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[0viking0]

A_useless_noob, on 14 March 2018 - 01:41 AM, said:

 

Yeah it's bad when you try to capture a base and the other team gets it, Usually caused by no support off team mates.  To many AI bots chasing crap around the map.  Thats why we need more human players.

 

 

Humans usually chasing even bigger crap... And bots don't quit before the end of the game, a lot of idiot humans do, even if there is still some chance to win. Bots with Spitfires will not attack ground targets, a lot of humans do that... Bot fighters usually won't die over mining plants... Most humans don't really understand how to capture a mining plant. Bots will chase bombers... but humans do that also.

There are 10% of humans doing the right stuff... Not more than 10%.

[A_useless_noob]

ArtyIsSuperior, on 14 March 2018 - 01:06 AM, said:

Like he can recognize bots from human players

Yes I'm using the mod.  http://forum.worldof...os-the-ai-bots/

0viking0, on 14 March 2018 - 09:10 AM, said:

 

Humans usually chasing even bigger crap... And bots don't quit before the end of the game, a lot of idiot humans do, even if there is still some chance to win. Bots with Spitfires will not attack ground targets, a lot of humans do that... Bot fighters usually won't die over mining plants... Most humans don't really understand how to capture a mining plant. Bots will chase bombers... but humans do that also.

There are 10% of humans doing the right stuff... Not more than 10%.

Yes some humans do stupid things, and some are crap pilots.  But you can ask humans for support, and some will listen.  Never been able to do that with bots.

You can take a human pilot under your wing (excuse the pun), and teach them to be better.  Bot will do as programmed, nothing more.

A human will pay for premium aircraft or time, and keep this game going for everyone. your bot can't do that.  The mining plant gives more influence than the others, airfields give a new spawning point and sometimes repair your aircraft  command centres and missile base's are like extra members on your team. 

Your bot usually flies to the nearst garrison where it waits for bombers spawns to chase off the map.  So yes more human pilots please.

Edited by A_useless_noob, 14 March 2018 - 10:14 AM.

[majid_HD]

A_useless_noob, on 14 March 2018 - 12:41 AM, said:

The enemy respawning behind you can catch you unawares,  But you respawning behind then is just as bad for them.

When they respawn some where else better, OK  But when I'm killed I can do the same.

 

tnx for the good answers...I'm not agree but they are fair.

-yes it enemies respwn or me ... no matter...the bad part is that... it's dependent on luck, some time it's good sometimes it's bad.

some times your above the airfield and enemy respawn behind you some times in front of you, all depends on you luck... and this is an airplane game not a casino game

and you know?

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Pick another plane, upgrade,change tactics, evolve.

Yeah it's bad when you try to capture a base and the other team gets it, Usually caused by no support off team mates.  To many AI bots chasing crap around the map.  Thats why we need more human players.

-pick another plane ? went I'm developing another branch of tech tree ?! man it's a big weakness of a game if characters were not equal in powers.in 1.9 in 90% cases no matter which plane, which type and which map, yes for few ones it was unfair but after years 1.9.4 most of the planes almost equal

-in 1.9 you don't needed a good team, if you were good enough you could win the battle, and for more humans a game must be good.

 

in 2.0 for example you and another human have a fast plane with lower fire power, so you can the teammate maybe with 2 bots go to capture an airfield. you arraive 25 sec sooner than enemies, you are chasing two defenders and your bots are doing their stupid turn around. enemies arrive later cuz they have lower speed but more firepower but low, you have two choise

continue chasing defender and enemy kill you or disengage and dogfight with enemy.

got the point ? you were balance with the enemy (low fire power ,high speed high ,altitude == low speed ,high maneuver ,high fire power) but you lost the alt you have no distance to gain speed and do "hit and run " also hit and run is harder because harder to aim and sometimes fog !! so the enemy has a  big favor..

being a bad game is the reason of low population of the players, not the low population of  the players is the reason of being a bad game !!

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If the enemy manages to respawn more than you, Why arn't you watching the game timer.  If the squall is due soon, and you have low health, crash your plane, and respawn with full health.  If the enemy has low health and squall is due, don't kill him, wait for squall then kill him.

