i said better i chose a nice plane to attack ..i enter the game ..i find it ..i must defend lol ..is there rule guys to change the role ?between defend and attack   ? you wg confuse us and make us  chose wrong planes every time 

let us put all of that a side ..fine ..np

the missions ..some thing like 15 planes in 1 sortie !!  

i see 15 mission ..when i ask the guys around me ..most of them stock at the mission 4 or 5 lol you want that 15 mission in 2 days 

not only that to get the planes ..we must doing not only the missions ...no .. the additional mission too

the crashing issue ...the worst  problem of all of that ..after every map the game crash ...before the battle the game crash ..in the hangar the game crash ...i login like 30 times to play 17 battle  

wg you will not stop until we all leave that game and let you developers play it  


Edited by _EAF_, 03 March 2018 - 07:58 AM.


drakkanax #2 Posted 04 March 2018 - 02:50 AM

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Pretty much agree with everything you said except I haven't experienced the crashes.

The 15 kill mission supposedly includes air defense aircraft, but that is little consolation considering the fact that killing air defense aircraft is even rarer in this mode and the time is very limited. The most I did in about 30 missions is 9 kills.

In my opinion the kill 10 air defense aircraft is harder to get and completely up to luck and circumstances.... and just try the kill 25 air defense aircraft in any number of missions one to see how it goes. I had NONE killed in the first 10 battles. 8 were on defense and in the other two I had to handle actual enemy fighters that outnumber you two to one...

So it went for me like 10 missions => 0 progress => Alt+F4.


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svadilfari #3 Posted 04 March 2018 - 10:47 AM

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the event is bad enough but i tried to suffer through it to get the pfeil. 

but honestly i doubt you can complete those 15 missions without spending € to skip some of them



SiboSnakeEyes #4 Posted 04 March 2018 - 11:24 AM

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And to make it worse, you can complete a mission and not get credit for it... First Mission for german heavy... 8,000 personal points in any number of games... additional is 8,000 in one game. I'm on 4,000 after first game... Play another (IN afighter, so no ground damage to consider) and get 9,400 points... I complete the main mission but not the 8,000 in one game???? How does that work?

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View PostSiboSnakeEyes, on 04 March 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

And to make it worse, you can complete a mission and not get credit for it... First Mission for german heavy... 8,000 personal points in any number of games... additional is 8,000 in one game. I'm on 4,000 after first game... Play another (IN afighter, so no ground damage to consider) and get 9,400 points... I complete the main mission but not the 8,000 in one game???? How does that work?

 

You need to make 8k from killing enemy planes I think. I did complete that one. It's the 3rd on the other set.

_EAF_ #6 Posted 04 March 2018 - 02:25 PM

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View PostSiboSnakeEyes, on 04 March 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

And to make it worse, you can complete a mission and not get credit for it... First Mission for german heavy... 8,000 personal points in any number of games... additional is 8,000 in one game. I'm on 4,000 after first game... Play another (IN afighter, so no ground damage to consider) and get 9,400 points... I complete the main mission but not the 8,000 in one game???? How does that work?

 

View Postsvadilfari, on 04 March 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

the event is bad enough but i tried to suffer through it to get the pfeil. 

but honestly i doubt you can complete those 15 missions without spending € to skip some of them

 

you ask the question..and that's the right answer 

spend some $$$

so the event hard ..unfair ..un balanced...skip all of that with cash

like i said wg Intentionally push this event for some category of people who can pass it by cash..the rest of the players just for more fun and they will not get nothing at the end  

  



jnishar #7 Posted 04 March 2018 - 02:38 PM

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Its funny, im playing 9 vs 9 fights the three matches i played so far.. Some in here complaines about fewer players, cant those people just enjoy the game for it is? a game with alot more players playing now than in a long long time
Take it to the limit.
One more time.

jakub_czyli_ja #8 Posted 04 March 2018 - 04:14 PM

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View Postjnishar, on 04 March 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

Its funny, im playing 9 vs 9 fights the three matches i played so far.. Some in here complaines about fewer players, cant those people just enjoy the game for it is? a game with alot more players playing now than in a long long time

Really?

Hall of fame surprisingly works, so for last 7 days (20 battles at least):

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 Your position in rating «Victories/Battles»: 4,897. You scored higher than 28.12% of players.

Good enough - it gives about 6812 players.

Given that week ending in Feb 25th there were 5890 such players, it seems like a vision of possibility to get 2 tier VIII planes brought back 1k players.

And it's a number of players from the beginning of February, so I wouldn't call it 'long time'.

 

It's really funny how WG tries to artificially bump number of players paying,  or pretending to be paying for playing.

 

Next week it will be another new battle mode, missions won't work, because I honestly doubt that much players will be able to finish half of them during this weekend.

