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Fuchsgeist #181 Posted 01 July 2018 - 07:06 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 30 June 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

That about sums it up.

 

very true, it’s convoluted and time consuming. Playing only casually, I am turned away, 2.0.5 is no fun

britinmadrid #182 Posted 01 July 2018 - 07:50 PM

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 30 June 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

WoWP is, in my opinion, a simple, fast and exciting arcade-style game. 

 

With patch 2.0.5 WoWP appears to have lost sight of what makes the game fun, which is flying in battles.  Sitting in a hangar clicking here and there to work out whether or not this piece of equipment or that piece of equipment is preferable is not my idea of fun.  Grinding aircraft - including my premium planes for which I have paid quite a lot of money - towards specialist status just so I can have a full set of equipment and consumable slots is not my idea of fun.  This system is tedious.

 

This, this and this again!

 

One day in the dim and  distant future the bugs will probably be reduced.

 

I hope the player base will increase, although this patch lessens the chances of that.

 

But it is this fussy upgrade system which is slowing the gameplay down. Want to make us grind for slight upgrades? Okay - sounds good to me. Think re-rolling ten times on a piece of equipment is fun? Like Christmas night, perhaps? Nope! Forget your older players as they remember the old system. Rather, think about new players who 'wander in from the street'. They will see an infinite grind multiplied by random luck as veteran players with better modules murder them.

 

Will they stick around or leave? Hmmm...



Capt_Cornhole #183 Posted 01 July 2018 - 08:53 PM

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After playing now for almost a month and grinding 10 of my 11 Planes to Specialist (including 4 Premiums), I'll have to say as a Newbe..I've had enough...If it wasn't the fact that I'm so tenatious about everything I do, I'd have given up after the first few days... I only have 6 more days on my free 30day Premium Account and will probably wander back to Ships and check again in a couple of years to see if it's gotten better. I really do enjoy playing Planes but this new Specialist system is just aweful...Today I was trying to grind my 10th Plane and got to the point where I only needed 2 Kills "in a Victorious match"...It took me 9 games to get it...Every game I was in the top 5, in the top 3 for more than half of them and outscored the top player from the "Winning" Team by double one time...and we lost...unbelieveable...9 times... I was so angry, I tried to tell myself "It's only a game, It's supposed to be fun"...NOT. If WG is trying to attract new players and grow their base, this isn't the way.


 

The other thing that's limiting and not really cool is being locked into the Specialist build...also not Cool...An Example is my T.VI F4U, I ground it to Specialist and then after the "Upgrade" I found I didn't like the 20mm Cannons as well as the 50 cals...can you change back or downgrade the 20's for the 50's?...No, not unless you down grade the the entire plane to Premium again, then all the Upgrades parts have a big fat minus penalty. Not what I'd call "more exciting options for customizing a plane to your own playing style"


 

I'm the kind of person you're trying to attract...Love the Historical Planes, the Action, I've got money to throw into games that I like...but I can find better ways to raise my Blood Pressure rather than cursing a game and the OP Murder/Ram Bots...


 

I really hope someone at WG gets "Woke" and really questions the (dare I say) Logic behind this new system...It's not fun...


 

Again I really do think the game has dramaticly improved since I last played a few years ago, but this latest patch was like running into a glass door or something...It's way too painful to keep doing it again and again.


Edited by Capt_Cornhole, 01 July 2018 - 08:55 PM.


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View Postbritinmadrid, on 01 July 2018 - 07:50 PM, said:

Forget your older players as they remember the old system. Rather, think about new players who 'wander in from the street'.

 

Oh I can guarantee you that most veteran players abhorr the new progression system, too. We picked up WoWp years ago because it was fun to fly. Now it's neither fun to fly, nor fun to grind. With each additional update, devs are hammering a new nail in the coffin.

BravelyRanAway #185 Posted 01 July 2018 - 09:31 PM

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View PostCapt_Cornhole, on 01 July 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

After playing now for almost a month and grinding 10 of my 11 Planes to Specialist (including 4 Premiums), I'll have to say as a Newbe..I've had enough...I

I've found myself drifting back to WoT, over the last few days. 

I like the new attrition/conquest meta, but his new grind to 'Specialist' and only getting parts for a win and then having to gamble the parts is just too(as RFC says) tedious. It's just dreadful.

If this 'Specialist' system was ever brought into WoT, WoT would collapse within a week.

WG have made lots of money aiming for the casual players, this game is not for casual players any longer, it's a major time and credit sink.

I'll still play, but not at the time levels I have been, it's bad enough dealing with bots, you can cope with that, but this 'Specialist' system is a pain in the arse.