 I DO NOT LIKE THESE RULES !!! why should I kill myself when It's the pick of the battle, Adrenalin in my blood, die and wait and start again for spawn point ?( and maybe the problem of spawn point my get lucky).

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 This whole post of yours is one big whine.  Why has the enemy got a better plane than me.  Why is he a better pilot than me, Grow up, or as they say git gud.

 OK change the place of me with the enemy, but problems still exsist.dude I'm not talking about myself, I need a fair battle. you think if WG guarantees a lucky game just for me then I like this game ? you think when I have better plane and better situation versus my enemies I'm happy ?! NO, NO!!!! many times when I won the battle in 2.0 I sent a message and "sorry, It was unfair battle"

whole post was just as example: to show the game is unfair and imbalance...to show sometimes flying better causes a defeats and sometime a mistake makes a victory !!

I like to win a fair battle !

I like to fly with all planes, all types, love them all !

I like to win based on skills not luck, happens , accidents ,map , type of plane!

I do NOT like a victory which I had better plane than enemy and got lucky.

I wanna play 1.9 ! (it doesn't mean 1.9 was perfect, I told it needed some fix but was much better than 2.0)

 

any way if you think the game needs more players, 1.9 had more players ...

 

[majid_HD]

A_useless_noob, on 14 March 2018 - 10:11 AM, said:

Yes some humans do stupid things, and some are crap pilots.  But you can ask humans for support, and some will listen.  Never been able to do that with bots.

You can take a human pilot under your wing (excuse the pun), and teach them to be better.  Bot will do as programmed, nothing more.

A human will pay for premium aircraft or time, and keep this game going for everyone. your bot can't do that.  The mining plant gives more influence than the others, airfields give a new spawning point and sometimes repair your aircraft  command centres and missile base's are like extra members on your team. 

Your bot usually flies to the nearst garrison where it waits for bombers spawns to chase off the map.  So yes more human pilots please.

nope I can't!!

some battle before start I told them plan, I clicked on the map.

and also during battles. click on the map,use chat , used F2.

 

and you know what ?! in 1.9 bots followed humans. you could control the bots!!

 they usually gain altitude and make a group ! also when you asked cover, or when you press F2 on an enemy the attacked him. and when you pressed F3 they usually let you attack him.

I had good control on bots... I could stay over my base or attack fast....every thing was fine.

 

OMFG if I could transfer my account on chinese server now I was there.

[A_useless_noob]

majid_HD, on 14 March 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

 

tnx for the good answers...I'm not agree but they are fair.

-yes it enemies respwn or me ... no matter...the bad part is that... it's dependent on luck, some time it's good sometimes it's bad.

some times your above the airfield and enemy respawn behind you some times in front of you, all depends on you luck... and this is an airplane game not a casino game

and you know?

-pick another plane ? went I'm developing another branch of tech tree ?! man it's a big weakness of a game if characters were not equal in powers.in 1.9 in 90% cases no matter which plane, which type and which map, yes for few ones it was unfair but after years 1.9.4 most of the planes almost equal

-in 1.9 you don't needed a good team, if you were good enough you could win the battle, and for more humans a game must be good.

 

in 2.0 for example you and another human have a fast plane with lower fire power, so you can the teammate maybe with 2 bots go to capture an airfield. you arraive 25 sec sooner than enemies, you are chasing two defenders and your bots are doing their stupid turn around. enemies arrive later cuz they have lower speed but more firepower but low, you have two choise

continue chasing defender and enemy kill you or disengage and dogfight with enemy.

got the point ? you were balance with the enemy (low fire power ,high speed high ,altitude == low speed ,high maneuver ,high fire power) but you lost the alt you have no distance to gain speed and do "hit and run " also hit and run is harder because harder to aim and sometimes fog !! so the enemy has a  big favor..

being a bad game is the reason of low population of the players, not the low population of  the players is the reason of being a bad game !!

 I DO NOT LIKE THESE RULES !!! why should I kill myself when It's the pick of the battle, Adrenalin in my blood, die and wait and start again for spawn point ?( and maybe the problem of spawn point my get lucky).

 OK change the place of me with the enemy, but problems still exsist.dude I'm not talking about myself, I need a fair battle. you think if WG guarantees a lucky game just for me then I like this game ? you think when I have better plane and better situation versus my enemies I'm happy ?! NO, NO!!!! many times when I won the battle in 2.0 I sent a message and "sorry, It was unfair battle"

whole post was just as example: to show the game is unfair and imbalance...to show sometimes flying better causes a defeats and sometime a mistake makes a victory !!

