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PEAKY_BLINDER #1 Posted 01 July 2018 - 02:24 PM

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this calibration tool does it have to go into the negative 4 times before you get 1 positive, its hard enough grabbing parts so you can calibrate bits but only to keep going into negative at a 4 to 1 ratio,

surly if you have the parts it should just go positive, 

it will take months to calibrate all my items.

is it worth doing i ask myself, 



britinmadrid #2 Posted 01 July 2018 - 02:35 PM

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View PostPEAKY_BLINDER, on 01 July 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

this calibration tool does it have to go into the negative 4 times before you get 1 positive, its hard enough grabbing parts so you can calibrate bits but only to keep going into negative at a 4 to 1 ratio,

surly if you have the parts it should just go positive, 

it will take months to calibrate all my items.

is it worth doing i ask myself, 

 

Short answer: no.

 

That is to say, not until you have the Ultimate module which is orange in colour. I have two and that is when you Calibrate. Before that you are just throwing away Salvage.



Killtech #3 Posted 01 July 2018 - 05:19 PM

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it's 50:50 chance to improve except after reaching a new level. and just like with coin tossing you will get series of bad results in a row: that's the nature of randomness. long term however bad and good luck average out and this effectively means that costs to advance calibration are twice as high than what is displayed. 

 

View Postbritinmadrid, on 01 July 2018 - 02:35 PM, said:

That is to say, not until you have the Ultimate module which is orange in colour. I have two and that is when you Calibrate. Before that you are just throwing away Salvage.

 

calibrating to the end at each level gives better base stats but is significantly more expensive. once enhanced you won't be able to gain the little extra stats any more.

 



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Dont bother, just enhance instead.

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View Posthoughtonbee, on 01 July 2018 - 06:54 PM, said:

Dont bother, just enhance instead.

^^ What he said, enhance first(at least you're guaranteed an improvement), then calibrate. Fist time calibrating is always an improvement after that you're just gambling many parts away until you get a benefit.


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eekeeboo #6 Posted 02 July 2018 - 10:21 AM

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Having looked further and the best way to explain I can: 

 

You have upgrade levels that have caps on the benefits and penalties from the equipment. The higher the upgrade the higher the cap. 

 

When you calibrate you will ALWAYS improve the equipment, the main issue right now is that increase to positive effects are weighted higher than reduction to penalties, so it looks like you lose figures. 

 

I am working on a guide, to explain if you calibrate and apply, you will always improve and will eventually hit the cap. You will  never actually roll "backwards" just sometimes a lower improvement or higher improvement. Hope this helps. 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 02 July 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

Having looked further and the best way to explain I can: 

 

You have upgrade levels that have caps on the benefits and penalties from the equipment. The higher the upgrade the higher the cap. 

 

When you calibrate you will ALWAYS improve the equipment, the main issue right now is that increase to positive effects are weighted higher than reduction to penalties, so it looks like you lose figures. 

 

I am working on a guide, to explain if you calibrate and apply, you will always improve and will eventually hit the cap. You will  never actually roll "backwards" just sometimes a lower improvement or higher improvement. Hope this helps. 

 

Nope, I rolled several times calibration on an orange module and I ALWAYS got worse results after the first roll.

 

So calibration is good for one roll, then it is gambling (and knowing WG, probably rigged to bad results in order to increase grinding)


Edited by Eviscerador, 02 July 2018 - 02:12 PM.


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View PostEviscerador, on 02 July 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

 

Nope, I rolled several times calibration on an orange module and I ALWAYS got worse results after the first roll.

 

So calibration is good for one roll, then it is gambling (and knowing WG, probably rigged to bad results in order to increase grinding)

 

As I said, look at the weights. 

 

You roll, you will get a positive calibration. Apply, roll and you will get another positive. You will increase in increments. If you roll and you roll again without applying that's down to RNG. 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 02 July 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

 

As I said, look at the weights. 

 

You roll, you will get a positive calibration. Apply, roll and you will get another positive. You will increase in increments. If you roll and you roll again without applying that's down to RNG. 

 

I'm regretting now not saving the rolls to just show them to you. You are wrong, I rolled a total of 9 times, 7 of them were bad, as in, less benefits.

 

It was like this:

- 1st roll: flat increase to both bonus and malus. 416. Apply

- 2nd roll: back to 400, not apply

- 3rd roll: back to 400, not apply

- 4th roll: back to 404, not apply

- 5th roll: back to 403, not apply

- 6th roll: no increase to bonus, decrease to malus. 423. Apply

- 7th roll: no increase to bonus, increase malus to the same as the 1st roll. not apply

- 8th roll: back to 407, not apply

- 9th roll: back to 410, not apply

 

Total cost: around 150k credits, almost 30 of one basic resource and 9 of each of the rare resources (not the ultrarare though) For a total in crease of 1,2% range in my guns and keeping malus as standard orange module.

