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Spuggy #21 Posted 18 June 2018 - 10:52 AM

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Get in a heavy bomber and drop bombs at less than 100 feet altitude at maximum airspeed or go home

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All bombers I tried are affected, more or less, both of AA and reduced bombing effect, Blenheim 4 and DO 217m not so much, but A-26B is very badly hit. Most of all by not making damage with bombs.

eekeeboo,you tried Blenheim, can you try A-26B too, in elite configuration, not specialist? I really want to know if it is just me, or if it really is so bad now. I more or less use it to kill enemy bombers instead of bombing now.



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View Postbug, on 18 June 2018 - 09:44 PM, said:

All bombers I tried are affected, more or less, both of AA and reduced bombing effect, Blenheim 4 and DO 217m not so much, but A-26B is very badly hit. Most of all by not making damage with bombs.

eekeeboo,you tried Blenheim, can you try A-26B too, in elite configuration, not specialist? I really want to know if it is just me, or if it really is so bad now. I more or less use it to kill enemy bombers instead of bombing now.

 

Sure I'll give this a go tomorrow when I'm free. The blenheim game was in stock too. Do you need me to particularly fly high or low or just anything? Is there a set scenario? Test etc? Even looking at the effect of AA guns past their opimal and limited range? 

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View Postbug, on 18 June 2018 - 09:44 PM, said:

All bombers I tried are affected, more or less, both of AA and reduced bombing effect, Blenheim 4 and DO 217m not so much, but A-26B is very badly hit. Most of all by not making damage with bombs.

eekeeboo,you tried Blenheim, can you try A-26B too, in elite configuration, not specialist? I really want to know if it is just me, or if it really is so bad now. I more or less use it to kill enemy bombers instead of bombing now.

 

I've tried it. Whatever they did, the result is a nerfed plane.

 

First thing I noticed, a Military Base ripped me apart at 3.600 m in my two passes.

 

Second, now 3 out of my 4 bombs miss. While I was able to surely destroy an AA emplacement in .:. configuration by flying slowly and letting the cluster fall along the three dots, between the three dots and one, now I destroy only one or two dots, the rest of the bombs fall wide or explode there without doing much damage. For the same amount of havoc I could make in one pass, now I must make two or three.

 

And so on.

 

This is in elite configuration, with that "added damage" thingy, pilot has the needed skills. But I feel weak as a kitten.


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Spuggy #25 Posted 19 June 2018 - 07:01 AM

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Right, last night I flew my Blenheim iv all night trying to get it up to specialist from blank elite.

 

I very quickly got my 7 aircraft kills. Not really a problem in the Blenheim. The other mission is a simple grind which will take time.

 

The only issue I've had with the plane is that AA does now cause (a lot more) damage to you however. If you fly with support and not solo over a capture point the AA doesn't focus you.

 

Also, fly low. Fly very effin' low. Dive into the attack and get your speed up to nearly 300 mph. Have your bombing line picked out (a line of ground targets) and bomb them in a single pass at about 50 feet altitude. Hit the small AA first as the large AA can't shoot you at this altitude. Watch for radio masts and swerve around them.

 

An alternate bombing line is to circle the base hitting all of the AA as they tend to be (at least most of them) at the perimeter of the base. Once the AA is down you can bomb with impunity. Obviously, at 50 feet.

 

Enjoy some butt clenchingly terrifyingly exciting bombing runs whilst skimming off the ground at 300 mph :kamikaze:


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In my opinion the blennie is still reasonably okay at high altitude bombing, though less than before. Havent tried any other (the DO217) yet. 
It has become more important to shred AA quickly, before it  shreds you. Also, the turret has become weaker, the bombs have become weaker, less accurate etc. So its quite a nerf. 
But its still playable, but far less enjoyable than it was.

Havent tried low alt bombing yet after the update

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View PostSpuggy, on 19 June 2018 - 07:01 AM, said:

 

 

Because you have made this point, I do need to inquire, are people flying in a bomber in optimum AA altitude solo into caps? :amazed:

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View PostSpuggy, on 19 June 2018 - 07:01 AM, said:

Right, last night I flew my Blenheim iv all night trying to get it up to specialist from blank elite.

