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GonerNL #21 Posted 03 June 2020 - 03:30 PM

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Nah, I give up. Lower tiers are much more fun ... 

 

I keep running into all the wrong enemies ; those who know how to fly the 262, specced flights of Horton/P.203 and the same old problem specced 287's flying at 4km who just make mince-meat of heavies ...  2x20mm gunner beats 4x30mm. Pathetic.

 

Sorry Zen, this is not for me. Maybe when I turn masochist ...

 



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The tier VIII Me 262 isn't that bad really. I like it and I kept it. I think it is a bomber killer by all means, and surely we all agree it is absolutely necessary and so satisfying (!!!) to send bombers to where they belong!

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I would love too .. and was hoping that the 262 could.

But those Ju287's start hitting me from 1.5km distance and my range is 600mtrs ... not a snowball's chance in hell.



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I got as far as the HGII before giving up. Drove me nuts.

Ironically I have been playing the Me 410 recently, and enjoying it. I will give the 109-Z another go as I skipped past it too quick. But I aint going beyond that. No sir.

Merkwuerdigliebe #25 Posted 03 June 2020 - 11:18 PM

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262 is a great plane if top tier, while HGII is a wonderful plane when top tier and a good plane even when playin against tier 10. I think i couldn't say the same for many other planes.

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View PostMerkwuerdigliebe, on 04 June 2020 - 12:18 AM, said:

262 is a great plane if top tier, while HGII is a wonderful plane when top tier and a good plane even when playin against tier 10. I think i couldn't say the same for many other planes.

 

HGII is a wonderful plane, period.

Funny thing is, after I got and maxed out HG II now I can go back to 262 and actually enjoy a bit there - just a bit :teethhappy: Pester the bomber formations, a lone GAA, anything clumsy and big enough not to fly through my shells. But it lasts only a battle or two, then the feeling of desperation & dissapointment I had while I was grinding it return and 262 goes back to hangar to collect spider webs.

 

And i take HG II and say "yes, the troubles were worth it".


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View Postzen_monk_, on 04 June 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

then the feeling of desperation & dissapointment I had while I was grinding it return 

 

Exactly ... that's what I get now.

IF the HG II is really that good, maybe I could spend some free exp on the research ... I'm about half-way. But what makes it so much better ?? On paper it looks like the same clumsy whale that the 262 is ... RoF on top guns is a bit better but that's it.

And what really annoys me ; it's tier IX so even more super-bombers you can not kill.

 


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View PostGonerNL, on 04 June 2020 - 02:29 PM, said:

 

 But what makes it so much better ??

 

 

Guns, man. Guns that hit.

 

And wonderful rockets for head-ons, but most of all guns. Both second and the third are great.

 

 


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All three 262 are the same, the difference is in max ceiling and speed mostly (higher tier means more of both). What's different among them is the weapon options, with the main armament being different for the base Schwalbe and both HG (low velocity, lower RoF Mk-108 on Schwalbe, higher velocity and higher RoF Mg-213/30 on both HG - these are a lot more comfortable to use than the basic 30mm Mk108). Also, ordnance, but I don't think anyone bothers carrying bombs on HGII or III. R4M are fun though, pity t10 is rid of them.

 

As such, they all play roughly the same. I find them to be more flexible than the US or UK line, but the devil is in the detail. While being very fast with good altitude, easily able to compete with the other HFs, range of the guns makes HG inadequate. As your job is other HF and bombers (and it's t9 and t10 bombers - vide another thread), this bird suddenly gets shafted hard. On their own, with bot bombers in game, HG is really fun and worth it; with a human bomber to fight against, that measly 600ish-700ish range just doesn't feel good enough. While with HGII you also have R4M, and that salvo coupled with the guns is a monster, HGIII has only the speed and heavy alpha to count on. If you botch your approach, if you end up exactly in the bomber's area of tail guns fire, it's painful.

 

262 in all flavours is the epitomy of all the German line - fast/very fast, with heavy alpha and average agility. If played with the strengths in mind (i.e. speed and altitude flexibility), and with some gunnery training (them Kannonen, tricky to aim with), it shines. I think the plane itself is rather fine, well-balanced and totally sexy, but the guns require a little more effort put in to make it work. You have the speed to get wherever you want, and then it comes to accurate shooting. If you can do it, you win - if you miss half the shots, 262 is dissapointing. It's a solid plane in my book, I like the way HGIII behaves in the air a LOT more than the Brit whale of US flying log.


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262 in all flavours is the epitomy of all the German line - fast/very fast, with heavy alpha and average agility. If played with the strengths in mind (i.e. speed and altitude flexibility), and with some gunnery training (them Kannonen, tricky to aim with), it shines. I think the plane itself is rather fine, well-balanced and totally sexy, but the guns require a little more effort put in to make it work. You have the speed to get wherever you want, and then it comes to accurate shooting. If you can do it, you win - if you miss half the shots, 262 is dissapointing. It's a solid plane in my book, I like the way HGIII behaves in the air a LOT more than the Brit whale of US flying log.

