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Please support the permanent addition of a second mode close to old WoWp

  1. I want/have no problem with a second additional mode close to old WoWp (44 votes [80.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 80.00%

  2. No a second additional mode like this must NEVER be implemented (11 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

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dreambill #1 Posted 21 July 2018 - 10:29 AM

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OK since a very important thread (IMHO) was deleted (the poll about old V1.9) due to reasons out of my powers, I would like to re-enable it in a positive way (I hope)

I'm asking support from ALL players (mainly the ones who enjoy Conquest) for the creation of a new second additional mode close to old WoWp (before Conquest)

This way the arguments between "new" and "old" players will stop (I hope) - more people could play and enjoy the game (like me and all arguing about old mode),

- WG eventually make (a few more?) money and most important, will saw us that has the will to listen to player needs.

 

I don't want this thread to have the fate of the previous with polarized replies, so everyone who wants this, or has no objection to this, please give a vote,

it may help some (maybe more than you imagine) of your co-players to have fun again in this game, and refrain from arguing which game is better.

 

PS. If someone has connection with NA or RU please enact the SAME poll there to make it global for WG.

 

Eekee, I cannot imagine if this can be done more positively and according to WG needs, please advise.

 



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I fully support the idea.

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The most interesting question is: does WG think the current (status of the) game attracts enough people? If the answer is yes, no way ((Jose) to get a new mode). If the answer is no, what mode or what changes has to be done. Even the guys who votes for "No a second additional mode like this must NEVER be implemented" have to have an idea or spend a thought about that. What do those guys think?

 

Like zen and dreambill, I think more modes attract more ppl. Why? Well as you can see in one or another post :hiding: not everyone has the same taste (thank god). Diversity is the chance. Surely there is a split of the playerbase if a 2nd mode is implemented, but never a risk where there is a chance. 2.0 was a risk, 1.0 was a risk. For myself I think the tdm is the right choice (for others probably Attrition or bomber escort, ...). Why do I think so? Well 2.0 attracted now players or old players who weren't in love with 1.X. This time an additional mode (tdm) in the new physics/engine would again attract all those players who left cause of 2.X. "well 1.9 wasn't paying off". Correct. The playerbase became smaller and the majority already paid for everything. The chance now is the changes 2.0 was going through. The old players are used to be good, be top tier in their class. Now with the new equipment system etc. those guys have to play very much OR buy their stuff to be the top tiers again. In my eyes the easiest way to get many ppl fast in the game is to get 1.X fans back in game. Why? It's simply the easiest way. It's much harder to attract new players and make them stay (and pay). People who already invested in sth are more likely to pay a 2nd time.

How does the map or the game has to look like: well I had some ideas additional to the already existing post of mine to this topic.

First of all the obvious points:

- 15 vs 15 (with bots)

- each destroyed GT and aircraft gives you points (that constantly are rising, the more you destroy the faster; why? gives e.g. GAAs the chance to win over plane-hunting planes. destroy and hide)

- no (conquerable) bases -> groups of GTs

- no refill of bombs/rockets

- no respawn

- endless amunition

 

Ok now the not obvious points

- no wings (why? as you can see in attrition, good players in wings are the death for the other side and the current MM isn't able to compensate this -> remove the source not fight the effects)

- line of AAs in mid: to make GAAs more viable implement a zone where fighting in the AAs is deadly without ground-support -> teamplay

- implement punishment for flying low: in TDMs GAAs that one team need to clean zones of AA they are needed for tactical issue -> to not make it GAA-hunting at it's best there has to be a punishment taking them out -> whole fight his lifting in high and mid-altitude. "But then it's the same problem like in 1.X -> fly high win high" Well not at all, like I said: GAAs are tactical and WG wants the planes to act the tactical way. The Multis are low-flying bombers: they can clear space too. As there is hardly no punishment for taking bombs/rockets with you every heavy and multi is loaded like a beast -> taking things with you gives a tactical lead. Heavys take out bombers, LFs GAAs. "Ok but now bombers aren't as usefull as in conquest!" True story: I am not quite sure about that, but I would give bombers some 360°-reargunners to be more viable in high fighting. That's a 1km dead-zone around bombers. Good reargunners are one hell of a pain

-> btw this punishment for flying low would stop RB-17 trains (bots in slow planes chasing low flying bombers around the map in conquest/attrition etc.)

