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Horcan #61 Posted 07 August 2018 - 12:50 PM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 06 August 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

 

Expert bots have been known to be able to have certain skills that will help the plane go faster. A lot will come down to the way you have specialised your plane, the way you have put equipment on and what pilot skills you have used. 

 

For anything else, the use of F7 does actually work right now in game as long as the bot is not currently engaged. 

 

Expert bots are the ones RNG god of WG decide its time for you to die. NO matter what maneouvers you spam , its bam youre dead because game decide to balance the game in enemy favor, or your win rate is too high, while your bots perform worse than white defense plane. What i call rigging. They will never agree it is , but we all see it every day.  For as long as bots exist in the game, they will only create frustration because it means the server will only favor one team, since that team bots perform better.

GonerNL #62 Posted 07 August 2018 - 01:02 PM

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I especially like this trick where they seem to stop in mid-air when you're on their six, so you overshoot while they are still able to maneuver ; without speed !!

eekeeboo #63 Posted 07 August 2018 - 01:16 PM

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View PostHorcan, on 07 August 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

 

 

You can out fly and out perform these bots, you just need to know what your plane is good at and what their plane is good at. Try something different like 5m evasive maneuvers to make the bot crash etc. If it was truly rigged to prevent a players winrate from getting too high, my winrate would not keep going up. 

 

View PostGonerNL, on 07 August 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

 

 

I'm guessing that's their aileron roll to make you over-shoot. This is a maneuver especially effective against most mouse and keyboard players because they don't roll with you, they remain in a straight line, thus going faster than you while you bleed speed. 

GonerNL #64 Posted 07 August 2018 - 02:01 PM

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Mmmm, in an aileron roll you don't loose speed and don't change direction, 

https://www.youtube....h?v=RoozxdKky1c

 

but that's what the bots do, they just seem to stop in mid-air.

I'm using a joystick btw.



Horcan #65 Posted 07 August 2018 - 02:23 PM

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View Posteekeeboo, on 07 August 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

 

You can out fly and out perform these bots, you just need to know what your plane is good at and what their plane is good at. Try something different like 5m evasive maneuvers to make the bot crash etc. If it was truly rigged to prevent a players winrate from getting too high, my winrate would not keep going up. 

 

 

I'm guessing that's their aileron roll to make you over-shoot. This is a maneuver especially effective against most mouse and keyboard players because they don't roll with you, they remain in a straight line, thus going faster than you while you bleed speed. 

 

You want me to send you a replay of 1v1 , me Stuka and enemy human some russian GAA, where i captured 4 sectors and killed 9 planes, while the human enemy captured 2 secotrs and killed two planes. At some point remaining resources was 62:38 ( it was attrition) , then all of a sudden my team does absolutely no kill point until is 38:38. If that is not rigging , i dont know what it is. Ofc to the end i even lost the game, even if i was 16k points and the other guy was a bit over 5k. So stop giving yourself as an example , how you beat the hell out of everything and everybody. We all have our own experiences and play style, and when we are beaten by an afk muppet , we dont really enjoy it. Because RNG say so.

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View PostGonerNL, on 07 August 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

 

 

If you spend your time slamming on airbrakes and if your plane is naturally slower you transfer energy into other direction. You do lose some speed, if you don't follow the same you will eventually over-shoot. Same principle as the scissors maneuver that people generally fall into frequently. 

 

View PostHorcan, on 07 August 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

 

 

I would happily have you send a replay of it :great: Because there is no rigging, mm and the game client do not rig your results in a way to improve or nerf your winrate. You can happily see this in my previous streams and times playing where I will lose only an occasional game through not concentrating or paying attention to the game. Sometimes you lose some, sometimes you win them. There is no game rigging at all, the mm does not rig your games to give you different level bots or try to keep your winrate below a certain level. If that was the case you would not have people climbing at 80% winrate and further in various planes. 

 

Again it's not how many points you score it's where and when you score them. 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 07 August 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

 

If you spend your time slamming on airbrakes and if your plane is naturally slower you transfer energy into other direction. You do lose some speed, if you don't follow the same you will eventually over-shoot. Same principle as the scissors maneuver that people generally fall into frequently. 

 

 

I would happily have you send a replay of it :great: Because there is no rigging, mm and the game client do not rig your results in a way to improve or nerf your winrate. You can happily see this in my previous streams and times playing where I will lose only an occasional game through not concentrating or paying attention to the game. Sometimes you lose some, sometimes you win them. There is no game rigging at all, the mm does not rig your games to give you different level bots or try to keep your winrate below a certain level. If that was the case you would not have people climbing at 80% winrate and further in various planes. 

 

Again it's not how many points you score it's where and when you score them. 

 

Did i not explained good enough for you? it was 1v1 both in GAA, i captured 4 bases and destroyed 9 planes in a freaking Stuka with 37 cannons.. The other muppet did close to nothing. SO if i beat the crapout of the other human i expect to win. Not lose because his bots rocks and mine are disabled, as to not score 1 point from 62:38 to 38:38. ANd just because WG pays you to say otherwise, it doesnt mean its not rigging. I refuse to consider it coincidence for how often it happens , to so many people.

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View PostHorcan, on 08 August 2018 - 12:11 AM, said:

 

 

You detailed a scenario, I was looking forward to your replay to have a better understanding of your "detail". There's more to winning a game, than just farming points. Depending on the map you may have captured the same garrison 4 times, ignoring a command center and a missile base. This I explained to you previously on Albion Trump card when I won the map 4 times in a row against you in different planes on different sides. (You even asked me how it is you could have won, while i was allowed to control 3 sectors uncontested).  As long as you are not open to learning and understanding he nuances of the map and how your plane fits into the strategy and bot behaviour, you will always have these problems. 