I like to win a fair battle !

I like to fly with all planes, all types, love them all !

I like to win based on skills not luck, happens , accidents ,map , type of plane!

I do NOT like a victory which I had better plane than enemy and got lucky.

I wanna play 1.9 ! (it doesn't mean 1.9 was perfect, I told it needed some fix but was much better than 2.0)

 

any way if you think the game needs more players, 1.9 had more players ...

 

 

majid_HD, on 14 March 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

nope I can't!!

some battle before start I told them plan, I clicked on the map.

and also during battles. click on the map,use chat , used F2.

 

and you know what ?! in 1.9 bots followed humans. you could control the bots!!

 they usually gain altitude and make a group ! also when you asked cover, or when you press F2 on an enemy the attacked him. and when you pressed F3 they usually let you attack him.

I had good control on bots... I could stay over my base or attack fast....every thing was fine.

 

OMFG if I could transfer my account on chinese server now I was there.

 

So it's a chicken or the egg situation,  The bots don't support the players, and that spoils the game I agree.  The answer is we need more players.

The game is bad, we can't get more players until WG fix's the game.  We all know the game needs fixing, but WG won't spend the resources to fix it, till it get's more player income. I.E. more players.

WG decided that 1.9 wasn't covering the costs of staff, and running the server, so they implemented 2.0.  Now we can either play it or walk away.  if we play it, they may fix some of the problems. If we walk away they will close it, and we will not have an aeroplane game.  The choice as always is the players.

 

NOTE life has never been fair, why should warplanes be different

Edited by A_useless_noob, 14 March 2018 - 12:48 PM.

[BravelyRanAway]

majid_HD, on 14 March 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

being a bad game is the reason of low population of the players, not the low population of  the players is the reason of being a bad game !!

A contradictory statement.

Anyway....the first part could apply to either version, as could the second.....it's just a matter of someone's personal opinion.

[majid_HD]

A_useless_noob, on 14 March 2018 - 12:47 PM, said

So it's a chicken or the egg situation,  The bots don't support the players, and that spoils the game I agree.  The answer is we need more players.

The game is bad, we can't get more players until WG fix's the game.  We all know the game needs fixing, but WG won't spend the resources to fix it, till it get's more player income. I.E. more players.

WG decided that 1.9 wasn't covering the costs of staff, and running the server, so they implemented 2.0.  Now we can either play it or walk away.  if we play it, they may fix some of the problems. If we walk away they will close it, and we will not have an aeroplane game.  The choice as always is the players.

 

NOTE life has never been fair, why should warplanes be different

 

F*** the chickens and F*** the eggs. I don't wanna discuss about it "I know it was a hen first , LOL"

 

lt's not possilbe to have more players in a bad game , even if we inject a lot of new players , the game will not be good. because noobs are more useless than bots.

and in some hours like late nights and early morning game has low amount of players.

 

and you know in 1.9 the game didn't need more players to be good, it was good, no matter how many players in game

 

imagine the game had enough player, but it doesn't solve the unfair and imbalances, actually I think it makes the game more imbalance ...

you know why ?? because know the use equal bots with equal skills and equal planes.

but in a game which full of humans you really need luck to have a good team also players airplane will not be same, and we will see more imbalances some planes are powerful some are not.

 

yes, 1.9 coudn't cover expenses . but my problem is that 2.0 is worse than it.

you know ? 1.9 has some problem and WG could fix them in a better and simpler way. but WG waste much money and made it worse...

but why I'm angry... because they are dictator

 

-at the moment you can enjoy this game.but game still cover expenses, what if they repeat the mistake and make a game worse than 2.0 ?! you paid for 2.0 they force you to play their mistake.I'm angry because I havn't seen any survey or poll in game!!

they never asked us why do you (like / dislike) this part?

If I were one of the WG team I putted a box in game for each plane to rate!

and if players doesn't like a plane, put a survey and asked them why ?

put list of new premiums and which one had more votes, add it in game as premium.