So unless there will be a nice daily multiplicator, or another nation in a march of nations, I don't foresee a big number of players.



Dr_Ar_MG #9 Posted 04 March 2018 - 05:40 PM

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the funny thing is that it's 2018 and still some people, use examples (exceptions ) to prov their ideas !!

ignore all the facts and continue wrong way.

 

ok It doesn't matter ,let them think if they saw one battle or a few battles with 9 players during events and maybe pick time it means the game has a lot of players and is too successful !

so I have to say if you think one sample can prov something I have some from 1.9, watch this

 

10  players in 1.9 each side (20 players in one)

Spoiler

this one 9 human players in each team

Spoiler

 

I never seen just 1 player vs bots in 1.9 !!!  but I saw in 2.0 can you believe that...

I checked all name by right click, all bots

Spoiler
Spoiler

 


Edited by Dr_Ar_MG, 04 March 2018 - 05:48 PM.


Father_Flatulence #10 Posted 04 March 2018 - 07:16 PM

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One mission involves killing defensive aircraft, but it is almost impossible since every mission you get is defending, and there are no defense aircraft!

_EAF_ #11 Posted 04 March 2018 - 09:42 PM

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today ..as a fool hope 

i said i will try 1 game ..maybe the luck change lol 

i take seafang ..and i enter the game 

my team 2 heavy humans  t 8 (1 me  262..and 1 uk heavy )  the rest was t8 gaa and 1 light fighter t 9 fighter bot too and me  vs  4 humans heavies me 262 tier 8 and 4 il 40 t 9 one of them human  ...the rest i can not remember 

for sure you will imagine the result  

the mm of that event ..kick of [edited]really to any normal player 


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eekeeboo #12 Posted 05 March 2018 - 12:39 PM

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I actually remember a few events that weren't so much worse, because it stuck to 1 game mode. But there were far worse missions and requirements set out. For one, if anyone remembers when wowp clans were first introduced and you had to do special missions as a clan including killing 3 planes 2 tiers higher than you. Or perhaps getting 3 plane kills in a row with bombs and rockets and you had to win/not die. Or when you had to get a thunder (75 gt points) with a map that only had 140 points available and EVERYONE would play GAA and targets didn't respawn. 

 

I remember quite clearly where there have been some missions that weren't ideal, and those that were even broken and didn't track the full achievement only a select part. For example the current mission for getting 8500 points in a game for destroying aircraft. I remember the mission that literally counter only the point reward you got for destroying the plane (200). 

 

I feel there's either an element of exaggeration or knee-jerk over-reaction to some of these missions, especially from those who have played for a lengthy period of time, especially 4 years. Like "Most ace medals" or "Most base xp" and "Most kills in 2 weeks" events which were absolutely horrific and unfair to anyone but a select portion of the player base and open to abuse. 



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View Post_EAF_, on 02 March 2018 - 11:56 PM, said:

since i started this game from 4 years and more 

i never seen or tested an event with that ...really i can not find the right word to describe it 

un balanced ...un fair ...pointless ...no rules ..hard missions maybe insane.plus the crashing ufff.idk guys 

maybe you see it in other way than me 

but to me ...i tested many battles in that awful event make me believe the wg Intentionally make us lose or push this event for some category of people who can pass it by gold or whatever

because i can not find a meaning for all of that 

first battle i was heavy (the only heavy ) as attacker ...must stand vs 4 heavies humans ..plus the base defenders (what kind of mm we looking at ) and more and more of that crap

2d game attacker again ..really most of us felt that we fighting vs 2 teams not 1 ..full team of humans plus the base defenders and wg want us (the few attackers smash all that and win ) wowo what a great idea 

3d battle ..i said better i chose a nice plane to attack ..i enter the game ..i find it ..i must defend lol ..is there rule guys to change the role ?between defend and attack   ? you wg confuse us and make us  chose wrong planes every time 

let us put all of that a side ..fine ..np

the missions ..some thing like 15 planes in 1 sortie !!  

i see 15 mission ..when i ask the guys around me ..most of them stock at the mission 4 or 5 lol you want that 15 mission in 2 days 

not only that to get the planes ..we must doing not only the missions ...no .. the additional mission too

the crashing issue ...the worst  problem of all of that ..after every map the game crash ...before the battle the game crash ..in the hangar the game crash ...i login like 30 times to play 17 battle  

wg you will not stop until we all leave that game and let you developers play it  

 

Completely hit the Nail on the head every comment issue spot on, who the hell can kill 15 planes while trying to assist in capping or defending 6 bases all with double the normal amount of opponents, what goon idiot in the corner of the office wrote this Operation ??, Skies of Albion was far better, oh and BTW anyone else won special medals for participating in Westwall, yes ! me to, but they have removed the one's I won on Skies of Albion ,,, have they done that to you as well. ??



