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bug #1 Posted 15 June 2018 - 03:55 PM

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After 2.0.5 it seems much harder to play bombers. Especially the US tier 6, A-26b.

I notice this in fighters as well, medium to high altitude seems worse now. Flak seems to eat hp faster than snow melts in sahara.

 

But for me, bombers seems to be hit hardest. The A-26b not only is much more fragile, but also makes less damage with bombs. It not only is hurt more over enemy bases, but have to stay much longer over it as well. 

Anybody else noticing this, or just me?

 



eekeeboo #2 Posted 15 June 2018 - 04:20 PM

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I have had a few people comment on AA seeming more vicious. I don't know if that's with the equipment change and people being used to concealing livery and other AA negating equipment. But I'd appreciate people keeping track of this and keeping me updated. 

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View Posteekeeboo, on 15 June 2018 - 04:20 PM, said:

I have had a few people comment on AA seeming more vicious. I don't know if that's with the equipment change and people being used to concealing livery and other AA negating equipment. But I'd appreciate people keeping track of this and keeping me updated. 

 

Might be the lack of concealed livery or a buff to ack ack, but today the Rocket Bases were ripping me apart at 3.600 m.

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jakub_czyli_ja #4 Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:03 PM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 15 June 2018 - 04:20 PM, said:

I have had a few people comment on AA seeming more vicious. I don't know if that's with the equipment change and people being used to concealing livery and other AA negating equipment. But I'd appreciate people keeping track of this and keeping me updated. 

Yeah, blame players and livery.

I think I know better which equipment I've had on planes, and livery was on very few among those, I feel increased AA power.



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Can confirm that AA is devastating against bombers and GAAs much more than before.

 

I guess it was done to reduce low level bombing runs, but damn, one fly-through over garrison eats 1/3 of your HP if you dont go for AA mounts as priorities.

Hal_Leuco #6 Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:14 PM

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After open beta in 2013 I had quitted the game, then come back when 2.0 was released because I am interested in bombers airplanes. But with this update maybe I have to quit game again.

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Haven't played with bombers but AA seems to hitting harder GA. Yes, it is because of coated livery and less HP, but might be more. Rockets and bombs seems less efficient unless you put in consumable that give +10 %. 

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It seems its not just AA that gives more damage. Also accuracy and damage of bombs seems to be reduced. Only bomber that I found is not too useless is the Do 217, A-26 and Blenheim 4 both seems pretty underwhelming atm. Nice to see prems getting a nerf as they were pretty OP, but not like this.

 

Edit: I find it easier to cap a base with jap or UK fighters atm, than to use bombers.


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I think its because the bonus of stock equipment on plane perfrmance has lowered,


 For instance bombing precision  equipment (Level 1 stock ) gives  now just 50% bombing precision of previous default equipment while decreases some other value to,so bombs indeed are less precise now, but you can improve and calibrate  it to level before and than  make it actually far better than before..


 If bomber will be equipped with improved equipment entirely it will be and do  better than before.
 

I didn't jet improved any equipment on any my bomber except one: There is peace of equipment that significantly increases power of machine gunner of the bomber when used manualy and increases distance of fire.I tried it and   improved this equipment and found it is great, I manage to truly hurt fighters by switchig on manual gunner fire.


 


 


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Played a couple games with tier 3 premium Blenheim, just to see that even the shittest garrison next to your spawn take 1 third of your hp flying over it at 2k + altitude, until you capture. And also, i dare any developer, community manager, or supporter of this piece of garbage game right here to prove me how the frack is possible to score 9k ground damage in tier 1-4 category, as a daily for 1 token. After 3 games at around 5k , i replace it to get destroy 10 ground targets in a single sortie. Really now, is anyone, even that black cat, in that fraking studio, play this game? And you want people to not be toxic...

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View Postjakub_czyli_ja, on 15 June 2018 - 05:03 PM, said:

Yeah, blame players and livery.

I think I know better which equipment I've had on planes, and livery was on very few among those, I feel increased AA power.

 

View PostWayward_Current, on 16 June 2018 - 05:08 AM, said:

I think its because the bonus of stock equipment on plane perfrmance has lowered,


 For instance bombing precision  equipment (Level 1 stock ) gives  now just 50% bombing precision of previous default equipment while decreases some other value to,so bombs indeed are less precise now, but you can improve and calibrate  it to level before and than  make it actually far better than before..


