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Me 262 to HG II - will it get better?


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zen_monk_ #1 Posted 14 September 2018 - 03:48 PM

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I suck in this plane, big time.

 

I know how to use altitude and speed and retain it and all that, but the guns - oh the guns... I can't hit anything. They are great for bomber formations (the way the plane was used in rl) but I simply can not use them in turning fight. Slow firing, slow shells... Power to you who can, I can't. I suck. There, I've said it.

 

Now for those of you who went further up the line, is GH II worth it?

 

And what guns you use / recommend to people who struggled with 262? Do you use 20 mm with this wonderful 700 ROF or the final 30 mm with 330 ROF (and maybe faster shells)?


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in the old time hg2 with mid gun was monsters

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HG2 with 20's are great, but the HGIII is just a 262 with more of everything. Tier 9 is fun, but you will not find too much joy at tier 10 if you're struggling with the tier 8 :( 

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Thank you both, you confirmed what I thought. Will be better, and mid guns.

 

And I'm not planing to go tier 10 anyway. More fun in 7-9 range and yes HG III looks like 262 on steroids with no option for high rof guns - and I suck big time on 262.

 

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9 was better than 10 

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View Postzen_monk_, on 14 September 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

Thank you both, you confirmed what I thought. Will be better, and mid guns.

 

And I'm not planing to go tier 10 anyway. More fun in 7-9 range and yes HG III looks like 262 on steroids with no option for high rof guns - and I suck big time on 262.

 

:honoring:

 

 

Confirmed :P 

well to be fair: the only thing a 262 is good at is GAA-hunting. I stated 1-2 times that the hitboxes for 262 30mm guns (T8-10) and the brit t9-10 guns have to be enlarged for balancing that issue. 20mm guns are currently unbeatable (there seem to be difference between hunter and heavy guns; Ta152 guns or KI 30mm are great).

 

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In order to play the german HF you need to master the 30 mm guns. If you use the 20 mm ones you are just a worse banshee.

The top 30 mm are great, they just need a bit more lead than the 20 mm ones.

But their damage is really awesome.

I still feel the japanese 30 mm guns are just better in every regard.

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262 guns are not so bad. You only need to give big lead when aiming, on turning plane it can be like 3 lengths of plane ahead, also faster the target the more lead is needed. I don't use use zoom, because often target is out of screen and you can't see him, for proper aim. I still like it and play daily doubles.

 

Anyway HG II is one of the best plane in the game. The 30 mm are great and strong, tho I have 10 points pilot and maxed 478 specialist. It's much better in everything then 262. Even as elite only is best of the 3. My is specialized into turning so is very agile and turn like F 94 or maybe slightly better. 

 

HG III is bad, it lacks rockets for head on, it's less agile so is harder to aim. It has same guns as HG II but is worse in everything except is little faster. I refuse to play daily doubles anymore. Maybe it gets better as specialist but not worth of suffer.

 

Problem of HG III are small maps and hard cap ceiling of 4500 meters, its like in cage. 


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Near the end of the grind I've actually started to like 262 in a strange way - you have to take it for what it is. Guns are extremely hard to master for turning combat, not so much in a proper lead - that's not the challenge - but the slow ROF and slow shells. 90% of the time I had a good lead, but you also have to time the sequence of shots right or they'll go one high one low and the enemy will fly between them. But...

 

I fully confirm all your advises from above (thank you again), and this is what I would said to me at the beginning (maybe this will help someone new who just started 262):

 

Maintain your height and speed and go for GA's only. You are fast and can reach them wherever they are. Along the way spray whatever is near your aim, but don't deviate much from the path to GA. That is your main purpose by far. They are slow, clumsy and huge so you'll hit them without much trouble. You will be able to deny the GA capability to the enemy, and while you'll not be the 1st on the board, you'll win 2/3 of the games. Very useful team plane, even if you do only this role. Use rockets much, head on or a split second before collision from the rear. Oh, RB-17s now have very nasty rear guns, approach with caution.

