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bug #41 Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:02 AM

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Replays are enabled, thats cool. But they are default to c: and I cant find any place to change that destination. My c: partition is an SSD disk, and its pretty stuffed. I dont want to fill it up with replays, anybody know how to make the game store replays in for instance D: (where I have my game installed)?

 

And also in this patch, was flak in mid and high altitudes buffed? Like a lot? My bombers just evaporate over bases now, making them next to useless, unless I play them like ground attackers in low altitudes.


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View Postbug, on 15 June 2018 - 12:02 AM, said:

Replays are enabled, thats cool. But they are default to c: and I cant find any place to change that destination. My c: partition is an SSD disk, and its pretty stuffed.

 

This.

 

I have now spent a couple of hours observing this disaster tinkering with the new paywall patch and can offer some observations.

 

First off, all of my settings again got reset with the new patch, so I had to go through all the controls, graphics and UI. I appreciate that devs make me look into the menus from time to time, jolly good.

 

Secondly, replays, yay! Only they are forced upon my boot SSD drive, which is an interesting choice by the devs.

 

Thirdly, all the equipment shenanigans. Ah, yes, the new system, which is supposed to enable me to "tailor my plane to its strengths and to my liking and playstyle". Only the reality is, you feel worse off in pretty much every plane in your hangar that you put hundreds of hours into. I can't stress this enough: we, the players, get shat on royally by this system. For example, you need to grind for specialist status on a bomber to unlock it's bombing equipment, which really hurts high alt bombing. Not to mention we now get premium golden bombs for some even more severe P2W crap where tanks and ships are trying to gradually get away from that.

 

There's such a myriad of completely idiotic novelties that you couldn't introduce even on a severe vodka overdose. We can't put both fire extinguisher and first aid kit on the plane anymore. We are even forced to use different keybinds for consumables than before. The calibration system is needlesly convoluted and will make newbs scratch their heads to hell and back. I mean, people had problems even finding equipment in their depots before and now you want them to understand things such as "calibration range"?? Specialist missions are grindy AF and require you to play loads of games even at middle tiers. But I guess this is the new token sink that you touted?

 

In essence, your dev team managed to make players feel weaker, powerless, poor and frustrated, all in one fell swoop! I guess this does count as a kind of a success, no? (You really need to be a genious to screw up this much.) This will no doubt bring more players to this starved game! Stronk logik, Persha Studia, veri stronk!

 

I could test out some more, but there's another problem feature I got to experience in this patch: gamebreaking lag. UI says 60ms, but in reality, the game starts registering hits about 2 seconds after I hit the trigger. This is completely unplayable.

 

TL;DR: Eventhough I expect nothing less than an utter catastrophe with every new patch from Persha, you managed to surprise even me with this new dark sorcery and top all my expectations. This is like a whole new standards of failure that you introduced and will cause other WG studios to scramble and look in awe at the sheer idiocy of the design decisions herein. Bobject V4 and Mongqueror patches are like a sweet spring breeze compared to what we got here. I think Gamasutra would do good to make a feature on this abomination, so that we can talk about it on the next GDC. This needs to go into history books.

 

I hereby name this 2.0.5 patch a "paywall patch" and rate it "ebola vomit" out of ten.


 

britinmadrid #43 Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:59 AM

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Et voila ... all is revealed!

 

In the Premium Shop today 1.99 Euros for a single upgrade crate and a wide variety of bundled crates (at discounted rates, natch) for bombers, GAA et cetera. Let's be generous and say you didn't nerf my 69 aircraft, but merely added another layer on to them. That's irritating to me as a 71%+ player but I can weather the storm as I will be winning and salvaging and upgrading. I won't enjoy re-visiting old Elited planes and will bin a good number, but I can do it.

 

What about new players? They will turn up, lose the majority of their games as is the way with newbies against 71%+ players with Enhanced modules who HAVE to play low tiers to make the Tokens to try to lessen to soul-destroying grind to recover their large number of airplanes. Also, tokens can be used for free Premium Account time which is real money for students and kiddies. Upon his cross, Jesus wept! No one bothered to think this through, did they?

