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GonerNL #21 Posted 03 June 2020 - 03:30 PM

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Nah, I give up. Lower tiers are much more fun ... 

 

I keep running into all the wrong enemies ; those who know how to fly the 262, specced flights of Horton/P.203 and the same old problem specced 287's flying at 4km who just make mince-meat of heavies ...  2x20mm gunner beats 4x30mm. Pathetic.

 

Sorry Zen, this is not for me. Maybe when I turn masochist ...

 



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The tier VIII Me 262 isn't that bad really. I like it and I kept it. I think it is a bomber killer by all means, and surely we all agree it is absolutely necessary and so satisfying (!!!) to send bombers to where they belong!

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I would love too .. and was hoping that the 262 could.

But those Ju287's start hitting me from 1.5km distance and my range is 600mtrs ... not a snowball's chance in hell.



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I got as far as the HGII before giving up. Drove me nuts.

Ironically I have been playing the Me 410 recently, and enjoying it. I will give the 109-Z another go as I skipped past it too quick. But I aint going beyond that. No sir.

Merkwuerdigliebe #25 Posted 03 June 2020 - 11:18 PM

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262 is a great plane if top tier, while HGII is a wonderful plane when top tier and a good plane even when playin against tier 10. I think i couldn't say the same for many other planes.

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View PostMerkwuerdigliebe, on 04 June 2020 - 12:18 AM, said:

262 is a great plane if top tier, while HGII is a wonderful plane when top tier and a good plane even when playin against tier 10. I think i couldn't say the same for many other planes.

 

HGII is a wonderful plane, period.

Funny thing is, after I got and maxed out HG II now I can go back to 262 and actually enjoy a bit there - just a bit :teethhappy: Pester the bomber formations, a lone GAA, anything clumsy and big enough not to fly through my shells. But it lasts only a battle or two, then the feeling of desperation & dissapointment I had while I was grinding it return and 262 goes back to hangar to collect spider webs.

 

And i take HG II and say "yes, the troubles were worth it".


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View Postzen_monk_, on 04 June 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

then the feeling of desperation & dissapointment I had while I was grinding it return 

 

Exactly ... that's what I get now.

IF the HG II is really that good, maybe I could spend some free exp on the research ... I'm about half-way. But what makes it so much better ?? On paper it looks like the same clumsy whale that the 262 is ... RoF on top guns is a bit better but that's it.

And what really annoys me ; it's tier IX so even more super-bombers you can not kill.

 


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View PostGonerNL, on 04 June 2020 - 02:29 PM, said:

 

 But what makes it so much better ??

 

 

Guns, man. Guns that hit.

 

And wonderful rockets for head-ons, but most of all guns. Both second and the third are great.

 

 


Edited by zen_monk_, 06 June 2020 - 09:43 AM.

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All three 262 are the same, the difference is in max ceiling and speed mostly (higher tier means more of both). What's different among them is the weapon options, with the main armament being different for the base Schwalbe and both HG (low velocity, lower RoF Mk-108 on Schwalbe, higher velocity and higher RoF Mg-213/30 on both HG - these are a lot more comfortable to use than the basic 30mm Mk108). Also, ordnance, but I don't think anyone bothers carrying bombs on HGII or III. R4M are fun though, pity t10 is rid of them.

 

As such, they all play roughly the same. I find them to be more flexible than the US or UK line, but the devil is in the detail. While being very fast with good altitude, easily able to compete with the other HFs, range of the guns makes HG inadequate. As your job is other HF and bombers (and it's t9 and t10 bombers - vide another thread), this bird suddenly gets shafted hard. On their own, with bot bombers in game, HG is really fun and worth it; with a human bomber to fight against, that measly 600ish-700ish range just doesn't feel good enough. While with HGII you also have R4M, and that salvo coupled with the guns is a monster, HGIII has only the speed and heavy alpha to count on. If you botch your approach, if you end up exactly in the bomber's area of tail guns fire, it's painful.

 

262 in all flavours is the epitomy of all the German line - fast/very fast, with heavy alpha and average agility. If played with the strengths in mind (i.e. speed and altitude flexibility), and with some gunnery training (them Kannonen, tricky to aim with), it shines. I think the plane itself is rather fine, well-balanced and totally sexy, but the guns require a little more effort put in to make it work. You have the speed to get wherever you want, and then it comes to accurate shooting. If you can do it, you win - if you miss half the shots, 262 is dissapointing. It's a solid plane in my book, I like the way HGIII behaves in the air a LOT more than the Brit whale of US flying log.


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View Postapartclassic, on 04 June 2020 - 02:53 PM, said:

262 in all flavours is the epitomy of all the German line - fast/very fast, with heavy alpha and average agility. If played with the strengths in mind (i.e. speed and altitude flexibility), and with some gunnery training (them Kannonen, tricky to aim with), it shines. I think the plane itself is rather fine, well-balanced and totally sexy, but the guns require a little more effort put in to make it work. You have the speed to get wherever you want, and then it comes to accurate shooting. If you can do it, you win - if you miss half the shots, 262 is dissapointing. It's a solid plane in my book, I like the way HGIII behaves in the air a LOT more than the Brit whale of US flying log.

 

This. 

My 2 cents about 262 gunnery: since it tends to miss a lot of shots, a clever 262 pilot would have to:

1- go for Gas Operated as a mandatory equipment (as to say quantity over quality);

2- open fire below 500 meters;

3- pick the right targets (imho the most relevant of the three). An alerted LF is usually not an ideal target for a 262, even if when you're 1 vs 1 u can lead the engagement, and having enough time you'll kill him soon or later. 



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View PostGonerNL, on 04 June 2020 - 01:29 PM, said:

 

And what really annoys me ; it's tier IX so even more super-bombers you can not kill.

 

 Oh no, Goner. Trust me, in tier 9 no other plane can erase bombers like a HGII. (also because people do not tend to waste time speccing their tier 9 bombers since they all know the real candy is there for them in the next tier)

In tier 10 Javelin is my favourite bomber-hunter, because of that GAs-like HP pool.


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