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Moerdergrube #1 Posted 13 July 2018 - 08:28 PM

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I don't want to play low tier, but i am forced to play, if i want token. It is insane, what untalented people play there. Remove this idiotic missions! It is easy to do 100 GTs with T10, it is challenging with T7 and it is a drag with T4. The player base there is so Incredible untalented, this is legend. I do almost always 3 times of 2nd's AP and i lose and i lose and i lose. Always with untalented team useless bots are in game. Remove your bots, if you aren't able to program them fair. This game has turned into a WG Casino. Whatever you play, WG determines. who wins. A joke, really. I Play as a T4 with T5 GA flights. These guys have 35 and 40% winrate! These are human bots WG. I really don't know, why you don't ban such accounts, WG.

You expect us to follow the rules of EULA and YOU WG don't care for your EULA! Disgusting!


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Hi mate, you've been quiet lately. It's always refreshing to hear your thought on the game.

Banned as usual. If you tell the truth, this WG uberboss bans you for 14 days.
 

Moerdergrube #3 Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:23 PM

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Guys in low tier!

 

https://picload.org/...ot_199.jpg.html

 

Ever saw such a score in the asyncron T4/5 map (this battle was T4/5) - Garnison, airfield one side, CC enemy. I was the GA Garnison, airfield - damend i am too fast for this game or enemy are all human bots. :)


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CheefCoach #4 Posted 14 July 2018 - 12:30 AM

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Moerdergrube you already have 65.75 % win rate, so don't complain about losing. Bots are just fine, and there is no cure against idiots. If you don't like playing lower tiers, don't play lower tiers. You can buy tokens you need for gold, earn them with epic medals and you can just buy premium time and hangar slots for gold. 


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eekeeboo #5 Posted 14 July 2018 - 03:39 PM

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You don't get banned for telling the truth. You are banned for breaking the forum rules. You were informed of those forum rules that you broke when you were punished. If you are confused or unaware of what those were, I would be happy assist you further. 

 

I feel you should also remember that bots are balanced equally by their level for each team, you don't get more advanced that the other team. WG don't decide the battle you do, I demonstrated this last night. 

 

Next I have passed on and it's being looked in to about tier 1-4 missions and you can refer to that in the "top 5 community sentiment" thread". 



Moerdergrube #6 Posted 14 July 2018 - 07:41 PM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 14 July 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

You don't get banned for telling the truth. You are banned for breaking the forum rules. You were informed of those forum rules that you broke when you were punished. If you are confused or unaware of what those were, I would be happy assist you further. 

 

I feel you should also remember that bots are balanced equally by their level for each team, you don't get more advanced that the other team. WG don't decide the battle you do, I demonstrated this last night. 

 

Next I have passed on and it's being looked in to about tier 1-4 missions and you can refer to that in the "top 5 community sentiment" thread". 

 

Your company treats ist customers like scum. Don't expect me to be polite. WG hides somewhere in Ukraine? and don't care a crap for customer rights. And bots aren't balanced equal. But i don't discuss this matter with staff. You are payed to argue against customers.

 

View PostCheefCoach, on 14 July 2018 - 12:30 AM, said:

Moerdergrube you already have 65.75 % win rate, so don't complain about losing. Bots are just fine, and there is no cure against idiots. If you don't like playing lower tiers, don't play lower tiers. You can buy tokens you need for gold, earn them with epic medals and you can just buy premium time and hangar slots for gold. 

 

Sorry, if my winrate with GAs is good. But 90 to 100% should be ok with my score and with my efforts to win.
 

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View Posteekeeboo, on 14 July 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

You don't get banned for telling the truth. You are banned for breaking the forum rules. You were informed of those forum rules that you broke when you were punished. If you are confused or unaware of what those were, I would be happy assist you further. 

 

I feel you should also remember that bots are balanced equally by their level for each team, you don't get more advanced that the other team. WG don't decide the battle you do, I demonstrated this last night. 