 

Find a way to take away Daily Missions for Tiers I - IV from accounts with Tier V+ planes. If not I will be playing 33% of my games there murdering potential new clients and driving them away.

 

If this isn't modified (not rolled back, not radically changed) then people with experience of gaming will take one look at this game and run away. Newbies will try it, weep with frustration and leave after five minutes Trust me, please - I have been gaming since the very beginning of computer games. I am not asking you for anything for myself - I can buy or grind as I have a decent salary and time on my hands. No, rather I am asking you to not drive this game into the ground. This model does not compare favourably to its stable mates from WG or to other games.

 

Your move, WG.

 



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*Edited you put a fire extinguisher, you can not put a first aid kit !! You put a medicine cabinet, you can not fire extinguisher! The most important things!

Edited by Nohe21, 18 June 2018 - 09:43 AM.
*This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks.


polt3rg3ist #45 Posted 15 June 2018 - 07:38 AM

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Wow how on earth could this happend . ill try to be positivily constructive. I am a less than casual player and reasons of that was not that i disliked airplanes -i love to play games with planes.

I started playing Wowp in the beginning of the games youth but got hooked on tanks instead. Back then the main issues was loading times to battle for me i had mobile netconnection,

now days when having fiber connection and still the que times is to long witch i under stand if there is not enough players, then we got all these bugs some has gone and some are still here ,

I know u are working to improve the game but this latest patch and the information off it came too fast ,i would rather not call this a patch i would instead call this a RESET or WIPEOUT cos

even the premium planes got nerfed in the way that i have to grind them for X amount of battles just to get the same equip slots i had before ,i under stand that to give us the in deph ability to our planes sounds god and might be really god after a while unfortunetly this for ME (less than casual player) grind them again thing is a no no. this is supposed to be an arcade game style but now looks more  go to some borderline simulator stuff ,could be nice in end .

Then there is this SALE of nessesary equipments in prem shop . at first it appears we get our planes nerfed and then to get then back up again we need to buy equipment for real money even for the prem planes ,sounds and looks awfull lot of  dont go that way  players are not stupid even my son said that this looks like sort of desiving the players and he is playing lots of online games that involves  sort of microtransactions . THE GOD THING ABOUT PREM SHOP now we get to buy the crates that gives us free xp ,gold,prem time,creds,equip-like at christmas time -

i would say NICE one i need the xp to WoT and gold is god thing to have to. but for the plane side ill walk slowly im not up for the grind again sorry.



McTorpe #46 Posted 15 June 2018 - 08:12 AM

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Si Wargaming lo hace estos cambios de equipamiento, consumibles y mejoras en WoT...

If Wargaming does this equipment, consumables and improvements changes in WoT...

 

Como se dice por aquí, "¿A que no hay huevos?".



edkum #47 Posted 15 June 2018 - 08:15 AM

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What about the hits registering bug? Anyone else experienced it?

omglaserspewpew #48 Posted 15 June 2018 - 08:18 AM

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View Postedkum, on 15 June 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

What about the hits registering bug? Anyone else experienced it?

 

That's what I meant with lag. The server itself seems to register hits, because I do kill targets, but the games takes 2-3 seconds to show that to me. :facepalm:

Sabbatex_KLR #49 Posted 15 June 2018 - 08:21 AM

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I will setup my pc again later this year to play tanks, but not planes. Any other non-wg games you recommend?

houghtonbee #50 Posted 15 June 2018 - 08:23 AM

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View Postedkum, on 15 June 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

What about the hits registering bug? Anyone else experienced it?

 

Yep, how on earth this patch has been released with such a basic bug in it is beyond belief. 

eekeeboo #51 Posted 15 June 2018 - 08:57 AM

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Just so you know I am reading and putting this into feedback. Good and bad, keep up the feedback, this will help. If there are good things, don't hesitate to point these out also if you have them, so I can include them. 

Isoruku_Yamamoto #52 Posted 15 June 2018 - 09:05 AM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 15 June 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

Just so you know I am reading and putting this into feedback. Good and bad, keep up the feedback, this will help. If there are good things, don't hesitate to point these out also if you have them, so I can include them. 