 

The problem with playing 262 is very human - "that's the uber plane, once I reach it I'll dominate the skies and will be able to kill all in all combat situations!". Not so much. In RL it was devastating for the bomber formations - that's why it was built - but for dogfights, only a handful of German aces scored multiple Mustang kills - but they were true Aces and prolly would do it in Cessnas too.

 

 

 

And HG II is a fantastic plane indeed. Had only two fights, have yet to master it, but it feels just right and I feel in it I'll be able to do all the things I've imagined I would do in 262.

 

I was lucky in already having German GA tier 10, so this was my "stock" configuration :-)

https://i.imgur.com/4DyXeFl.jpg

I've yet to research those ROF 700 20 mm's but the top 30 mm's are nothing like 262's and disintegrate everything I aim at. We'll see which one will be keepers.

 

So for all the new people, go through 262 and GH II will make it all worthwhile.

 

 

edit

Almost forgot for 262 - you indeed are devastating against the bomber formations, like you should be. In those situations you feel like in a true 262 roleplaying.

 


Edited by zen_monk_, 15 September 2018 - 11:03 PM.

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GonerNL #10 Posted 04 December 2018 - 12:20 PM

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I'm busy with the 109Z at the moment, so it will be some time to reach the 262 ... but looking forward to it, if only for the R4M rockets.

Know it only from the receiving end ; getting blasted by them mostly high up, flying XF5U or Do-335 ... most pilots line up, shoot and zoom by. No turning at all. Once they start doing that, I can kill them in a P-51H or XF5U.



Sidus_Preclarum #11 Posted 14 August 2019 - 04:08 PM

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I'm at the HG2 (kept the 262 also, because, well, BÖC) and hated it stock. And I researched the engines first, which is probably idiotic.

 

I now have the 20mm and I've fell in love with how they feel, especially how they sound. That "tearing" sound. Reminds me of the first time I used a MG42 in Red Ochestra (the first one.) :playing:



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Keep in mind specialized config will not let you use the 20mm - unless, you know, Specialization 2. Of which we know nothing atm.

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How are the top 30mm ?

 

I mean, the jump on the gun bar is almost comical, so it's more suspicious than anything. Does it turn back to "who the [edited]zeroed those, a [edited]KV2 witha 50% crew has less dispersion when snapshoting while driving down a 70° slope"?  :hiding:



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View PostSidus_Preclarum, on 15 August 2019 - 03:57 AM, said:

How are the top 30mm ?

 

I mean, the jump on the gun bar is almost comical, so it's more suspicious than anything. Does it turn back to "who the [edited]zeroed those, a [edited]KV2 witha 50% crew has less dispersion when snapshoting while driving down a 70° slope"?  :hiding:

They overheat quickly, but they do enough damage to kill anything (non-bomber/GAA) instantly. You fell them like a hybrid between 20mm and 30 mm: 20 mm's ROF and range; 30mm's damage and overheat.



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The HGIII is a candidate for second worst tier 10 in the game, in my opinion.  Of course the Cutlass is worse.

Piq_Mastika #16 Posted 19 August 2019 - 05:16 AM

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 17 August 2019 - 08:28 AM, said:

The HGIII is a candidate for second worst tier 10 in the game, in my opinion.  Of course the Cutlass is worse.

It's one of my favorites. Only XF can match HG3 speed and nothing matches it's gun.



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Where are the rockets??????

That is why I do not fly HG III


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View Postprawiejakzywiec666, on 19 August 2019 - 09:20 AM, said:

Where are the rockets??????

That is why I do not fly HG III

If you want rockets, HG2 is the plane - it has got the same gun. Afterall the rockets are not mandatory because the plane was only on paper. The main playing HG3 is to fly straight. If you killed something - fine. If not - make a 3km turn and try again (or pick another target). That's why it's purpose is killing bombers and GAA - they almost stay still. You can kill any of them in seconds, even before their gunner can aim.






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