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crzyhawk #561 Posted 03 July 2020 - 08:31 PM

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Yes.  Planes are balanced by tier, and specialization makes a plane nearly a tier better in many if not most cases. To pretend otherwise is simply dis-ingenious.  Can players win encounters when down a tier or two?  Sure.  But putting 4 specialists on one team, and none on the other team is a significant shift in power.

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prawiejakzywiec666 #562 Posted 04 July 2020 - 06:26 AM

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What wins the game is the players with brains and tactical approach. Specialization is just additional couple of % to speed or turn. I've seen so many clueless specced pilots in the game that I started not to pay too much attention to that. 

At the beginning of the match I check the player's names and know from the start that it will be a hard fight.

My private observation is that many players are pushing too fast to go to higher tiers (like 5-10 - yes, 5 is a high tier when you encounter pro players a lot of times). I do not know why. Is it because of daily missions? Example from yesterday: map with 2 CCs, 2 factories and an airport. Our specced Horten player goes directly to our factory and is shooting ground targets with it. At the end of the battle he endes up with 1 or 2 air kills, was shot down several times and had as much damage to ground targets as to aerial one.

Zen_monk is 100% right - what counts is the experience not the specialization.


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Mournfull #563 Posted 04 July 2020 - 10:42 AM

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View Postprawiejakzywiec666, on 04 July 2020 - 06:26 AM, said:

What wins the game is the players with brains and tactical approach. Specialization is just additional couple of % to speed or turn. I've seen so many clueless specced pilots in the game that I started not to pay too much attention to that. 

At the beginning of the match I check the player's names and know from the start that it will be a hard fight.

My private observation is that many players are pushing too fast to go to higher tiers (like 5-10 - yes, 5 is a high tier when you encounter pro players a lot of times). I do not know why. Is it because of daily missions? Example from yesterday: map with 2 CCs, 2 factories and an airport. Our specced Horten player goes directly to our factory and is shooting ground targets with it. At the end of the battle he endes up with 1 or 2 air kills, was shot down several times and had as much damage to ground targets as to aerial one.

Zen_monk is 100% right - what counts is the experience not the specialization.

 

This!!

I was in  tier 7 multi that wasn't upgraded and my team had 2 specialized players tier 8, 1 in Spitfire and the other in a Horten.

The Horten tried to dogfight Yak fighters and the Spitfire tried chasing down the premium RB17 from the other side most of the time.

All the while they were insulting people in chat because we were doing badly as a team and giving advice!

If you looked at the teams you would have thought we'd have won it easily because they had 2 players specced out and the other team didn't

The other team did well though and flew their planes how they were meant to be flown and kicked our arses.

 

There are some players that are always in specialized planes and I know if they are on my team we will more than likely lose.

 

 

 



Ziptop #564 Posted 04 July 2020 - 11:22 AM

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Yes, there are mediocre or poor players who have specialized their planes. I have seen them too. 

 

However, there are also many experienced players who have specialized their planes also and on the whole it is these players who are represented more.

 

Specialization will offer a mediocre pilot an edge over a mediocre pilot in the same (or similar) unspecialized plane. 

Likewise the same is true for experienced pilots. 

 

If specialization offered nothing except a dull grind and a stack of resources/funds to achieve it nobody except the clinically OCD would bother. - and yet I see a lot of extremely experienced players with special wings.

Why is that if there is no advantage provided? are they all clinically OCD?

 

Either way, the main complaint is not that specialization turns you from zero to hero anyway. The complaint is the imbalance that occurs when one team has all the specials and the other team has none (especially when its like 4 specials on one team)

 

Whether that imbalance occurs because the pilots IN those planes are demigods who are also clinically OCD enough to specialize their planes because they like collecting wings is somewhat irrelevant.

 

The bottom line is 

Specialisation does offer clear and documented advantages.

Specialisation (and the calibration of the equipment) requires funds and resources that are usually available to more experienced players and less available to inexperienced and new players. - this in itself will result in specialization being done more by experienced players and less by inexperienced players.