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View PostWilhelmII, on 05 March 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

BTW anyone else won special medals for participating in Westwall, yes ! me to, but they have removed the one's I won on Skies of Albion ,,,

 

I got a Trial by Fire (5 battles won) and Invasion (10 Invasion battles won) and my Albion medals are still there. On the players website that is, haven't checked in-game profile yet ...

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To be honest, I haven't found these two game modes to be bad so to speak. Yes, the balance can be a bit wonky at times but that could be easily balanced out in several ways.

 

The easiest way to regain some kind of balanced match up when it comes to teams is to limit aircraft type

Attacking team:

Max 2 Bombers

Max 3 GAA

Defenders

Max 4 Heavy fighters

 

Another way to fix this ground attack vs air superiority issue is to add ground targets for the defenders to destroy. This would be my preferable fix to this situation. The attackers would have a ground force slowly moving towards the enemy bases to attack them. Tanks and ground troops. Defenders not only need to kill the attack from the air but also the attack from the ground force. This way you could have GAA on either side and only bombers on the attacking side (still limited numbers of bombers though)

 

The last way to fix this whole thing would be to turn this game mode into PvE. A Co-op style game mode similar to WoWS operations where we would fight against bots to achieve the mission. The enemy bots would have to have supped up AI though.

 

Seriously, a co-op mode might be very good for this game. Simple "Escort the Bombers" operation or "Destroy the Bombers" operation. Or, "Sink the Carrier Group" operation. That kind of Co-op stuff might actually bring in the players and fill teams up with hoomans.

 

 

The event however, is a bit of a bad egg though. The bad egg is simply the fact that the reward (a premium plane) just isn't realistically achievable



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View PostSpuggy, on 05 March 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

To be honest, I haven't found these two game modes to be bad so to speak. Yes, the balance can be a bit wonky at times but that could be easily balanced out in several ways.

 

The easiest way to regain some kind of balanced match up when it comes to teams is to limit aircraft type

Attacking team:

Max 2 Bombers

Max 3 GAA

Defenders

Max 4 Heavy fighters

 

Another way to fix this ground attack vs air superiority issue is to add ground targets for the defenders to destroy. This would be my preferable fix to this situation. The attackers would have a ground force slowly moving towards the enemy bases to attack them. Tanks and ground troops. Defenders not only need to kill the attack from the air but also the attack from the ground force. This way you could have GAA on either side and only bombers on the attacking side (still limited numbers of bombers though)

 

The last way to fix this whole thing would be to turn this game mode into PvE. A Co-op style game mode similar to WoWS operations where we would fight against bots to achieve the mission. The enemy bots would have to have supped up AI though.

 

Seriously, a co-op mode might be very good for this game. Simple "Escort the Bombers" operation or "Destroy the Bombers" operation. Or, "Sink the Carrier Group" operation. That kind of Co-op stuff might actually bring in the players and fill teams up with hoomans.

 

 

The event however, is a bit of a bad egg though. The bad egg is simply the fact that the reward (a premium plane) just isn't realistically achievable

 

​Some fair points there. Again, it seems to be the case that the idea is nice, but could have been way better implemented with the event, and doesn't suit the same play conditions as Conquest; whether you make it PvE, clan match skirmish...whatever, it needed more thought and consideration. One does get the feeling that this really wasn't tested and this event is a double slap in the face: using us as first-line testers without payment PLUS trying to twist our arm into paying them for it via the premium planes. Even for F2P business model where you expect mind-games with transactions and boosters, it's pretty murky and insulting.

Lithiumn #17 Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:27 PM

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Yeh this new game mode is utter crap. But even without it my chat in hangar crashes the game EVERY time I try to close it, and now I can't even change the plane I'm on, literally nothing works, no matter how many times I reboot. RIP wowp.

_EAF_ #18 Posted 05 March 2018 - 09:49 PM

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my chat box all open ...i can not close them :) when i do ..the game crash 

i have like 15 chat box open ...could not touch them now lol 



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Unless they design some scenario where you are actually directed/forced to do some certain action ( guard bombers/ GAA ) and everyone set to same altitude , this kind of stuff wont work, because people are simply just too stupid to do it or they just want to mind their own business, like completing some impossible mission, and dont care about the rest of the team. Or use it for clan based activities, but at this point i doubt there are more than 3-4 clans around that can actually coordinate 15 people to work together. So for all i care they should cancel this event because it is a failed one, i wont play it anymore and i sincerely doubt there will be more than 3-4 people who actually win those planes for free. So if there is no priozes , whats the point of the event? couldnt you just sell those planes directly and not make a false fuss?

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i agree with you   Horcan




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