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_Vagonbrei_ #1 Posted 14 June 2018 - 01:37 PM

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... this became more ridiculous than expected.

 

First of all the module system is absolutely hilarious. Only nerf can be applied on any planes.

For example the old gun sight gave 10% accuracy (15% in some high tiers), now the stock one gives 5% (can be rolled to 9% roflmao) and comes with an additional nerf even when upgraded (=bigger nerfs). Airframes gave 3% maneuverability, now only 1% for specified axis along with an additional nerf. And so on. What the %@#ß?!

Extra bonuses? More modules in Specialist mode? Bullshiet!

 

I applied Gunsight, Lightweight Wing Frame and Lightweight Power Unit on my F-84B.

+5% accuracy (insted of +10%): -5% nerf (compared to the old one)

-3% pilot resistance: nerf

+5% roll (omfg who the hell cares about roll turn?!): useless

+1% maneuverability in turns (instead of +3%): -2% nerf (-5% if both old frame counted)

-1% hp: nerf

-3% wing resistance: nerf

+2% yaw turn (instead of +3% from the old frame in all axes): nerf

+1% turn (same as above): nerf

-3% engine resistance: nerf

 

This is a PURE NERF on a plane! Seriously what the %@#ß?!

Same situation or even worse with heavy fighters and GAAs.

 

Having the opportunity to enhance these upgrades or reroll 'em is the top of level of idiotism. Nothing but wasting time for additional nerfs and useless craps.

 

First Aid and Extinguisher cannot be applied at the same time?! I have to chose between flying with a stupid pilot for a long time or letting my plane burn down?! What the %@#ß?!

 

And for the end what the hell happened with the game itself? I mean I'm in the battle like not in real time. All sond and visual effect are in late compared to the screen but still not in real time (with 30 - 50 ping).

- Attacking a plane, shoting on him and nothing (absolute nothing) happens for long seconds and suddenly I see on the notification the plane is dead I killed it. After ~10 seconds wrrroooaaam all the gun and hit sounds came from nowhere and bumm, the previously killed plane blasted. What the %@#ß?!

- Flying in the open, none is around me, nothing happens, going to the next base and from nowhere I just see my hp is down and I'm dead. Again after ~10 seconds I hear the hit sound, seeing my hp bar depleting and the game says on the left I've been killed. What the %@#ß?!

- Lowering to repair in Airfield flying around two - three times, I see the icon and the glowing hp bar like in normal but nothing happens.

Flying away and about 10 sec later far from the Airfield  I just see my hp bar is boosting up like hell. What the %@#ß?!

- Entering into dogfight shoting the target weapons gets overheat and nothing happens. 10 sec? :D later everything is done with lightpeed. Shoting sound, hit sign, blast, dmg, kill under 1 sec. What the %@#ß?!

 

In summary this is the prefect solution for preventing me to spend one more single penny for this game and making one less customer and player until the old module system gets reverted.

 

Seriously Pure Bullsh*t! Only the "Maneuverability in turns" is the important with this build but thats actually a nerf too compared to the old system. Only nerf applied, only!



Funny_Farmer #2 Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:06 PM

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Why even change the equipment screen? There are many problems in the game so they put a lot of work into something that actually was OK. BTW has anyone figured out how to become "specialist"?

 

Also I am a bit appalled by consumables available only for gold..


 

 


 


 



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THis garbage is simply unplayable. You have no clue when you hit or you hit. I even had head on ram with someone and we continue to fly just to pop up both after few seconds. Or you shoot, , nothing happens then you hear trtrtrtrtrtrtr in one second insta gib.Seriously , if you want to shut it down just shut it down. Its embarassing to just waste people time like this.

Killtech #4 Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:37 PM

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... so it's more about tweaking your plane stats rather than making it more powerful?

 

if equipment now isn't a must have in order to stay competitive and all the new progression stuff doesn't just add power creep that this is probably not so bad. the opposite would rather be more problematic. 

 

the reports about lag are interesting. sounds like servers have trouble to keep up. either there is some performance heavy bug with one of the changes on the back end or the number of players that logged in is too large for the servers. 



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View PostKilltech, on 14 June 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:

... so it's more about tweaking your plane stats rather than making it more powerful?

 

if equipment now isn't a must have in order to stay competitive and all the new progression stuff doesn't just add power creep that this is probably not so bad. the opposite would rather be more problematic. 

 

the reports about lag are interesting. sounds like servers have trouble to keep up. either there is some performance heavy bug with one of the changes on the back end or the number of players that logged in is too large for the servers. 