The number of players that have achieved specialization simply by buying their way there is quite likely a good deal less than those who worked their way to those wings the hard way.  - this will mean that on the whole the specialized wings also indicate an experienced player. 

 

In a battle of purely mediocre players the mediocre players in the specialized aircraft have the advantage, if they are all on the same team.....

This leads to quite predictable results when it happens too. 

 

This scales across most of the spectrum of skills too. The only part of that spectrum where it might make less of a difference is right at the top of the skill tree for those elite players who can fly so well they might be able to counter the advantages a little.

But those players are the exception rather than the rule. If you consider yourself to among their number, good for you. However, for the rest of us it's a real drag to see 4 sets of wings on one team and none on the other and the results tend to be depressingly predictable. 



crzyhawk #565 Posted 04 July 2020 - 06:38 PM

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Any guesses as to how this game ended?

 


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Aimless #566 Posted 04 July 2020 - 08:49 PM

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 04 July 2020 - 06:38 PM, said:

Any guesses as to how this game ended?

 

 

My guess: You were carried by Xeon_118 :honoring:



RoyalFlyingCorps #567 Posted 04 July 2020 - 09:02 PM

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Franti is very hit and miss in his heavies, but I'd guess at tier 5 he whipped the posterior off everybody.

crzyhawk #568 Posted 04 July 2020 - 10:42 PM

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View PostAimless, on 04 July 2020 - 08:49 PM, said:

 

My guess: You were carried by Xeon_118 :honoring:


That would not be correct.  We got curbed.  The P-38F was top on the team, and I finished second.


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USA: F2A | Germany: Fw-56; Ar-67; Bf109B, E | USSR: I17; Yak1


prawiejakzywiec666 #569 Posted 04 July 2020 - 11:25 PM

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Frantiszek is one of the best players on the server. Even though he was flying lower tier most probably he finished on top spot. 

Furthermore this map should be erased long time ago because it is much easier to defend (2 sectors) than attack (having only CC). 


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View Postcrzyhawk, on 04 July 2020 - 07:38 PM, said:

Any guesses as to how this game ended?

 

Unbelievable !!

Like I said before ; it's almost as if MM tries to put as many specialists as possible in one team ... I hardly ever see a fair distribution.

 



Spuggy #571 Posted 07 July 2020 - 08:12 AM

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Everyone is complaining about distribution of specialised planes by the MM.

 

Here I am happy counting 7 hoomans per side and noticing the hooman in game population increasing.



0berhessen #572 Posted 07 July 2020 - 08:35 AM

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Back on topic, i have seen zen_monk the other day, we both were on Tier 7, he in his Twin Mustang, me in a Me265 Groundattacker but in opposite teams.

Everybody did his job, so we didn´t fight against each other and zen´s team won the battle!

Well done zen_monk :honoring:


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zen_monk_ #573 Posted 07 July 2020 - 08:52 AM

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:honoring:

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Aimless #574 Posted 07 July 2020 - 08:38 PM

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View Post0berhessen, on 07 July 2020 - 08:35 AM, said:

Back on topic, i have seen zen_monk the other day, we both were on Tier 7, he in his Twin Mustang

 

 

Smelly... :unsure:



zen_monk_ #575 Posted 07 July 2020 - 08:53 PM

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View PostAimless, on 07 July 2020 - 09:38 PM, said:

 

Smelly... :unsure:

 

Do elaborate, please.


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Aimless #576 Posted 09 July 2020 - 06:58 PM

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How did you manage to get a tier 7 Twin Mustang?

zen_monk_ #577 Posted 09 July 2020 - 07:06 PM

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A speshul one, Micro Twin :-)

 

Hessen made a slip, that's all. I fly tier 8. Sometimes you go with 9s, sometimes with 7s. But it was a good battle, and Oberhessen and me both demonstrated excellent fire control :teethhappy:


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Aimless #578 Posted 09 July 2020 - 07:15 PM

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View Postzen_monk_, on 09 July 2020 - 07:06 PM, said:

 

Hessen made a slip, that's all.

 

Impossible, Hessen always knows what he's talking about. And now give me that micro twin! :izmena:






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