 

Edit:- Just to say....having to grind premium planes of which I have many....words fail me.:facepalm:


Edited by BravelyRanAway, 01 July 2018 - 09:59 PM.

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houghtonbee #186 Posted 02 July 2018 - 07:58 AM

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of course they've implemented the most tedious grind system they can, purely aimed at those who will get bored easily and go to the Premium Shop to buy those 'shortcut' loot crates hoping to speed up their progress. As I said in another thread, it's the same tactics used by countless rubbish mobile phone games to keep people hooked - the equivalent of spending money on lives for Candymania or whatever. 

 

I had a relatively chore-free weekend which normally would have seen me load up WOWP for a few hours, didn't even cross my mind to do so at any point.



svadilfari #187 Posted 03 July 2018 - 07:57 AM

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either remove gold consumables or make them available for silver, but significantly more expensive.

for example 3% engine power for 10k silver. 5% for 30k.

so if you want to fully loadup your VIII-X planes you have to spend a lot of credits for it.

 

ps: does anyone actually use gold consumables?


Edited by svadilfari, 03 July 2018 - 07:58 AM.


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1. Fix FPS drops.

2. Give all premium planes "Specialist" status.



svadilfari #189 Posted 03 July 2018 - 05:01 PM

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remove the ordenance equipment slot on multirole fighters and move it to guns, airframe or engine.

using bomb reload equipment is extremely detremental as they rely heavily on speed.

arguably you shouldn´t equip bombs/rocket on some planes in the first place...



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Kids, how many times do I have to tell you that someone has to be fired?
Crashing the game by not being able to close a chat window ?!
?!?!??
After a stupid death you have to repeatedly press the BATTLE button to enter the battle. Go down to the ground and do your simple things. And then imitate dull Hollywood!


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View Postsvadilfari, on 03 July 2018 - 07:57 AM, said:

ps: does anyone actually use gold consumables?

 

Never.

I only have some gold ammo & consumables in depot that I won or  got with some planes ... never used it.

Gold is for camouflage etc ... hangar slots.



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View PostBGENGINEER, on 03 July 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

Kids, how many times do I have to tell you that someone has to be fired?
Crashing the game by not being able to close a chat window ?!
?!?!??
After a stupid death you have to repeatedly press the BATTLE button to enter the battle. Go down to the ground and do your simple things. And then imitate dull Hollywood!

 

forum rules please. 

britinmadrid #193 Posted 04 July 2018 - 05:35 PM

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 01 July 2018 - 10:31 PM, said:

Edit:- Just to say....having to grind premium planes of which I have many....words fail me.:facepalm:

 

Yep! I bought those planes under a previous business model and gameplay format.

 

EULA allows the company to do anything they want, sure - I accept that. I just 'accepted' a new EULA from the patch on this date and didn't read it as a) I'm not a lawyer and b) accept they can do anything they want to do.

 

However, I am never buying another Premium aircraft unless it is Specialised and not bundled. Watch your revenue streams, WG.



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Hello eekeeboo and all others,

 

after recovering from the new mega-grind shock, i'll try to give some constructive feedback... I can see  good intentions behind all this, but there are 3 things which really brought down my motivation.

 

1st, i really don't like how my already maxed out planes are pushed back in their development state, but that has been mentioned alot by others already. I could live with that, as the damage is repairable with doing the specialist "pre-grind" grinds. Very boring though, they are the opposite of fun. I would rather start an entirely new nation tech tree.

 

2nd, i just detest "casino calibratione" and how it works. Completely unnecessary additional frustration element in a game which suffers from player frustration. I do understand money has to be earned, but there are so many better ways to do this. I would rather pay for unique camo's for example, even without boni or such.

 

3rd and to me the most inportant, this whole thing was announced as a "large content" update. But i don't see much i would classify as new content. The new grinds are just alterations of already existent upgrade mechanisms to me. Someone else around here described them as artificial advancement brakes, i think this pretty much brings it to the point. I was hoping for some really new content, painting red circles blue is just not enough in the long run.

 

What about Attritioon as an additional battle mode ?

What about Invasion as a PVE horde mode ?

What about a simple concept copy of WOWS Co-op mode to save new pilots from being murdered by long term veteran players roaming low tiers for WR or tokens ?

What about some endgame content to give veterans some reasons to stay at high tiers ?

What about some persistant campaigns like they have them over at WOWS ?

What about a little reward system for daily activity ? Does not need to be mighty stuff, just some minor buffs to give players the feeling they did achieve something ?

 



britinmadrid #195 Posted 04 July 2018 - 08:28 PM

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View PostSturmbringer_, on 04 July 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

1st ...as the damage is repairable with doing the specialist "pre-grind" grinds. Very boring though, they are the opposite of fun. I would rather start an entirely new nation tech tree.