 

Next I have passed on and it's being looked in to about tier 1-4 missions and you can refer to that in the "top 5 community sentiment" thread". 

 

Thats the worst lie i ever saw. Just two days ago, playing tier III, there were two tier IV german heavy fighters bots in each team. After few minutes , both enemy team bots  had about 1900-2000 points. My team bots had 400 and 500. So even if its like you said and they have same"level" for sure they dont do same things. Just the rigging stuff im talking about in each topic. Different bot performance influencing the result.

Moerdergrube #8 Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:13 PM

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View PostHorcan, on 14 July 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

 

Thats the worst lie i ever saw. Just two days ago, playing tier III, there were two tier IV german heavy fighters bots in each team. After few minutes , both enemy team bots  had about 1900-2000 points. My team bots had 400 and 500. So even if its like you said and they have same"level" for sure they dont do same things. Just the rigging stuff im talking about in each topic. Different bot performance influencing the result.

 

eekeeboo is payed. He is told, what to post here.
 

My dear eekeeboo. >>> WG don't decide the battle you do, I demonstrated this last night. <<< You demonstrated, that you can destroy weak bots and attack a GA with low HP. You are a pathetic joke to pimp your heavys and high dmg fighters at night. Atm a GA can't win abattle vs a non GA, cause bots are on your side. /ignore Oh! I just watched! You are on my ignorelist since years. So why the hell, i have to read your postings? Think i have to report htis bug, that staff can't be ignored.



eekeeboo #9 Posted 15 July 2018 - 12:44 AM

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View PostHorcan, on 14 July 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

 

 

It's not a lie, it's the truth. Bots are equal levels on each team. It's a matter of fact. 

 

View PostMoerdergrube, on 14 July 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

 

 

I'm not paid to argue, I'm not paid to be verbally abused. You have access to the forums based on rules and good behaviour. If you cannot follow those, that privilege will be removed. 

 

I tell you the truth. If you refuse to listen to the truth. 

 

I didn't attack GA with low hp. I attacked the right sectors at the right time and controlled the map in the right way. I offered you to watch the stream as I played every plane requested at tier 10. But by all means. Keep breaking forum and game rules when you lose. 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 15 July 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

 

It's not a lie, it's the truth. Bots are equal levels on each team. It's a matter of fact. 

 

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U wrote here http://forum.worldofwarplanes.eu/index.php?/topic/51136-bot-correction-win-system-your-views/page__p__563807#entry563807

 

"Please refer to my thread i opened about questions about bots/mm. Bot skills are the same on both teams. The only difference being the planes those bots are in, this is an unfortunate consequence of having a player in a GAA on one team and not in one on the other team"

 

Could you explain this more detailed?

1) Does this mean, that bots on both side have the same skill level in the mirrored planes except the plane/s which are opposing directly the human player?

2) Or does this mean only that both side have the same amount of veteran bots, but there is a difference in which planes those bots are in?

 

I had made the experience, that case 1) is very unlikely. Playing battles 1:1 with a human and the rest bots, if both humans are in a fighter, the GAA on both sides behave differently. Often my bots fly circles, stay in a conquered base, crash or do something stupid, while the oposing bots do their job (or vice versa)

How is this possible if they are using the same routines?

 

The only plausible explanation is, that the bots skills are distributed like described in case 2). And if this is the truth, this would be an unfair manipulation from WG.

I dont want to play roulette when starting battle, i want to have a fair distribution on both sides.

Rework this f....ing asymmetrical maps and rework this f....ing asymmetrical bots-destribution.

The players skill on both sides schould be the only basis for victory or defeat and not the probably manipulation by WG.

 

(Sorry for my bad english but its not my native language)

 

(P.S. Please dont missunderstand me eekeeboo, we might not have the same opinion, but i am happy that u are here to discuss with us after years of silence from WG. Any statement from me is not against you personally but against this mistreatment of customers by WG)

 

 

 

 

 



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It is exactly what i said, i dont care if they are labeled the same as veteran, soldier or whatever, as long as enemy bots do kills and capture bases, while mine fly in circles or chase bombers and afk players to the corner of the map. I call it rigging.