 

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View Postdreambill, on 21 July 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

OK since a very important thread (IMHO) was deleted (the poll about old V1.9) due to reasons out of my powers, I would like to re-enable it in a positive way (I hope)

I'm asking support from ALL players (mainly the ones who enjoy Conquest) for the creation of a new second additional mode close to old WoWp (before Conquest)

This way the arguments between "new" and "old" players will stop (I hope) - more people could play and enjoy the game (like me and all arguing about old mode),

- WG eventually make (a few more?) money and most important, will saw us that has the will to listen to player needs.

 

I don't want this thread to have the fate of the previous with polarized replies, so everyone who wants this, or has no objection to this, please give a vote,

it may help some (maybe more than you imagine) of your co-players to have fun again in this game, and refrain from arguing which game is better.

 

PS. If someone has connection with NA or RU please enact the SAME poll there to make it global for WG.

 

Eekee, I cannot imagine if this can be done more positively and according to WG needs, please advise.

 

 

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

 


I really would rather not rain on someone's parade, or kill the fantasy of "let's all just go back to the way it was."  But reality is harsh, sometimes.  I think Wargaming would generate a lot of good will by adding a Deathmatch mode using the current flight models and UI, and call it "King of the HIll" mode.  No respawns, no GAA or bombers, just you, your airplane, and your wits against whatever comes.  Make it super-simple and maybe folks would not only be attracted to it, but also to the Conquest mode.  And Attrition.  Heck, I still want to see the "Bomber Flight" mode where you defend or attack the bombers headed for your base.  When your base (or the other guy's base) is destroyed, the survivors win.  

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Vote:-   Yes

 

Is that on topic ?  Simple enough ? Within forum rules ?



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View PostR0I, on 21 July 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

 

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

 

 

a salty vet makes a bad vet.

 

 

as for topic:

by all means make 2 game modes. it is the only way to please both camps as the war of 1.9 vs 2.0 will never end.

 

im the 2.0.5 gen. what i saw from my 3 games in cbt made me uninstall it as i dident need another game like warthunder.

conquest whit zone capping, respawns and mixed pvp/pve is the reason why i play this game now.

 

 



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View PostNatteFrost, on 21 July 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

 

a salty vet makes a bad vet.

 

 

as for topic:

by all means make 2 game modes. it is the only way to please both camps as the war of 1.9 vs 2.0 will never end.

 

im the 2.0.5 gen. what i saw from my 3 games in cbt made me uninstall it as i dident need another game like warthunder.

conquest whit zone capping, respawns and mixed pvp/pve is the reason why i play this game now.

 

 

 

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Edited by R0I, 21 July 2018 - 02:11 PM.

I really would rather not rain on someone's parade, or kill the fantasy of "let's all just go back to the way it was."  But reality is harsh, sometimes.  I think Wargaming would generate a lot of good will by adding a Deathmatch mode using the current flight models and UI, and call it "King of the HIll" mode.  No respawns, no GAA or bombers, just you, your airplane, and your wits against whatever comes.  Make it super-simple and maybe folks would not only be attracted to it, but also to the Conquest mode.  And Attrition.  Heck, I still want to see the "Bomber Flight" mode where you defend or attack the bombers headed for your base.  When your base (or the other guy's base) is destroyed, the survivors win.  

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View Postdreambill, on 21 July 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

OK since a very important thread (IMHO) was deleted (the poll about old V1.9) due to reasons out of my powers, I would like to re-enable it in a positive way (I hope)

 

In fact, in last couple of days, WG bright sparks have done it twice....



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View Postchief_de_wrecker, on 21 July 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

In fact, in last couple of days, WG bright sparks have done it twice....

 

"If only one of you there is, lose teamfight you will."


Edited by R0I, 21 July 2018 - 01:49 PM.

