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Wayward_Current #1 Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:08 AM

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I strongly oppose XVM like mods in warplanes which are reportedly in development and some home-made 2.0 adaptations are actually already operational., as game becames more and more popular.

I think WG should take emediate action to ban this from World of Warplanes while its time.

Knowing which player is good, or just a human,during intense battle and showing this in battle clearly visible to distinguish human planes from bots gives enormus advantage and ruins the game.

It  summs up:  some players are able to dettect strongest player in team, human player, and chase the one all the time is ruining the game.

Its against the  tradition of chivalry in aerial combat and ruins  gameplay experience for the player that has been targeted.

 

Recently I noticed I am victim of delibearte attacks ,deliberate chasing by other human players ...how can they know from all those planes in a distance where I am?.I die, I reboot, and the same planes are chasing me again actively searching for me acros the map. There must be some lamp over my plane  telling I am human player .

 

In the heat of the battle I can't distinguish who is human who is bot, but I am sure some players have mod that enables them to have visualy marked human players and this gives advantage.

 

Does anyone has same experience?

 

I am starting this debate as a form of prevention. I understand many people think its nice, but while its debatable is this  a cheat in World of Tanks, in World of Warplanes, with all the bots and how aerial combat is distinguished from land combat this is clearly a cheating. And most importantly its ruinig the game experience of the other players.


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View PostWayward_Current, on 14 June 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

Recently I noticed I am victim of delibearte attacks ,deliberate chasing by other human players ...how can they know from all those planes in a distance where I am?.I die, I reboot, and the same planes are chasing me again actively searching for me acros the map. There must be some lamp over my plane  telling I am human player ( most important).

Nothing to do with XVM. On the mini map enemy planes are bright red arrows, dull red ones are defenders. I generally try to kill the bright red ones first. If after travelling across the map to get to the 'bright red arrows' I'll press 'alt' when nearly there to see which ones are a name I recognise, as team bots have single generic names which you will get to know.

There is a mod which will mark the bots on either team with a '*' ...it's here... http://forum.worldofwarplanes.eu/index.php?/topic/49465-20413-whos-the-ai-bots/ ...not sure if it works for the latest update.


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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 14 June 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

Nothing to do with XVM. On the mini map enemy planes are bright red arrows, dull red ones are defenders. I generally try to kill the bright red ones first. If after travelling across the map to get to the 'bright red arrows' I'll press 'alt' when nearly there to see which ones are a name I recognise, as team bots have single generic names which you will get to know.

There is a mod which will mark the bots on either team with a '*' ...it's here... http://forum.worldofwarplanes.eu/index.php?/topic/49465-20413-whos-the-ai-bots/ ...not sure if it works for the latest update.

 

 

I am afraid I was not precise enough.

I am not talking about defending bots planes which are more than obvious.

 

I am talking that in  air combat of "players" (majority  of them are  again bots) against "players (again many are bots) I have feeling some players, not many but some,during the chaos of air battle  already have a tool that shows them which one is bot which one human player.  This is enormus advantage.

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 14 June 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

...not sure if it works for the latest update.

 

Nope.

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View PostWayward_Current, on 14 June 2018 - 09:29 AM, said:

 

 

I am afraid I was not precise enough.

I am not talking about defending bots planes which are more than obvious.

 

I am talking that in  air combat of "players" (majority  of them are  again bots) against "players (again many are bots) I have feeling some players, not many but some,during the chaos of air battle  already have a tool that shows them which one is bot which one human player.  This is enormus advantage.

I covered that as well in my post.


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View PostWayward_Current, on 14 June 2018 - 09:29 AM, said:

 

I am talking that in  air combat of "players" (majority  of them are  again bots) against "players (again many are bots) I have feeling some players, not many but some,during the chaos of air battle  already have a tool that shows them which one is bot which one human player.  This is enormus advantage.

 

That is what he tried to show you. A mod that put an asterisk (star) in ftront of bots "names".

However, enormous advantage?



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View Postbug, on 14 June 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:

 

That is what he tried to show you. A mod that put an asterisk (star) in ftront of bots "names".