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View PostEmtod, on 15 July 2018 - 09:00 AM, said:

 

 

On each team you will have the same level of bot AI on each team. You will always have the same amount of low, mid and high level bots for each team. The only difference is the aircraft the bots may be in. This is because sometimes you get a player in a GAA on one team but a HF player in the other. The classes will be uniform, but the plane itself can be different. 

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View Posteekeeboo, on 15 July 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

On each team you will have the same level of bot AI on each team. You will always have the same amount of low, mid and high level bots for each team. The only difference is the aircraft the bots may be in. This is because sometimes you get a player in a GAA on one team but a HF player in the other. The classes will be uniform, but the plane itself can be different. 

 

I am with Emtod. Should be like he said. Match every pair equal. If one player is in, match all others first and the other 2 (in a 1v1) can be random like it is now. This way it’s way more balanced (sometimes one planetype is more viable than others on a map; reducing the random factors is a step in the right/well-balanced direction). In this system you can’t get to 100% fair matches, but the closer it gets the better.

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houghtonbee #14 Posted 18 July 2018 - 06:17 AM

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bit of an old screenshot but still happens on occasion when i play, note the names of the two participants with 0 points on my team after a lengthy spell in the game (will supply more screenshots in future if I notice them )

 


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eekeeboo #15 Posted 18 July 2018 - 09:06 AM

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View PostBiBaBummsebiene, on 15 July 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

 

Even if using your particular method you would not get fair matches, unfortunately it's how online gaming and skill gaps work, as you say. The biggest problem being with these sorts of things is that you would also need to factor in maps into the MM and then assess "plane type" value etc on the map etc. Waiting for set planes to be matched like before goes back to the days of 30 minute queue times, I am in no rush to go back to those! 

 

I know the current system isn't perfect, but for me as it stands right now it's good enough to do the job while focus is put on other issues. 



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Thirty minute queues?

No thanks.

And while the current queue times can be bothersome at times, I usually don't mind them all that much.

 

Tbh, I doubt that those 40-45% WR players are bots.

Bots in WoT are usually barely at an acceptable level, and that game needs to take into account only two axis of movement, rather than three.

Crashing into terrain is also far more forgiving in WoT than it is here, so if someone actually manages to program a bot hack to work at/around the level of the current in-game bots, then maybe they should work for WG instead to improve the current bots.

 

But yes, trying to carry a game at lowtiers in a GAA is rather troublesome; from my own experiences (tier 5 IL-2) I've found that the rest of the team is typically incapable of holding the sectors I capture, or even supporting me with a fighter or two so I can even capture at all instead of getting farmed by some enemy fighter I got no defences against.



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Yes with GAA you need the lock-on window back, eekeeboo states you have situational awareness but with every thing in battle trying to shoot you at the same time looking around sucks in a GAA.

As for defence bots friggin no chance unless in front of you, but it is what the masses like " apparently ".  



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View PostGrumpy_Guts, on 18 July 2018 - 11:01 AM, said:

Yes with GAA you need the lock-on window back, eekeeboo states you have situational awareness but with every thing in battle trying to shoot you at the same time looking around sucks in a GAA.

As for defence bots friggin no chance unless in front of you, but it is what the masses like " apparently ".  

 

I mentioned a thousand times that lock-on window  or "camera" was one of many beautiful and useful things from "old" UI that must have NEVER been removed from the game.

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View Postdreambill, on 18 July 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

 

I mentioned a thousand times that lock-on window  or "camera" was one of many beautiful and useful things from "old" UI that must have NEVER been removed from the game.

 

I fully agree. Loved it.

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View Postdreambill, on 18 July 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

 

I mentioned a thousand times that lock-on window  or "camera" was one of many beautiful and useful things from "old" UI that must have NEVER been removed from the game.

 

old players/ old game was the most beautiful thing they must have NEVER been removed..

 


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