 

game must be fair, nobody likes a game that if someone pays more money is the winner. now critical damage has increase and who has gold consumable and ammo has more chance....it's a very bad mistake...

 

you know why too many players left the game ? because it was disrespect to remove thier game and force them to play another game !!

they should keep both versions.

 

if they released 2.0 as a new game they had all players, new players who like 2.0 start from tier 1 and buy premiums.

some old player who like 2.0 install it and pay to buy planes, they couldn't say I had this plane in 1.9 why should I buy it again in 2.0 ? because 2.0 is different game!!!

some players like me play both versions.

and they could keep some old players in 1.9 and maybe in the future when 2.0 becomes better they go and play it, and re-buy planes in it. but now they are sad and they will not back.

if I was the WG manager, I gave an option to customres to choose ,use their accounts ( planes in hangar, money, score,exp ..) for 1.9 or 2.0.

some guys like 2.0 so they their account in 2.0, and who likes 1.9 use it for 1.9. they could sing in to another version, but they have old planes for one of them.

 

by this way some player who hasn't played 1.9 could play it and 1.9 will have more players.

and 1.9 fans stay, they don't leave the game and in the future when 2.0 becomes better they play 2.0 too.

[majid_HD]

BravelyRanAway, on 14 March 2018 - 01:59 PM, said:

A contradictory statement.

Anyway....the first part could apply to either version, as could the second.....it's just a matter of someone's personal opinion.

 

 1.9 had low players so it was bad, 2.0 has less player than 1.9 so it's worse than 1.9

 

when a developer makes a game in the first months the game has low player and if game was good enough the number of players could increase by time.

but it's wrong if the developer say, my game is good just when it has a lot of players, it's not my fault that I design bad AI, bots, and bad gameplay. if I had more players they coverd my bad and my game was good.

Edited by majid_HD, 14 March 2018 - 02:54 PM.

[majid_HD]

some times I think that 2.0 fan are WG staffs.

 

hey 2.0 lover, are you with us (customers) or with them (WG developers ) ? which side ?

 

I'm an amateur game developer, if I design a bad game but you pay for it and then after a while because I was sh*t and useless and couldn't make a good enough game and havn't enough player and money, and I take your game and give you a worse one, DO YOU SAY no problem bro, you need money, so I adapt and stay... DO YOU ? if yes , you're the best ever customer in he history and I LOVE YOU TOO MUCH!!!

 

it's WG's job to convince us to play, not our job to convince ourself to adapt and play any sh*t they give us...

and you can't say don't play 2.0 nobody forced you. actually do force me, I paid for 1.9 but they gave me 2.0. they don't have enough money ?? it's not my (our) problem it's their problem not us !!! if the can't make a profitable game for themselves so CLOSE it and give us an offline version, we play it as LAN or ONLINE on virtual servers.

 

dude it was their fault that never asked us what do you want, they always ignored us when we told them the problems of 1.9.

and it's their fault , they release 2.0 and removed 1.9 while they knew it clear from feedback that most player disliked 2.0. but again they ignored us and continued their mistakes.

they have done the mistakes WHY WE PAY FOR THAT ??!!

[A_useless_noob]

majid_HD, on 14 March 2018 - 03:13 PM, said

even if we inject a lot of new players , the game will not be good. because noobs are more useless than bots.

and in some hours like late nights and early morning game has low amount of players.

So bots are better, Then why are you complaining.

 

and you know in 1.9 the game didn't need more players to be good, it was good, no matter how many players in game.

Cant have been that good, or it would have had enough players to make it viable.

 

yes, 1.9 coudn't cover expenses . but my problem is that 2.0 is worse than it.

you know ? 1.9 has some problem and WG could fix them in a better and simpler way. but WG waste much money and made it worse...

Then your suffering will be soon over.

 

but why I'm angry... because they are dictator.

aah now we come to it, So they didn't ask your permission

 

.I'm angry because I havn't seen any survey or poll in game!!

they never asked us why do you (like / dislike) this part?

Well they have polls now, so that should make you happy.

 

Edited by A_useless_noob, 14 March 2018 - 04:00 PM.

[BravelyRanAway]

majid_HD, on 14 March 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

and you can't say don't play 2.0 nobody forced you. actually do force me, I paid for 1.9 but they gave me 2.0. 