 

i guess the second 1 i see a lot more humans around lately ( mid tier especially)

Moerdergrube #6 Posted 21 June 2018 - 06:01 AM

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View PostFunny_Farmer, on 14 June 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

Why even change the equipment screen? There are many problems in the game so they put a lot of work into something that actually was OK. BTW has anyone figured out how to become "specialist"?

 

Also I am a bit appalled by consumables available only for gold..


 

 


 


 

You have a bar in the right above corner of your screen. Click and you see missions. You can also buy for token.



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With this patch they are really running the game into the ground. Instead of fixing at least some of the many old issues they trow this crap into our face and add more bugs.

Overall it is a massive nerf, and they expect us to spend ages to setup our planes AGAIN.

This [edited]gambling improvement system is such a bad idea and to me the biggest issue. I really tried to be positive as much as possible but this crapis just unbelievable.

I really liked this game and ignored all the bugs but now its pure frustation. To more I try to make this work for me the more I get pissed.

They also did a huge step towards pay to win and I don't see how new players can have any fun with this game anymore.



Dhilys #8 Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:39 AM

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my 2 cents on  calibration/specialist planes exp ( 2 planes grinded the A6m3 exp, and the P47B)

 

equipment calibration only has a big positive effect on premium planes ( it does make a huge difference)
while on the normal tech tree planes it seems calibration actually weakens the plane a lot more even if the calibrations in itself are positive

 

 it feels like the calibrations where only implemented/tested with premium planes in mind so yeah its a mixed bag tbh

 

My advice Calibrations and specialist status are only worth it for premium planes

 

( on a side note the grinding with the P47B was pure and utter maddening trial, the airkills are completely unsuited for a MR)


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Feedback threads are the best bet for some posts here. Calibration and further enhancement is not forced action, it is something you can do if you choose to. 

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Ah I get it now! This is the same gaming theory used for the world of tanks matchmaker. Let me explain....

 

I studied the wot mm patent a few years ago. It's very complex but there's an algorithm that looks at your last ten (?) games played. It then gives you a rating for the mm next game. It tries to keep everyone at a 50% winrate. The reason this happens is that wg has a theory that to keep players interested and playing a game it is necessary to have them as close to 50% as possible. So that a very good player won't get bored with a high winrate and a poor player won't be put off by losing all the time.

 

You will notice that players in warplanes have a very high winrate, and a lot have left the game. Also there are players with extremely low winrate. So in order to balance the game wg have introduced this new equipment etc in a way that you don't become as op as before, in some ways best to stick at stock plane, as said in posts above. This is giving low winrate players the chance for their playing skills to shine through rather than being smashed by someone with a maxed out plane.

 

It's actually the best way forward for warplanes to survive and build.



Isoruku_Yamamoto #11 Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:23 AM

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View PostCyclonite_, on 21 June 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

Ah I get it now! This is the same gaming theory used for the world of tanks matchmaker. Let me explain....

 

I studied the wot mm patent a few years ago. It's very complex but there's an algorithm that looks at your last ten (?) games played. It then gives you a rating for the mm next game. It tries to keep everyone at a 50% winrate. The reason this happens is that wg has a theory that to keep players interested and playing a game it is necessary to have them as close to 50% as possible. So that a very good player won't get bored with a high winrate and a poor player won't be put off by losing all the time.

 

You will notice that players in warplanes have a very high winrate, and a lot have left the game. Also there are players with extremely low winrate. So in order to balance the game wg have introduced this new equipment etc in a way that you don't become as op as before, in some ways best to stick at stock plane, as said in posts above. This is giving low winrate players the chance for their playing skills to shine through rather than being smashed by someone with a maxed out plane.

 

It's actually the best way forward for warplanes to survive and build.

 

I dont think it works that way but okay. If it does: 
A workaround with the winrate thingy is just to log out & back in again if you feel like you've won too often in a row, it terminates your server session so if any of said is true that would be a perfect solution (long term winrate fixing wouldnt work, since it wouldnt allow a person to change its skill level). 



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View PostIsoruku_Yamamoto, on 21 June 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

 

I dont think it works that way but okay. If it does: 
A workaround with the winrate thingy is just to log out & back in again if you feel like you've won too often in a row, it terminates your server session so if any of said is true that would be a perfect solution (long term winrate fixing wouldnt work, since it wouldnt allow a person to change its skill level). 