 

I very quickly got my 7 aircraft kills. Not really a problem in the Blenheim. The other mission is a simple grind which will take time.

 

The only issue I've had with the plane is that AA does now cause (a lot more) damage to you however. If you fly with support and not solo over a capture point the AA doesn't focus you.

 

Also, fly low. Fly very effin' low. Dive into the attack and get your speed up to nearly 300 mph. Have your bombing line picked out (a line of ground targets) and bomb them in a single pass at about 50 feet altitude. Hit the small AA first as the large AA can't shoot you at this altitude. Watch for radio masts and swerve around them.

 

An alternate bombing line is to circle the base hitting all of the AA as they tend to be (at least most of them) at the perimeter of the base. Once the AA is down you can bomb with impunity. Obviously, at 50 feet.

 

Enjoy some butt clenchingly terrifyingly exciting bombing runs whilst skimming off the ground at 300 mph :kamikaze:

 

How do you drop bombs at such low altitute ? Isn't there a minimum alt under which you can't drop bombs with bombers ?

 

On the other hand yesterday I saw some RB17 flying low, faster than anything else and and their rear gunners taking me apart at incredible distances, even long after I broke off.

 

 

 

That bombing accuracy can only be increased after reaching Specialized Status is a pain in the [edited]. I think this should be available from the beginning.

 


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View Postklbergmen, on 19 June 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

 

How do you drop bombs at such low altitute ? Isn't there a minimum alt under which you can't drop bombs with bombers ?

 

On the other hand yesterday I saw some RB17 flying low, faster than anything else and and their rear gunners taking me apart at incredible distances, even long after I broke off.

 

 

 

That bombing accuracy can only be increased after reaching Specialized Status is a pain in the [edited]. I think this should be available from the beginning.

 

 

You can still bomb at an altitude that skims blades of grass. You can't use the bomb sight though so it's more instinctive bombing as you don't even have a reticule. The closer you are to the ground the easier it is. With practice you get good at the timing.

 

The real key is speed. You need to make your pass very fast. That way most people can't chase you very effectively and anyone that chases you close range is likely gonna get exploded by a bomb blast (which is hilarious).

 

Seriously, try it. It's great fun.



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View Posteekeeboo, on 18 June 2018 - 10:07 PM, said:

 

Sure I'll give this a go tomorrow when I'm free. The blenheim game was in stock too. Do you need me to particularly fly high or low or just anything? Is there a set scenario? Test etc? Even looking at the effect of AA guns past their opimal and limited range? 

 

Hi eekeeboo. I think it makes very little damage in bombing, from all altitudes really. I ended up trying very low bomb runs to be able to hit even large targets. If you can try it on armoured objects its cool.

I find it fails on military bases, command centers and those big factories, is it industrial centers? Mining Plant

I am quite convinced it was much more effective before. I dont think flak is as big a problem as its low bomb effect.


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View Postklbergmen, on 19 June 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

 

How do you drop bombs at such low altitute ? Isn't there a minimum alt under which you can't drop bombs with bombers ?

 

On the other hand yesterday I saw some RB17 flying low, faster than anything else and and their rear gunners taking me apart at incredible distances, even long after I broke off.

 

That was how I played last night. As low as possible. Not aiming just dropping bombs on feeling. Both in RB-17 and A-26. Even tried to kill flak with guns. I think was close to the "too low for bombs to be effective" (not sure what it was) warning most of the time. Yes I couldnt drop bombs under that.

 

 

 

 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 15 June 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

I have had a few people comment on AA seeming more vicious. I don't know if that's with the equipment change and people being used to concealing livery and other AA negating equipment. But I'd appreciate people keeping track of this and keeping me updated. 