However, enormous advantage?

 

Actually, not needed at all.

 

Bots are Ostap, Albrecht, Otto etc... not a sinle one is bug, Wayward_Current, BravelyRanAway, zen_monk_

 



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View Postzen_monk_, on 14 June 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

 

Actually, not needed at all.

 

Bots are Ostap, Albrecht, Otto etc... not a sinle one is bug, Wayward_Current, BravelyRanAway, zen_monk_

 

 

This. I use this all the time. 

As a general guideline the following 2-stage holds for identifying a player as being non-bot:

(bots always have a single word name, with only letters, starting by a Capital followed by smalls: Abcdefg)

 

1. The name contains symbols (!,_1/?6], doesnt start with a capital letter or has a cpital letter somewhere else. Examples:

Wayward_Current fails by containing an underscore & having a capital C half way. Same for Isoruku_Yamamoto. My name also contains a spelling error, which can hint too. 

bug fails by not starting with a capital. 
2. A bot generally has a name of its planes nation. For instance: a german may be named Hans or Friedrich, but not Isoroku (which is actually a japanese bot name). 
If you see a Me262 flying around named Isoroku it WILL be a human player. If you see a Me262 named Hans flying around its likely to be bot, if hes called hans he will be human due to rule 1. 

 

A third rule can be used:

 

Rule 3 is gameplay observation rather than name analysis: 

- If a plane goes into chasing deadlock with you, its often a human player. Only few bots do this. 

- If a plane dodges your rockets the very instant you fire them, its a bot. Bots have been confirmed to do this, humans cant unless they anticipate rockets coming in. 

So if a plane behaves bot like hell be a bot, if he behaves humanlike hell be human. Makes sense right?



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And even more - you can just right click the names in player list mode (it's when you press Tab). Once you got a drop-down menu (Message, Add to Friends, etc.) - that's a human. Bots don't have any menu popping up. So this way is 150% reliable. Next step - you just fly int alt mode (it's when you press 'Alt' key) , but you need to adjust key settings and set it not to 'Hold' but to 'Toggle' then , after just pressing Alt key, you'll have all the markers on the planes (including pilot name), so targeting good human players (they are on the top of that 'Tab' table) is quite easy (if you need it) 

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jakub_czyli_ja #10 Posted 14 June 2018 - 04:57 PM

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Rule of thumb is to kill everything, bots are more or leass easy to identify, so XVM would be important only in case of having few human targets, and no idea who is bigger threat.

 


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Totally uselless and nonsense post. 

 

1. You dont need xvm to tell who is bot and player

2. With current tiny population you will sooner or later will know all players and their skill anyway. 

3. After last patch and another player's drop it will be even easier to memory all playing players



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View PostWayward_Current, on 14 June 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

as game becames more and more popular

 

xDDDDDD

 

Good joke mate, You really made me laugh 



Nishi_Kinuyo #13 Posted 17 June 2018 - 03:44 PM

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Although the reasoning is, imo, partially wrong, I do agree that an XVM-like mod for warplanes is a bad thing.

Just look at what it did to WoT; it made the players, chat, and community toxic, necessitating the removal of cross-team chat during battles.

 

Recognising enemy players is one of the things I typically do when approaching a group of enemies; no need for mods at all to do that.



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WoT community always was toxic, like I guess every MMO community.

 

It doesn't help that noskills are being matched with unicums - former are frustrated for being slaughtered by the latter, and the latter are being frustrated for having to drag dead weight.

 


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View Postjakub_czyli_ja, on 17 June 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

WoT community always was toxic, like I guess every MMO community.

 

It doesn't help that noskills are being matched with unicums - former are frustrated for being slaughtered by the latter, and the latter are being frustrated for having to drag dead weight.

 

Eh, from what I noticed yesterday, its not just that.

I've had a somewhat competent opponent in a Spitfire XIV accusing me of cheats and hacks because I outplayed him in my Ki-94-II.

Two fairly evenly matched planes where the biggest equaliser is, I think, pilot skills and equipment.

Maybe he was flying above his optimum altitude too, can't remember and would have to check the replay.