But they don't force you to play, that's your choice, to accept or leave, there is no force........just leave and find something else to do with your time and money. Life is that simple.

[GonerNL]

majid_HD, on 14 March 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

even if we inject a lot of new players , the game will not be good. because noobs are more useless than bots.

 

That's BS ... if noobs stay, they learn and turn into pilots. Bots are programmed, some are good (too good in some cases) and some are bad (useless even).

Everybody started as noob, you included.

 

And about being forced to pay for 1.9, I find that very hard to believe. I know someone who has been flying for several years and he never ever paid anything.

Edited by GonerNL, 15 March 2018 - 10:53 AM.

[majid_HD]

GonerNL, on 15 March 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

 

That's BS ... if noobs stay, they learn and turn into pilots. Bots are programmed, some are good (too good in some cases) and some are bad (useless even).

Everybody started as noob, you included.

 

first please don't talk when you don't know what's the problem.

 

the problem is :

some one belives game is not with bots, and I believe It's not about bot....

but he said if the game had more players instead of bots the game was good.

to have more players a game must be good so it's impossible.

all the games starts with low population and if they're good enough the population grows and more players and game becomes more fun.

it's like to say, your car is out of gas ? so must drive to gas station and refuel ...got it ? I need gas to have gas...

to have more player the game must be good first !! and he said to have a good game we need more player BUT some player who are better than bots.

even if we inject new noob players into a bad game they make the game worse than bots and soon they get frustrated and leave.

 

and I explained in a long post (first post) that why players couldn't learn and why still can't.

man you said " that's BS if the noob stay.." they will not stay.

every day less players...

there were many people in 1.9 who didn't stay while they could learn if they stayed !!!

now 2.0 is worse than 1.9.

in 1.9 the player could compare your plane specs and behavior before and in battle >>> now in 2.0 he can't

in 1.9 there were some tutorial with gold award >>> but not in 2.0

in 1.9 after death the player could watch others and learn >>>>> now the player can't

 you said   That's BS ... if noobs stay, they learn and turn into pilots. Bots are programmed

really ? you expect a noob stays in a bad game which less possible to learn, no tutorial and after months he becomes a pilot ??!!! to have a good game ?? is it a joke?

they could program the bots better !!!

anyway...

even if the new players stay by the miracles and power of the gods.

2.0 still has many other problems.

you know...in your opinion 2.0 becomes good only

when it's full of skilled players.

all players has equal planes and they just used good plane not some useless of them

and just some good maps.

ELSE ...

we need to back to 1.9 LOL

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 And about being forced to pay for 1.9, I find that very hard to believe. I know someone who has been flying for several years and he never ever paid anything.

 so what ?

and I found many players who spent much money to play 1.9 and because WG programmers where useless and did a lot of mistakes.

they lost thier game.

 

because WG couldn't make the game better they stole a good game from many customers and they still continue wrong way and 2.0 has less player and everyday lower and lower. if you want my advice don't buy anything... wowp will fall soon.

 

Edited by majid_HD, 15 March 2018 - 01:47 PM.

[houghtonbee]

Majid, I'd find something else to play/obsess about. 1.9 isn't coming back, after the amount of development time and money spent on pushing it out (whether the player base likes the new version or not) they will not be rolling it back. 

 

I appreciate you have spent money on this game (I'm one of those who has spent practically nothing on it, £3.50 on a premium plane once is all), but 1.9 has gone and will not ever come back. Time to move on mate

[majid_HD]

houghtonbee, on 15 March 2018 - 02:15 PM, said:

Majid, I'd find something else to play/obsess about. 1.9 isn't coming back, after the amount of development time and money spent on pushing it out (whether the player base likes the new version or not) they will not be rolling it back. 

 

I appreciate you have spent money on this game (I'm one of those who has spent practically nothing on it, £3.50 on a premium plane once is all), but 1.9 has gone and will not ever come back. Time to move on mate

 

my friend I'm sure 1.9 will not back. and even if they back to 1.9 it's failure as it was before.

I'm trying to say why 1.9 was bad and why 2.0 is worse than... to have a better game maybe  in 2.1 maybe 3.0.

 I  just don't like to see the fall of wowp and close.