 

In general i think i can sum the problems up with just 4 points:

1. We want fire ext and med kits to both be available at once

2. We want upgrades to feel like upgrades, so get rid of the ridiculous trade offs. This goes especially for bombers i think. 

3. We want upgrades for each thing thing an aircraft reasonably has. So if a (premium0 GA has a turret, give it a turret slot. If it has guns too, give it a gun slot too. If it has bombs and rockets too, give it ordnance slot too. If it has engines too, give it an engine slot. If it has a cockpit, give it a cockpit slot. 
Now that may seem OP, but this is an effect the development called upon itself: If you bring upgrades in this style we want them all. And we want them to be upgrades, not swing around downgrades. 

 

4 Next thing: I think it is utterly horrendous that i have to re-grind all of my planes, especially premiums, to get them to specialist status while i would have easily met those requirements by now. is there no way to track this back over past performance? Or just automatically make any already owned aircraft specialist? 

 

Also the rocket sight has to be the worst "upgrade" one could possibly imagine. 

 

Ill give something good too:

- I like how the credit cost for universal ammo seems to effectively have gone down, it is much more accessible to GA and heavies now

- The idea of tailoring is nice, it has just been performed absolutely hideously

- I think it is good that you guys seem open for suggestions & i hope by heart that you will in fact cancel out at least 90% of the current disadvantages in the upgrades. Doing so would actually make this a potentially fun upgrade, but it definitely needs a lot of rework. 

 

Question:

- Some skills affected previously available equipment. How does this currently translate to the new equipment?


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View PostIsoruku_Yamamoto, on 15 June 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

So if a (premium) GA has a turret, give it a turret slot. If it has guns too, give it a gun slot too. If it has bombs and rockets too, give it ordnance slot too. If it has engines too, give it an engine slot. If it has a cockpit, give it a cockpit slot.

 

I second this emotion ... and same goes for heavy fighters.

Why only turret equipment for (some?) bombers ??



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The most important thing is to fix FPS drops.

 

Developers put alot effort into this equipment changes. And that was not really needed. We need bug fixes. The game code is broken.

 

Please dont be like WOWS team (that forces manga over basic things like replays or UI scaling). Choose your priorities wisely.


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SgtR3dP3pp3R #55 Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:30 AM

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Thanks wg..you had a good game.. its was fun. planes where setup just as i wanted... well not anymore.

So thanks for nothing and  f..ing up another  one of your games..

 



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And after many times before Persha did it again, changed thing which was not broken and no one asked for. Looks like Persha guys are bored, think game is perfect and there is nothing to do or the Persha boss is Warthunder agent and is trying to destroy WoWP for many years in row. WoT patches are full of positive things meanwhile WoWP patches are full of disaster and grief with plenty of bugs and other broken stuff as bonus. 

 

Only way is to roll back to preview version and next time use brain. There is no reason to use new equipment at all.

 

Game has so many problems and devs waste time on patch like this.. just to name a few:

- optimization

- mediocre sounds

- all guns feels generic 

- guns sounds are generic 

- planes feels generic 

- game play is generic and gets old fast

- bots decide wins for you, bots are too strong for new and average players 

- battles are not immersive


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I noticed another bug yesterday (since all my settings had gotten reset. Thanks for that, by the way. Really reminds me of the good old alpha and beta test days).

 

For some reason I can't get out of the joystick advanced configuration screen by pushing any of the "positive" buttons to save changes. I have to select cancel every time. It seems to save my settings anyway, though, but someone really did a number on it since it worked fine before.

 

You asked for any positive feedback... Well, I'm really liking the new icons for the autocannon and machinegun modules. I'm not trying to be a bag of genitalia and I'm really sorry to say this, but I haven't noticed anything else positive yet and I really had to dig to even find that one..

 

The strange FPS drops have seemed to get worse and playing the game has become beyond cumbersome due to the enormous lag in hit detection both when I hit enemies and when they hit me. Luckily my friend who started playing on Wednesday didn't experience it or just didn't notice.