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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 18 June 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

I've had a somewhat competent opponent in a Spitfire XIV accusing me of cheats and hacks because I outplayed him in my Ki-94-II.

Personally, I'd take what he said as a huge compliment!.....well done!:honoring:


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Wayward_Current #17 Posted 19 June 2018 - 08:54 AM

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I want to report that feature of  planes during battle marked as SPECIALIST is detrimental for the game.

 

I was warned by other player and I didn't listened but now I can confirm this is ruining experience, because player who has specialist plane is clearly visible in battle and is a victim of deliberate attacks.


I have a battle reply stored if wanted I can upload, I made a test on my own. I was in Me 109 B tier IV, and player, a good one was tier V Spitfire, My plane was not  specialist. I ruined guys's game by having clear advantage of been able to spot his big Specialist "wing mark "over his plane.

 I was able to easily pinpoint him in the heat of the battle and killed him few times effectively ruining game for him.

His plane was clearly marked for me,while  I was just one of many planes he was facing .


Please guys in developing team, please in the next pach give option for players to hide "Specialist" marking of their plane in battle.


This is serrious issue.

 

 


 


 

*this  post is coppied and paste in 2.05 feedback thread.


Edited by Wayward_Current, 19 June 2018 - 08:56 AM.


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Eventually youre going to get specialist on that plane too , and he will be able to spot you easy too.It's few days after patch, ofc there are not many specialists yet. Bots dont really care.
And to be honest, when youre a bad [edited]motherfcuker like Red Baron, you paint your aircraft RED, so poor victims know who shreded them.

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View PostWayward_Current, on 19 June 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

I want to report that feature of  planes during battle marked as SPECIALIST is detrimental for the game.

 

I was warned by other player and I didn't listened but now I can confirm this is ruining experience, because player who has specialist plane is clearly visible in battle and is a victim of deliberate attacks.


I have a battle reply stored if wanted I can upload, I made a test on my own. I was in Me 109 B tier IV, and player, a good one was tier V Spitfire, My plane was not  specialist. I ruined guys's game by having clear advantage of been able to spot his big Specialist "wing mark "over his plane.

 I was able to easily pinpoint him in the heat of the battle and killed him few times effectively ruining game for him.

His plane was clearly marked for me,while  I was just one of many planes he was facing .


Please guys in developing team, please in the next pach give option for players to hide "Specialist" marking of their plane in battle.


This is serrious issue.

 

 


 


 

*this  post is coppied and paste in 2.05 feedback thread.

 

Agreed, but it will last only a month or so. By the end of summer, all of our favorite planes will be specialists. Upgraded or not doesn't matter, we will all have those wings there. So it will come down to as before, ones with asterix and ones without.

 

Now the real badass thing would be not to accept upgrade to Specialist so you can fly incognito and kick some major but.


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View Postzen_monk_, on 19 June 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

 

Agreed, but it will last only a month or so. By the end of summer, all of our favorite planes will be specialists. Upgraded or not doesn't matter, we will all have those wings there. So it will come down to as before, ones with asterix and ones without.

 

Now the real badass thing would be not to accept upgrade to Specialist so you can fly incognito and kick some major but.

 

 


But  since  bot planes will not have specialist markings players will recognise themselves.

Considering situation in many battles will be one or 2 players on each side .

In my opinion this will result in separation of game experience into personal duels, with the "coulisse" of bots in between. It will change the game experience in to a duel of specialists.
 

It will also cause  dissatissfaction in case of unequal terms. Let say you see enemy specialist got top tier and powerful fighter, you are lower tier and bomber.
 

In fact I had such battle last night. I was Ju 88A bomber, and only specialist in game, enemy team had Lockheed-P-38F specialist(pink). I wanted to quit game but still played just to prove my feeling right.
 

Of course guy has chased me all the time and killed me as many time as possible to respawn until game ended with abysmall result on my sde, which was totaly predictable at the start.I have that replay to.
 

I hope WG reads this, I know what am I saying,this is not good.


 


Edited by Wayward_Current, 19 June 2018 - 09:37 AM.





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