I'm trying to convince them maybe 1% ( they don't read our topics even I sent the links of topics to one of WG staff and no reply ).

they are going in a wrong way. look every day less player. every update makes the game worse and worse and worse...

and some guys here ,they just accept every bad things in this 2.0.

I told the problems the mistakes in long posts, but have you ever seen some of 2.0 fans had a reason? ( I saw just one post )

they just say 1.9 didn't have enough players so 2.0 is better...if 2.0 is better so where's it's players ? why it has less player.

 

if they put the 1.9 is better.... (I told it's better not it's good )

even they reverse back to 1.9 is better... (I told it's better not it's good )

if they change 2.0 to a similar game like 1.9 it's better (I told it's better not it's good )

but none of them is the solution...

the solution is : release a version which is more similar to 1.9 but fix problems.

 

[BravelyRanAway]

It had four years..................it's done.

[ArtyIsSuperior]

BravelyRanAway, on 14 March 2018 - 06:18 PM, said:

But they don't force you to play, that's your choice, to accept or leave, there is no force........just leave and find something else to do with your time and money. Life is that simple.

like i did. And like me, you can troll for some time before you say final goodbye.

[BravelyRanAway]

ArtyIsSuperior, on 15 March 2018 - 05:03 PM, said:

like i did. And like me, you can troll for some time before you say final goodbye.

 

I'm playing ....you are not. If stating facts is trolling...then that makes your thinking biased and unable to accept them.

[jnishar]

0berhessen, on 13 March 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

Hello, some of your points are really good, even if i dont agree completely with all of them:

 

your first impression from 1.9 step 1, this is what happened to all of us.

But then you have the choice - give up frustrated or look what happened and learn!

One of the benefits of the 1.9 version comparing to 2.0 is that if once you was shot down, you was able to "follow" another human pilot. With some luck you had a good pilot to follow and learn from just looking the way he acts and moves and some strategy as well. This is how i learned alot in 1.9. In my opinion much better than any tutorial! The strange acting camera in 2.0 while you wait for respawn, or after squal line, makes this kind of learning much harder for new pilots.

 

Where i dont agree is Tier 1 fights, one against one other human. It was easy to make an agreement with the other human to go just for bots and groundtargets. There was no need to shoot the other human early in the game. As you needed some "balance" in the enemy team not to win too early... by this you was able to do 9 kills (bots) + lots of groundtargets. It means lots of medals and tokens for both human players. This worked many times for me. 

 

 

to be continued...

 

 

 

 

 

you can follow pilots in 2,0 too.. i believe if you press T it will follow.. i follow if i die just before end of battle

[jnishar]

majid_HD, on 15 March 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

 

my friend I'm sure 1.9 will not back. and even if they back to 1.9 it's failure as it was before.

I'm trying to say why 1.9 was bad and why 2.0 is worse than... to have a better game maybe  in 2.1 maybe 3.0.

 I  just don't like to see the fall of wowp and close.

I'm trying to convince them maybe 1% ( they don't read our topics even I sent the links of topics to one of WG staff and no reply ).

they are going in a wrong way. look every day less player. every update makes the game worse and worse and worse...

and some guys here ,they just accept every bad things in this 2.0.

I told the problems the mistakes in long posts, but have you ever seen some of 2.0 fans had a reason? ( I saw just one post )

they just say 1.9 didn't have enough players so 2.0 is better...if 2.0 is better so where's it's players ? why it has less player.

 

if they put the 1.9 is better.... (I told it's better not it's good )

even they reverse back to 1.9 is better... (I told it's better not it's good )

if they change 2.0 to a similar game like 1.9 it's better (I told it's better not it's good )

but none of them is the solution...

the solution is : release a version which is more similar to 1.9 but fix problems.

 

 

The reason why we dont debate you is like its talking to a Flat earth beliver.. you just go on and on about how glorius 1,9 was when infact 2,0 is just as good but just different, in my opinion for the better. In my opinion they could just as well have added some modes in 1,9 and just went on from there. But they didnt, instead they started from scratch, and ive seen just as many (few) players, as before more or less, but the game itself getting better and better with each update, i havent crashed in weeks now.. The only solution for you now is to accept the fact that now its 2,0 and 1,9 is gone for good... you will not convince anybody...

Edited by jnishar, 16 March 2018 - 01:12 AM.