 

It does work that way, but I did say that's the WoT mm, to show you how WG are thinking. 

Logging out wouldn't make any difference (again in wot this is) because the rating is assigned to you  and just carries on the next time you play.



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View PostCyclonite_, on 21 June 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

It does work that way, but I did say that's the WoT mm,

 

Apart from it isn't the WoT mm.

 

If you really studied the patent you would have found it describes several different methods which cannot all be implemented at the same time, including just throw teams together randomly.  But you didn't study anything, you read something on a tin foil hat web page.



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View Posteekeeboo, on 21 June 2018 - 10:16 AM, said:

Feedback threads are the best bet for some posts here. Calibration and further enhancement is not forced action, it is something you can do if you choose to. 

 

You are forced to do calibration, cause this is the only way to bring your plane, where it was once. Btw.! This is why almost all players are angry, but the staff of WG thinks, people are happy, cause they gave them crap as usual.

https://picload.org/...t_168.jpg.html  And i am not sure, if the effects are correct in game! My bombs should recover 31% faster. They still need 70 sec. I couldnt remember, that bevor 2.05 they needed 101 sec to recover. And the Speed penalty of 5,8% is insane, if i am allowed to say so. To implement such buggy crap, without let us test it, as usual, is ignorance.



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View PostHomer_J, on 21 June 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

 

Apart from it isn't the WoT mm.

 

If you really studied the patent you would have found it describes several different methods which cannot all be implemented at the same time, including just throw teams together randomly.  But you didn't study anything, you read something on a tin foil hat web page.

 

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View PostMoerdergrube, on 21 June 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

 

You are forced to do calibration, cause this is the only way to bring your plane, where it was once. Btw.! This is why almost all players are angry, but the staff of WG thinks, people are happy, cause they gave them crap as usual.

https://picload.org/...t_168.jpg.html  And i am not sure, if the effects are correct in game! My bombs should recover 31% faster. They still need 70 sec. I couldnt remember, that bevor 2.05 they needed 101 sec to recover. And the Speed penalty of 5,8% is insane, if i am allowed to say so. To implement such buggy crap, without let us test it, as usual, is ignorance.

Reload speed change: increase in reload speed, not decrease in reload time

100%+31% speed= 131% speed = 1/1,31 time

=0,763 time

=76,3%time= 23,7% time decrease. 

Hope that helps.

Reload of 90s is cut to about 68s which checks out right?



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View PostMoerdergrube, on 21 June 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

 

You are forced to do calibration, cause this is the only way to bring your plane, where it was once. Btw.! This is why almost all players are angry, but the staff of WG thinks, people are happy, cause they gave them crap as usual.

https://picload.org/...t_168.jpg.html  And i am not sure, if the effects are correct in game! My bombs should recover 31% faster. They still need 70 sec. I couldnt remember, that bevor 2.05 they needed 101 sec to recover. And the Speed penalty of 5,8% is insane, if i am allowed to say so. To implement such buggy crap, without let us test it, as usual, is ignorance.

 

You are not forced to do anything in this game. You choose to play it and choose to play it the way you want to. You are welcome to test anything you can and submit results. Any errors found will then be sent off to be investigated and looked at. 

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View PostCyclonite_, on 21 June 2018 - 11:31 AM, said:

 

It does work that way, but I did say that's the WoT mm, to show you how WG are thinking. 

No...it doesn't...not even in WoT.


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View Posteekeeboo, on 22 June 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

 

You are not forced to do anything in this game. You choose to play it and choose to play it the way you want to. You are welcome to test anything you can and submit results. Any errors found will then be sent off to be investigated and looked at.

 

With patch 2.0.5 all equipment was removed from the planes - this was a big nerf. If we want to bring our planes somewhere near the behaviour before the patch we HAVE to use the new enhancement/calibration system.

What we CAN choose is if we still want to play this game or not (or if we want to fly nerfed planes)

So this WAS forced on us.

Maybe you should start a poll to see how many players like this new system but I don't think the outcome will be that good.

In my opinion a better way would have been to keep the old equipment system and offer a way to improve this equipment (like now with boni/mali but not this shitty random stuff)

If this would have been tested before implementation then the current situation could have been prevented but now crapalready happened and that's it.


 

@Cyclonite your theory about the mm is just stupid. Elvis is dead and men set foot on the moon.



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View Postklbergmen, on 22 June 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

 

 

The poll on forums full of people who want 1.9 to come back too? ;)  That poll wasn't exactly representative either.




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