I really would rather not rain on someone's parade, or kill the fantasy of "let's all just go back to the way it was."  But reality is harsh, sometimes.  I think Wargaming would generate a lot of good will by adding a Deathmatch mode using the current flight models and UI, and call it "King of the HIll" mode.  No respawns, no GAA or bombers, just you, your airplane, and your wits against whatever comes.  Make it super-simple and maybe folks would not only be attracted to it, but also to the Conquest mode.  And Attrition.  Heck, I still want to see the "Bomber Flight" mode where you defend or attack the bombers headed for your base.  When your base (or the other guy's base) is destroyed, the survivors win.  

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View Postdreambill, on 21 July 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

 and refrain from arguing which game is better.

I voted no because after reading the entire other thread that was closed, that is exactly what will happen.


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this post has been edited by the moderation team due to being irrelevant.

Edited by Hedko1, 23 July 2018 - 02:18 PM.

I really would rather not rain on someone's parade, or kill the fantasy of "let's all just go back to the way it was."  But reality is harsh, sometimes.  I think Wargaming would generate a lot of good will by adding a Deathmatch mode using the current flight models and UI, and call it "King of the HIll" mode.  No respawns, no GAA or bombers, just you, your airplane, and your wits against whatever comes.  Make it super-simple and maybe folks would not only be attracted to it, but also to the Conquest mode.  And Attrition.  Heck, I still want to see the "Bomber Flight" mode where you defend or attack the bombers headed for your base.  When your base (or the other guy's base) is destroyed, the survivors win.  

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View Postdreambill, on 21 July 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

 

 

Hey! The issue with the last thread wasn't polarising opinions. If you caught up to it, it resulted in people spamming and insulting one another. When I have to work with the moderators to clear the spam and off-topic posts from a thread, three times in 1 day. After two previous warnings. The key is to stay on topic, no spamming, no insulting and harassing one another and all will be good! The other topic is currently sitting in archive and can be brought back, but only once it's been cleared and tidied again. 

 

The main issue with the last thread were a small minority of repeat offenders ruining all the nice things. As long as this thread follows the rules, there is nothing to fear. 



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Hey! The issue with the last thread wasn't polarising opinions. If you caught up to it, it resulted in people spamming and insulting one another. When I have to work with the moderators to clear the spam and off-topic posts from a thread, three times in 1 day. After two previous warnings. The key is to stay on topic, no spamming, no insulting and harassing one another and all will be good! The other topic is currently sitting in archive and can be brought back, but only once it's been cleared and tidied again. 

 

The main issue with the last thread were a small minority of repeat offenders ruining all the nice things. As long as this thread follows the rules, there is nothing to fear. 

 

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
I really would rather not rain on someone's parade, or kill the fantasy of "let's all just go back to the way it was."  But reality is harsh, sometimes.  I think Wargaming would generate a lot of good will by adding a Deathmatch mode using the current flight models and UI, and call it "King of the HIll" mode.  No respawns, no GAA or bombers, just you, your airplane, and your wits against whatever comes.  Make it super-simple and maybe folks would not only be attracted to it, but also to the Conquest mode.  And Attrition.  Heck, I still want to see the "Bomber Flight" mode where you defend or attack the bombers headed for your base.  When your base (or the other guy's base) is destroyed, the survivors win.  

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View Posteekeeboo, on 21 July 2018 - 02:43 PM, said:

 

Hey! The issue with the last thread wasn't polarising opinions. If you caught up to it, it resulted in people spamming and insulting one another. When I have to work with the moderators to clear the spam and off-topic posts from a thread, three times in 1 day. After two previous warnings. The key is to stay on topic, no spamming, no insulting and harassing one another and all will be good! The other topic is currently sitting in archive and can be brought back, but only once it's been cleared and tidied again. 

 

The main issue with the last thread were a small minority of repeat offenders ruining all the nice things. As long as this thread follows the rules, there is nothing to fear. 

 

So plz give the spammers a time-ban for the forums. Don’t make the girls and guys who really care write everything over and over again.