 If bomber will be equipped with improved equipment entirely it will be and do  better than before.
 

I didn't jet improved any equipment on any my bomber except one: There is peace of equipment that significantly increases power of machine gunner of the bomber when used manualy and increases distance of fire.I tried it and   improved this equipment and found it is great, I manage to truly hurt fighters by switchig on manual gunner fire.

 

 

This is what I was making the point of, but some appear to have missed this thought. Thank-you. 

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A bigger problem for me is the lack of a bomb sight on unspecialized planes. Effectively, most of the planes were made weaker this way.

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View PostHorcan, on 16 June 2018 - 09:11 AM, said:

 

Replay can't be attached! Hopefully THIS works :( First attempt of the game at 11,300 ground target damage :) Just so you can see for yourself. 


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You may have played the lottery instead, cause every single game i played had 1 other base+2 garrisons, and preety much ended before the feeble enemy had even the slightest chance to take back some base so i can have something to drop bombs on, or the cap reaching 400. And i dont see any attachement anywhere. And the game should not be balanced so some alien badass of this game who have to defend the game by some contract find something very easy to do, it should be for some noobs who started playing yesterday being able to do.

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eekeeboo #15 Posted 16 June 2018 - 01:08 PM

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View PostHorcan, on 16 June 2018 - 11:51 AM, said:

 

 

Second game, loss but you can see the damage :) It's about how you attack, what you attack and how you approach. 

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View Posteekeeboo, on 16 June 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

This is what I was making the point of, but some appear to have missed this thought. Thank-you. 

There are plenty of posts, that planes melt winth AA range much more than in 2.0.4.

But whatever, blame players, that they have amnesia from previous version, and their feeling is crap.

 

You learn really fast, but there is a catch - feeling matters.

Or you as WG can keep Hall of Fame broken, to cut off another data source, and then claim that 2.x is a huge success.



britinmadrid #17 Posted 16 June 2018 - 05:13 PM

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Read this thread, took out my Tier V German bomber.

 

Red altitude (3,400+ metres) and I evaporated. That simple … high altitude bombing is not viable.

 

Low altitude was better in that the first thing you attack with your five sticks of bombs is the low-level AA. You die the first time, respawn, go back and finish the job which then leaves the base open. It is slow but doable. HOWEVER, the enemy pilots seemed disinclined to allow me to do that and insisted on killing me. Have to agree that bombing is now much harder than before.

 

Don't show me a Tier III Premium screen shot. I'd prefer to see a series of replays from every tier of bomber. It'll come out in the wash when people slowly drift away from Bombers and GAA and in a few months Persha dials down the AA without admitting they ever under-estimated its effects.

 

Just admit it's OP - there's no shame in tweaking a game and making slight adjustments … it's part of the process.



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View Posteekeeboo, on 16 June 2018 - 12:10 PM, said:

Replay can't be attached! Hopefully THIS works :( First attempt of the game at 11,300 ground target damage :) Just so you can see for yourself. 

 

Sorry but replaced the mission, but it might have been 9k personal points, not sure. I had a game with 5500 pp with blenheim by only dropping bombs and it wasnt enough to complete the mission. So might have been the second option. Or really close. But like i said, its a matter of luck and could take a lot longer to get good map than 4 or 10 tokens missions. ON tier 1-4 most maps are 3 bases and end at 400 cap. Unless you play tier 4 and you are lucky to get tier 5 game.
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My RB-17 is way less accurate, getting chewed up more by AA and getting hounded off target by Bots that will follow it all over the map and never get in range of shooting it.

And my tail gunner takes longer to shoot down chasing planes with manual control, or it feels like it any way.

Haven't even tried to take out any other bombers.


 


 



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View Postjakub_czyli_ja, on 16 June 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

 

 

View Postbritinmadrid, on 16 June 2018 - 05:13 PM, said:

 

 

http://blog.worldofw...er-more-useful/

 

Useful information on AA ranges, effective ranges etc. 

 

The reason i showed a tier 3 prem bomber screenshot is because I was asked to prove I could do more damage in that aircraft in particular. I am happy to rise to the challenge on any plane at any tier. 






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