 

2nd, i just detest "casino calibratione" and how it works. Completely unnecessary additional frustration element in a game which suffers from player frustration. I do understand money has to be earned, but there are so many better ways to do this. I would rather pay for unique camo's for example, even without boni or such.

 

3rd and to me the most inportant, this whole thing was announced as a "large content" update. But i don't see much i would classify as new content. The new grinds are just alterations of already existent upgrade mechanisms to me. Someone else around here described them as artificial advancement brakes, i think this pretty much brings it to the point. I was hoping for some really new content, painting red circles blue is just not enough in the long run.

 

Respect, Sturm! This is a near-perfect summary of the new patch as far as I am concerned.

 

1st Boring! You are simply making me grind the same plane a second time. How is this fun? Does this make me wish to play more or spend money? Nope! New players are hammering at the door to join this shambles? Nuh uh!

 

2nd RNG! Yes, WG is a business and 'free-to-play' games are a myth as companies need to pay serious coin for staff, infrastructure et cetera. Fair enough, I say! But multiple re-rolls to get rid of Rocket reload on a Bomber? Demotivating!

 

3rd Stale! New content? Er, nope again! No new lines coupled with no new game modes seems to suggest 'emergency brakes' being applied as a company with no/poor leadership scrambles (or not) to develop new content. Solution? Set the clock back to zero and make the players do it all again. Phew! They'll never notice will they, lads?

 

3/10, WG - see me after class!


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Years ago I joined an air combat game which I enjoyed since I like ww2 planes and air combat. That was trashed and we got 2.0 with horrible unrealistic plane mechanics and this run from one side of the map to other in order to protect sectors and capture sectors. That did not seem to work out too well so now, in order to make a quick buck which I can understand in a way, we get "who can better dress their plane" you know like the barbie game my daughters play...a new dress, a new hat, a new bag and so on till one has the best barbie...how cute!!! That is the best the lady developers could come up with. Not to mention that understanding this whole approach is as complex as a nuclear physics exam! How about going back to basics people...AIR COMBAT....you know, an air combat game with emphasis on AIR COMBAT!!! I think that after 5 years and since I cannot play this thing anymore it's time to uninstall. If anyone can direct me to the Chinese server I will be grateful. Thank you.

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I said I would not comment further on this patch, but I have learned today from our Community Manager that the nerf to the Russian female pilot that renders her 'Femme Fatale' skill next to useless, including at low tiers, which was described as unintended by one WG developer, has been confirmed by the WG developer responsible for the female pilots as intentional and permanent.  She is now functioning as he wishes; that is, with a useless skill that cannot be reset.  This, in my opinion, makes her worse than a regular pilot.

It's hard to know what to say about this farce.  There was nothing in the patch notes concerning her nerf.  Her skil is still described in the game as setting ground targets on fire by shooting at the unarmoured sections of them, when now she will only set the unarmoured sections of targets on fire.  90% of the time that's useless since in shooting at soft parts of targets she will destroy them anyway.  We have one developer saying it wasn't a planned nerf and another saying it was.

I spent, like many other dedicated players of this game, an enormous amount of time over a weekend (about 50 hours in my case) to obtain this pilot.  Not two weeks later she was nerfed and now we know, despite assertions to the contrary immediately after the patch, that the developer responsible for female pilots intended this all along.

 

I am dismayed by the incompetence of the WoWP staff members; clearly the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.  More pertinently, I object very strongly to having my time wasted.  I am furious with WoWP; absolutely furious.



Grumpy_Guts #198 Posted 15 July 2018 - 07:31 PM

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Am surprised at your surprise, the game patches have not been aimed at the people playing it for a few years now.

I Expect stuff like this every time and am never disappointed. 



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View PostGrumpy_Guts, on 15 July 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

Am surprised at your surprise, the game patches have not been aimed at the people playing it for a few years now.

I Expect stuff like this every time and am never disappointed. 

 

I can explain that by saying, despite my number of battles, I am a relatively new (first battle; 24th November 2017) player of the game.  Nonetheless, I have learned my lesson.

Edited by RoyalFlyingCorps, 15 July 2018 - 08:00 PM.


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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 15 July 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

 

I can explain that by saying, despite my number of battles, I am a relatively new (first battle; 24th November 2017) player of the game.  Nonetheless, I have learned my lesson.

 

Yes I can feel and shear  your pain, I was very pleased and happy with my female pilot and she flew with bravado and distinction in my IL-2t when introduced to game.

Now seems very nerffed  and undervalued, shame. 






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