 

Another thing that really, REALLY worries me is the blatant and looming pay-to-win system implemented with the materials that you receive from battles (FOR NOW, it really scares me that this is promoted as a 'special', indicating that 'this feature is going away soon buahahaha'), but you can also receive by buying something strangely reminiscent of loot boxes. I hope you guys at WG have followed the news and seen how well that whole debacle went down with EA games. Many a great game have been run to the ground with shenanigans like that.

 

When it comes to equipment, the downsides to them are just too heavy for me to want to install any of those in any of my planes. The way you've limited the possibilities of installing them has been advertised as promoting 'builds' and customizing the plane to fit your play style more, but from my point of view, it seems to be doing the opposite. We had an assortment of buffs for our planes that we could freely choose three upgrades from. That's what I call customization, not being forced to jump through hoops and then still not being able to set up the plane the way you used to have it, and that goes even without mentioning the huge kick in your face you get via the enormous nerfs to other characteristics.

 

And finally, the biggest gripe I have is that you took away the monkey-friday-ing consumable slots and really did a number on what you can have in your plane. Yes, I have had a good night's sleep on it, but whenever I think about it, it still makes me angry, frustrated and most of all disappointed. You had just made the game fun again after the disappointment it was at and after release, especially after such a fun and promising alpha test.

 

Summa summarum, I know your developers and designers have tried to bring more variety to the game by doing this along with RPG style builds for planes, but it just ended up feeling super restricted and stiff (in all the wrong ways).


Franco_Scala, on 15 June 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

You can't have your cake and have [whopee] with it


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View PostEnsign_Steel, on 15 June 2018 - 10:50 AM, said:

I noticed another bug yesterday (since all my settings had gotten reset. Thanks for that, by the way. Really reminds me of the good old alpha and beta test days).

 

For some reason I can't get out of the joystick advanced configuration screen by pushing any of the "positive" buttons to save changes. I have to select cancel every time. It seems to save my settings anyway, though, but someone really did a number on it since it worked fine before.

 

You asked for any positive feedback... Well, I'm really liking the new icons for the autocannon and machinegun modules. I'm not trying to be a bag of genitalia and I'm really sorry to say this, but I haven't noticed anything else positive yet and I really had to dig to even find that one..

 

The strange FPS drops have seemed to get worse and playing the game has become beyond cumbersome due to the enormous lag in hit detection both when I hit enemies and when they hit me. Luckily my friend who started playing on Wednesday didn't experience it or just didn't notice.

 

Another thing that really, REALLY worries me is the blatant and looming pay-to-win system implemented with the materials that you receive from battles (FOR NOW, it really scares me that this is promoted as a 'special', indicating that 'this feature is going away soon buahahaha'), but you can also receive by buying something strangely reminiscent of loot boxes. I hope you guys at WG have followed the news and seen how well that whole debacle went down with EA games. Many a great game have been run to the ground with shenanigans like that.

 

When it comes to equipment, the downsides to them are just too heavy for me to want to install any of those in any of my planes. The way you've limited the possibilities of installing them has been advertised as promoting 'builds' and customizing the plane to fit your play style more, but from my point of view, it seems to be doing the opposite. We had an assortment of buffs for our planes that we could freely choose three upgrades from. That's what I call customization, not being forced to jump through hoops and then still not being able to set up the plane the way you used to have it, and that goes even without mentioning the huge kick in your face you get via the enormous nerfs to other characteristics.

 

And finally, the biggest gripe I have is that you took away the monkey-friday-ing consumable slots and really did a number on what you can have in your plane. Yes, I have had a good night's sleep on it, but whenever I think about it, it still makes me angry, frustrated and most of all disappointed. You had just made the game fun again after the disappointment it was at and after release, especially after such a fun and promising alpha test.

 

Summa summarum, I know your developers and designers have tried to bring more variety to the game by doing this along with RPG style builds for planes, but it just ended up feeling super restricted and stiff (in all the wrong ways).

 

Commendable write-up.

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would add a 'like' for Ensign_Steel's post if I could.

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View Post_Desper, on 15 June 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

WoT patches are full of positive things

 

OMG :)




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