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Since this morning the bots are able to fly through the mountains and the ground ........ without any damage of course !!!      Maybe some players have got a special edition or version of this game .... 

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View PostHorcan, on 08 August 2018 - 10:09 AM, said:

 

 

You must remember when I got you in the game literally the second after the previous discussion on "rigging" on the forums and you began to type in game "Tell me how I would have win this" and "How is this not rigged?!". As my memory is serving me well, but yours is faltering, I hear memory loss is a symptom of a head injury?

 

You claim you know the game mechanics, you know some of them, you do not know all of them and are plain and simple incorrect and wrong on others. There is NO, unequivocally absolutely NO rigging or MM system to suppress or limit your winrate or matching based on your skill level or winrate and affecting bots. 

 

The attitude of "know it all" comes from actually knowing how the system works, having played the game with the system in multiple forms and having checked the information. You are making false claims and whether you like it or not, you are wholly and simply wrong about the MM system and "rigging". I don't demand your respect, you earn respect, the fact you can't refrain from using insults and language that is derogatory means that respect is something you should spend more time getting familiar with. 

 

I do treat every player differently based on their skill level and experience. But if a player who is wrong about a mechanic refuses to listen and asks questions about a mechanic, then because they don't like the answer call you a liar and say it's wrong..... that's the situation we get now. 


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View Postzgubny, on 08 August 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

Since this morning the bots are able to fly through the mountains and the ground ........ without any damage of course !!!      Maybe some players have got a special edition or version of this game .... 

 

Do you have a replay? Was it an actual bot or a player? I know the server had a hiccup today, but I can't give more information without more detail. 

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You sure it's not your internet connection?  Cause thats happening to me right when both my daughters decide the time is right for streaming (streaming in, fortunately, not streaming out ...yet , (I hope :hiding:)


 


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You make me refrain to insults because you use the same attitude and tactics like every other WG employee. You answer to completely other issues than the people are upset about, to the point that i am made to believe you either try to get rid of us by giving copy paste answers or just solving tickets or posts by just writing various stuff unrelated so the person lose temper and give up, or the option two, that youre uncapable of understanding what people are complaining about. I dont care how many times you repeat the phrase that MM is fair and not rigged. When its AI vs AI, something in the game must decide which one wins, its something a 6yo could figure it out. And if its a game like the one i mentioned , when i totally outclass the human opponent , but all 14 of his bots wins vs 14 bots in my team , how the hell can i call it but not rigging?

As for arguing about, i recall something about me saying such thing( cant remember if it was you or not), but it was about the distribution of plane types and number of humans( good ones ), and flight vs no flight, not something that i dont know how game works and why dont you explain me what bases are for or how to win a game. 



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View Posteekeeboo, on 08 August 2018 - 11:25 AM, said:

 

Do you have a replay? Was it an actual bot or a player? I know the server had a hiccup today, but I can't give more information without more detail. 

 

i put the word "bots" in blue so as to identify the problem . and you answer me : "is it a bot or a player" , Eekeeboo i have nothing against you but i think you must let your place to somebody else now ....

 

 



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I can confirm that i just flew through a mountain minutes ago unharmed. I can send the replay to a mail , but not going to bother uploading it somewhere or anything.

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And I just had a game in RB-17 where none of my bombs hit. I know the drill, all by the book, and nothing exploded on the ground. Not missed - like I haven't dropped any.
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View Postzen_monk_, on 08 August 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

And I just had a game in RB-17 where none of my bombs hit. I know the drill, all by the book, and nothing exploded on the ground. Not missed - like I haven't dropped any.

 

yeah , same problem with rockets ....  i've launched all my rockets on a ground target and : nothing !

but they gonna tell us : you are not in the good topic , here it is about bots game ....

you have to put it in bug reporting please ...



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The next game, all was fine. Then in this one too - full drop, only one bomb exploded and waaaay off the mark. Like I wasn't dropping any.

 

And look at both opposing humans - obviously they knew what they've been doing, but suffered the same thing as I. I mean, there's no way for RB-17 to achieve this low, even on afk. And I was doing it all by the book, I know how to bomb and the crew was 10 skills.

 

https://i.imgur.com/vcvSVdo.png

 

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...and again. Out of full 18 bombs, only one explosion down there and very far from the mark. Slow flying, 2,2 k height. Today this is crap. What the hell happened during the night?


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zen_monk_ #79 Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:13 PM

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Eeke, you have RB-17. Go fly it please. Out of 5 games, only 1 was functioning as it should.
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View PostHorcan, on 08 August 2018 - 10:43 AM, said:

 

 

Spoiler

 

View Postzgubny, on 08 August 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

 

 

I "asked" you the question because until you say with 100% certainty and you checked (which you did not state) players when afk for a certain time are able to fly through ground with reduced damage. So you're welcome to think what you like, but a simple question requires a simple answer. Instead of providing this you gave the answer you did. 

 

View Postzen_monk_, on 08 August 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

 

 

Have you got the replay and did you submit a ticket?

 

View Postzgubny, on 08 August 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

 

 

No THEY are going to ask you the same question above and if you submitted a ticket. But if you like I can start thoroughly enforcing the rules again for you. 

 

 


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