 

This. 

My 2 cents about 262 gunnery: since it tends to miss a lot of shots, a clever 262 pilot would have to:

1- go for Gas Operated as a mandatory equipment (as to say quantity over quality);

2- open fire below 500 meters;

3- pick the right targets (imho the most relevant of the three). An alerted LF is usually not an ideal target for a 262, even if when you're 1 vs 1 u can lead the engagement, and having enough time you'll kill him soon or later. 



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View PostGonerNL, on 04 June 2020 - 01:29 PM, said:

 

And what really annoys me ; it's tier IX so even more super-bombers you can not kill.

 

 Oh no, Goner. Trust me, in tier 9 no other plane can erase bombers like a HGII. (also because people do not tend to waste time speccing their tier 9 bombers since they all know the real candy is there for them in the next tier)

In tier 10 Javelin is my favourite bomber-hunter, because of that GAs-like HP pool.


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Greetings (yey first post)

 

I have recently unlocked the HG II and I'm in two worlds about its speed. I have upgraded to the 20s with free exp as the stock 30s are horrendous when trying to have a good game. Does the difference in speed also become substantially better like with the T8 262? Going from 590km/h to 838km/h cruise speed is a huge jump in performance. Would the HG II top out at like 900+/-?

 

 

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View PostStripes900, on 20 July 2020 - 09:28 AM, said:

Greetings (yey first post)

 

I have recently unlocked the HG II and I'm in two worlds about its speed. I have upgraded to the 20s with free exp as the stock 30s are horrendous when trying to have a good game. Does the difference in speed also become substantially better like with the T8 262? Going from 590km/h to 838km/h cruise speed is a huge jump in performance. Would the HG II top out at like 900+/-?

 

 

 

There's a trick there, despite what your 262 shows - plane can NOT go faster than its dive speed. Even though it shows 1036kph, you will hit the hardcap at 1000kph. In other words, that heavy investment you did on your 262 is a tiny bit overkill. Assuming you use exactly the same equipment on both t8 and t9, HGII will be faster indeed. I think the difference would be about 50kph more (comparing the base speeds, then taking your 28% into account - roughly though, I'm just estimating). Now, this is with ordnance - I assume you're not carrying anything (bombs and rockets do slow a plane down), so I'd say you'll go somewhere around 1000kph with HGII, with your speed setup.

disclaimer: I'm not good at maths


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View Postapartclassic, on 20 July 2020 - 10:18 AM, said:

 

There's a trick there, despite what your 262 shows - plane can NOT go faster than its dive speed. Even though it shows 1036kph, you will hit the hardcap at 1000kph. In other words, that heavy investment you did on your 262 is a tiny bit overkill. Assuming you use exactly the same equipment on both t8 and t9, HGII will be faster indeed. I think the difference would be about 50kph more (comparing the base speeds, then taking your 28% into account - roughly though, I'm just estimating). Now, this is with ordnance - I assume you're not carrying anything (bombs and rockets do slow a plane down), so I'd say you'll go somewhere around 1000kph with HGII, with your speed setup.

disclaimer: I'm not good at maths

 

Good maths you've got there :P Yes that's true, but some where I read that the mean time from cruise to boost speed is always the same, so *in theory* I reckoned it will at least top out quicker. I got lucky with the calibration, 4 attempts to go from 400 to 450!

 

Do you maybe know what the requirements are for HG II specialist setup? I remember the 262 was around 100 kills



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Don't remember the reqs, sorry. As for acceleration - time from cruise to boost - it differs for each plane, or at least that's the consensus of veterans on WG Discord

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View PostStripes900, on 20 July 2020 - 01:09 PM, said:

Do you maybe know what the requirements are for HG II specialist setup? I remember the 262 was around 100 kills

 

The 262 is 180 aerial targets and 40 caps ...



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View PostGonerNL, on 20 July 2020 - 02:22 PM, said:

 

The 262 is 180 aerial targets and 40 caps ...

 

Wow I grossly underestimated that. 

 

Well I've played 24 battles now and I must say it gets a lot better with the upgrades. I have all but the top 30s. The battles I had with the lesser engines were terrible. Trying to BnZ and a T10 spec fighter just deletes me. The stock 30s are terrible in comparison to the 20s, so I am curious how the top guns will be. Hopefully it retains some of the accuracy of the 20s.



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Go for the top 30s. They obliterate what you're aiming at, and unlike the damn cursed 30s from 262, these do hit. Targets much less, if at all, fly through your burst.


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As already written here, 30mm HG cannons are very powerful, but thanks to the slow bullets, it is very difficult to hit the plane flying perpendicular to the direction of your flight. Therefore, it is always appropriate to shoot at a maximum angle of flight of about 45 degrees, and give a large suspension. A very good game can be played with the HG-III, but it must be flown as an overflow fighter with excess speed and focus on the primary objectives - bombers and attack planes.

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In my view, if it weren't for the Gutless the tier 10 Me 262 would easily be the worst tier 10 aircraft in the game.




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