 

Yes, AA is killing me too, have taken my A26 down to GA level and use it there. If you are a lone bomber over the target, AA widefinitely kill you.  I have started getting bomb load off, then bossting outside the circle to reload, then go back to bomb.  This helps some. Used to be able to lotter over the target. My other bombers don't do so well at GA, so I jst have to get higher, which doesn't always help. AA is worse for me, not just with bombers, it is murder for all aircraft without concealing livery or iimproved cover.
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View Postklbergmen, on 19 June 2018 - 01:17 AM, said:

 

How do you drop bombs at such low altitute ? Isn't there a minimum alt under which you can't drop bombs with bombers ?

 

On the other hand yesterday I saw some RB17 flying low, faster than anything else and and their rear gunners taking me apart at incredible distances, even long after I broke off.

 

 

 

That bombing accuracy can only be increased after reaching Specialized Status is a pain in the [edited]. I think this should be available from the beginning.

 

 

At low level I drop bombs when the target is just off the nose.  The bombs are going to go forward due to airspeed so just just have to anticipate. You just have to experiment to get your sight picture for manual bombing. Disregard teh Bombs are Ineffective message, you can still drop. Only time you can't drop is when bombs are red. Be aware, if too low it is possible ti kill yourselve, so I stay at around 100m.

 

All of my gunners can hit tragets out to almost 1000m, not too effective at that range, but I get a lot of kills between 500-600m, especially on manual aim.. You don't want to attack the A26 from the rear unless your a Heavy with over 50% health left. Even then its going to be a close contest as to who kills who.


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I very quickly got my 7 aircraft kills.

 

May I ask, did you follow a dedicated strategy to get those kills? I find it impossible to fulfill this mission requirement in my Do 17z if I play my normal style - keep high and away from enemy planes. A possibility would of course be to fly into a heavily contested cap at lower level and with that gunner skill that makes him focus on low-HP targets.. not really what a bomber should do.

 



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View PostFunny_Farmer, on 19 June 2018 - 08:21 PM, said:

 

May I ask, did you follow a dedicated strategy to get those kills? I find it impossible to fulfill this mission requirement in my Do 17z if I play my normal style - keep high and away from enemy planes. A possibility would of course be to fly into a heavily contested cap at lower level and with that gunner skill that makes him focus on low-HP targets.. not really what a bomber should do.

 

 

lol... I've been turn fighting heavies in my Blenheim at about 500 feet altitude. It's great fun.

 

Basically, get low. You've got to get into the fur ball to get the kills and you're on the money with the choosing  low hp targets. Remember,  you can still control your aircraft's  course with the "A" and "D" keys whilst in gunner view. Use them to turn whilst gunning to get the best possible target solutions



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RB-17 in its current form after nerfs is scrap. I've got tens of hours on it and I know what I'm saying. It's a very bad WG practice to weaken premium planes !!!

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View Postkryb, on 23 December 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

RB-17 in its current form after nerfs is scrap. I've got tens of hours on it and I know what I'm saying. It's a very bad WG practice to weaken premium planes !!!

 

I played 5 battles (well and one sortie extra) with RB-17 today and got 4 Doolittle. 3 in a row. That is the highest concentration of Doolittles that I have ever got. To me it looks like RB 17 is buffed.

 

Are you sure you are doing everything right with it?


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View PostCheefCoach, on 23 December 2018 - 07:32 PM, said:

 

I played 5 battles (well and one sortie extra) with RB-17 today and got 4 Doolittle. 3 in a row. That is the highest concentration of Doolittles that I have ever got. To me it looks like RB 17 is buffed.

 

Are you sure you are doing everything right with it?

 

yes, I know how it should fly on RB-17 ;)

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View Postkryb, on 25 December 2018 - 01:15 AM, said:

 

yes, I know how it should fly on RB-17 ;)

 

I stay below 3900m and do fine with it. If you go higher than 3900m the probability to have very wide bombspread grows and its not worth it.

Maybe you have to adapt ?



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Stay on 3000-3100 m, use your speed, don't circle above sectors, and try to avoid enemy heavy fighters. And you shall be successful with RB-17. 
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