View PostBravelyRanAway, on 21 July 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

I voted no because after reading the entire other thread that was closed, that is exactly what will happen.

 

So what is your point? Why you don’t want a second mode? Any real reasons behind this vote? And plz stay respectful.

 

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edit: I don’t know whose twink R0I is, but again he tries to ruin the threat. Stop it.


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View PostBiBaBummsebiene, on 21 July 2018 - 06:13 PM, said:

 

 

I/we did that. As I said, three times we had to fix it. The thread became a magnet for those people. 

 

If you have someone breaking the rules, the report function is there. As you can see we have active moderation members and myself now working in the forums frequently. So positive effects can be made! 

 

Unfortunately in the other thread, too many reports for the same people. 



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View PostBiBaBummsebiene, on 21 July 2018 - 06:13 PM, said:

edit: I don’t know whose twink R0I is, but again he tries to ruin the threat. Stop it.

 

Yep.

 

Whoever he is, he is seriously undermining dreambill's thread and your suggestions. Too bad to be mined by "one of yours", guys. He started to post his wisecracks in other threads too today.

 

Damn. I was glad I caught the the thread the moment it was posted to be the first of 2.x proponents to give you a positive boost, but the treachery came from the opposite side - opposite from anything creative or productive.

 

 

 

By the way, the guy already broke a multiple of forum rules:

 

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View PostBiBaBummsebiene, on 21 July 2018 - 06:13 PM, said:

So what is your point? Why you don’t want a second mode? Any real reasons behind this vote? And plz stay respectful.

As I said, my personal reason is that the forum would become a war ground with supporters of one game mode slagging off supporters of the other.......as seen in that other thread that was closed. It would also cost a lot more money for WG to run as resources would have to be split to cover both modes, which would slow the development of the game. The old game was on life support with financial support from WoT...it would be a bad business decision that wouldn't pay for itself.


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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 21 July 2018 - 06:52 PM, said:

As I said, my personal reason is that the forum would become a war ground with supporters of one game mode slagging off supporters of the other.......as seen in that other thread that was closed. It would also cost a lot more money for WG to run as resources would have to be split to cover both modes, which would slow the development of the game. The old game was on life support with financial support from WoT...it would be a bad business decision that wouldn't pay for itself.

 

Thanks for your polite answer. Now I see your pov.

You are right with the battle between the supporters of each mode, everyone will state that his mode will be the only/real one. But e.g. we already have a „war“ here. It would at least downgrade the extreme hate in my eyes.

But I doubt money has to be split, as hardly everything would be the same: same engine, same planes, same everything... except map design. In programming not allowing to respawn is a simple flag in the code -> copy/paste. Like I said too, the old game didn’t pay off, but it seems to me you haven’t read my first post. It’s a chance (not more not less -> if it fails one can close it with one click) to get many players back that already have invested once. The possibility that they invest one more time is higher than a new player sticks to the game.

 

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i prefer 2.x in general (the gameplay, not so much the bugs, cashgrabs, horrible events, bugs, ignoring community, taking away well liked features, bugs...)

that being said, i´d certainly want to play a few good old 1.9 rounds once in a while.

the problem is this: take a look at how incredibly poorly the game is managed right now, it´s atrocious. now you want them to take care of basically 2 different games at once?

that would be the final nail in the coffin



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View PostBiBaBummsebiene, on 21 July 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

 

 

Maybe it's wiser to leave the financial side out of all this.

 

The old game was not profitable. If there were no Tanks to finance us, this would have been switched off a long time ago. The good old boys made a mockery out of people who pay "what, you PAY REAL MONEY?!" while shoving down throat their stats which enabled them to get premium time and all that. Used it as an insult. There are numerous, numerous brags by "oh I'm so tough and I don't pay a dime" freeloaders.

 

Company knew that. They have absolutely no interest bring those people back. Hell, they've killed their game and say it will never come back.

 

What the new mode would bring is a challenge for the relatively new people. That should be the pitch. Sure, some of the old guys would come back - no wings, please - and the atmosphere here might get more relaxed. But get new people interested in some sort of Classic mode should be the main sale point from our side.

 

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