 

Worth? Not in 7 lives.



blackmoomba #10 Posted 02 July 2018 - 08:05 PM

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my performance... 7 negative rolls before i got a positive +3, and that was on an ultimate... lost 14 weapon parts with that, overall i lost even more but didn't bother to keep track of it.

better use calibrate on the ultimate equipment, than in between



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View PostEviscerador, on 02 July 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

 

Rolls

Similar to my experience....so I threw my hat at it. Just so frustrating and tedious. Back playing WoT for a while....the shine has gone off.


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deaxter_hero #12 Posted 02 July 2018 - 09:21 PM

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Enhance first, see if you get required bonus special effects and if not disassemble, collect Materials back, and roll the dice again. Calibrate only when heaving reached Ultimate Equipment level.

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View PostKilltech, on 01 July 2018 - 05:19 PM, said:

it's 50:50 chance to improve except after reaching a new level. and just like with coin tossing you will get series of bad results in a row: that's the nature of randomness. long term however bad and good luck average out and this effectively means that costs to advance calibration are twice as high than what is displayed.

 

 

calibrating to the end at each level gives better base stats but is significantly more expensive. once enhanced you won't be able to gain the little extra stats any more.

 

 

I had 150 bad rolls in a row, this is not random!

There are rules behind it that we don't know.

Random is already a bad design but this pseudo random is cheating on us if we don't know how it is working.

I don't see why we have to reverse engineer this bullshit and even if we do they can change it again at any time.

I calibrate a lot from the beginning and I'm sure that sometimes I have to accept a bad role to be able to get good roles again.

How can somebody in his right mind implement this stupid mechanic and how can his boss accept this ?



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View PostEviscerador, on 02 July 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

 

 

 

From the developer blog: 

"Keep in mind that improvements to the positive effects affect this meter much more than weakening the penalties of the negative ones. There cannot be a “bad” calibration roll where everything gets worse, at least something will be improved. Nevertheless, if the positive effect rolls the same while the negative changes only slightly, the meter might even roll back, though in fact the equipment will still become a little bit better." 

 

For reference: http://blog.worldofw...nd-calibration/



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View Postdeaxter_hero, on 02 July 2018 - 09:21 PM, said:

Enhance first, see if you get required bonus special effects and if not disassemble, collect Materials back, and roll the dice again. Calibrate only when heaving reached Ultimate Equipment level.

 

This is it.

 

(if you choose to Specialize at all)


Edited by zen_monk_, 03 July 2018 - 08:28 AM.

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View Posteekeeboo, on 03 July 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

 

From the developer blog: 

"Keep in mind that improvements to the positive effects affect this meter much more than weakening the penalties of the negative ones. There cannot be a “bad” calibration roll where everything gets worse, at least something will be improved. Nevertheless, if the positive effect rolls the same while the negative changes only slightly, the meter might even roll back, though in fact the equipment will still become a little bit better." 

 

For reference: http://blog.worldofw...nd-calibration/

 

I will prove yourself wrong, but I can't bother to waste more materials. I got rolls where both bonus and malus got worse.

svadilfari #17 Posted 03 July 2018 - 10:24 AM

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the tldr version:

-never calibrate stock

-calibrate improved (to whatever level you´re willing to waste materials)

-once you specialise the plane, enhance to ultimate

-calibrate ultimate


Edited by svadilfari, 03 July 2018 - 10:28 AM.


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View Postsvadilfari, on 03 July 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

the tldr version:

-never calibrate stock

-calibrate improved (to whatever level you´re willing to waste materials)

-once you specialise the plane, enhance to ultimate

-calibrate ultimate

Fixed



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View PostEviscerador, on 03 July 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

 

I will prove yourself wrong, but I can't bother to waste more materials. I got rolls where both bonus and malus got worse.

 

You are welcome to try and prove the game wrong on how it works too. This is how it works I am sorry to inform you, as I said. The weighting for positive gains and negative nerfs are not mirrored, so you have distorted perspective on the level of calibration :P 

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Not that I bothered a lot (I've made a few calibrations in first level just to see what it looks like) and what I get was close to Eviscerador and by no means what the developer blog writes.

But then again I must try this If I ever reach final level of enhancement to a plane, and check it then. (It may be a veeeery long time though the way the game is now)

For sure no calibration till then, complete waste of credits and materials.


Edited by dreambill, 03 July 2018 - 04:17 PM.





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