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Shock_the_Monkey #1 Posted 10 October 2018 - 05:06 PM

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So, as the title suggests, I wanted to open up a discussion about Operation Orders currently available in the Flaming Shores event. I personally have enjoyed the few I have completed so far and it's given me a rather enjoyable and rewarding reason to spend more time on the game than I normally might, between the new Escort mode and the Supply Crates. However, I think there is something about the missions for certain aircraft, specifically in this case the Do 335, that I personally think just shouldn't be included, which makes the missions far more annoying instead of challenging.

 

I've since made a video on the topic which I will link below, in which I give my more in-depth thoughts and opinions on the matter, though as a TL;DR for those of you who don't want to watch, my point is that requiring you to win battles to complete missions is counter-intuitive.

 

The difficulty of the missions should decide if you get the rewards at the end or not, instead of how generous RNG or the Matchmaking system feels in those particular 24 hours.

 

I'd love for anyone who reads this to comment down below as I enjoy hearing the thoughts and opinions of others on a system I think was almost perfect, but fell short at the last hurdle (for me).

 



dreambill #2 Posted 10 October 2018 - 07:36 PM

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Missions for tier8 premiums never meant to be easy or logical. They basically act as an incentive to pay somehow (even at a discount) to get the plane.

(see tokens or certificates). They try to sell the planes, not gift them.

Now if you are a masochist with enough time to spare in the game, there is always a way to get them without paying, but you really have to try hard for them.

 



zumbledum #3 Posted 10 October 2018 - 07:52 PM

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i think there on the same level as the loot box's maybe a little worse.

zen_monk_ #4 Posted 10 October 2018 - 07:55 PM

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View Postdreambill, on 10 October 2018 - 07:36 PM, said:

 

 

Yes.

 

And if you do the unspeakable and accept to pay something to the people who provide you this game, it's a bargain: if you use certificates to skip one troublesome mission for you, Vampire is yours for 10 E. Skip two missions, less then 20 E. Skip all, it's 30 E. For a tier VIII rare premium. Fine by me.


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GonerNL #5 Posted 10 October 2018 - 08:46 PM

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View Postzen_monk_, on 10 October 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Skip all, it's 30 E. For a tier VIII rare premium.

 

I think I read that you need 7 x 86 certificates to skip all. That's 602 ...for €30 you get 500 certificates.

 

Aha : http://forum.worldof...725#entry572725

 

So far, I only got the ops orders for Ju 86 E, contents of crates was utter rubbish. Hopefully there's something in the promised extra crates.

First mission is easy (7 ground targets), the rest I will skip with certificates.

24 hours sounds nice, but I also have to sleep, eat, work and spend time with family & friends. So that's not a lot of real time to spend on missions. WG only cares for their 24/7 players it seems.

 

 

 


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View PostGonerNL, on 10 October 2018 - 08:46 PM, said:

. WG only cares for their 24/7 players it seems.

 

This goes only for those who want to play for free.

 

Many, many years ago I would have the time and resolve and the need to do so. But...

 

View PostGonerNL, on 10 October 2018 - 08:46 PM, said:

...but I also have to sleep, eat, work and spend time with family & friends. So that's not a lot of real time to spend on missions.

 

So I purchased this max package, I forgot the name, with 1.000 certificates and 25 crates.  In there I've got ALL the blueprints and enough certificates to enable me - with some planing and dodging the certification with an Ace here, Akamatsu or Expert pilot x2, Rank 1 in the game etc there - make them all. In a very short time, without any frustration whatsoever. This is what I got for that package:

 

 

And my business hasn't suffered nor my family or dog :-)


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Horcan #7 Posted 10 October 2018 - 10:54 PM

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If youre willing to spend, they are ok. I paid for 20% on the Caernarvon AX, not going to pay anything here because the game is actually going the other way that i would like it to go, with every patch ( they ruined MM even more in 2.0.7 imho ).

If youre not willing to pay, its nothing but frustration and better avoid it ( like that Vule777 guy ) by not even attempting the tier 8 orders. Painfull grinding at some stages, RNG bases medals at others. If you can play 2-3 hours in the day you start the order like me, there is absolutely close to zero chance to get a campbell for example, exactly at the stage where you need it. I dont know if you can get certificates in the crates ( didnt get any in the 5 crates i won, and no double crates so far ) and dont have tokens saved either (27 atm ). So i probably wont even attempt the tier 8 orders at all ( maybe in the last week, if there are certificates to be won, and i have tokens to extend some order for several days ).

Completed the tier 3 bomber and the venom without extend or skip, but the venom took some hours with some painfull grind, so those are doable, but not easy, maybe very hard for someone that started playing recently or is not that good at the game.

So overall, i dont think its a good addition to the game, but rather annoying to most people , except veterans who know what they are doing or people with too much money.



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View PostGonerNL, on 10 October 2018 - 08:46 PM, said:

 

I think I read that you need 7 x 86 certificates to skip all. That's 602 ...for €30 you get 500 certificates.

 

Aha : http://forum.worldof...725#entry572725

 

So far, I only got the ops orders for Ju 86 E, contents of crates was utter rubbish. Hopefully there's something in the promised extra crates.

First mission is easy (7 ground targets), the rest I will skip with certificates.

24 hours sounds nice, but I also have to sleep, eat, work and spend time with family & friends. So that's not a lot of real time to spend on missions. WG only cares for their 24/7 players it seems.

 

 

 

 

I got it in 24 hours by playing 3 hours  x 2 days. I was afraid the mission for 300 capture points in one sortie, but proved easy with Do 217.

Stratosphere (3500+) and kill 6 medium targets. Guaranteed with 4 bombs each, so you need 2 reloads and 3 drops.



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300 cap points is just to cap and defend hard - 40 points per plane requires 8 aerial kills within cap zones. Unfortunately battle achievements panel of light fighter shows only cap points scored during capturing, not defending.

 

Ju 86 are easy missions, no medals, no missions heavily depending on luck, just some of grind.

 

Vampire will be hard, token and time consuming, and I think I won't be even trying for Kozhedub medal, too much rng required.



blackmoomba #10 Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:39 AM

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Imo the events are a big success for both the game and the players. The game gets much more action, all the tiers are packed and players get a lot of rewards.

The point behind the orders is for everyone to PLAY, NOT to PAY. For some, it seems like an insult to be asked to put in some hours of honest "work".



zen_monk_ #11 Posted 11 October 2018 - 06:48 AM

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Some have already put hours of honest work (without quotes) so they can indulge their hobby with a simple credit card transaction without ever noticing the amount.

 

And to put you in a perspective, the point behind the orders is to PAY. Unless you think WG is a huge company made of altruists who sacrifice all their needs for your pleasure. And here it seems like an insult to put some money for it.


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blackmoomba #12 Posted 11 October 2018 - 07:57 AM

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WG is making money in the shop good enough... nobody is twisting your arm to put in the CC for planes that take between 1 and 4-5 hours of actual grind. Even if you have to extend the order, there are more than enough daily epic achievements to provide you the tokens to do it for free.

I for one haven't bought anything from WG for years now... but still managed to improve my collection of planes, pilots, extend the hangar, and on top of that, during the last event i doubled the amount of gold on the account only by playing. 2-3 hours in the evening/morning... more in the weekend.



zen_monk_ #13 Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:14 AM

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Good for you. Some of us do work and tend families, so that free time is much shorter. And that CC transaction lasts 10 seconds. Where did you find the "twisting my arm for it" part, or me having problems with paying for my entertainment?

 

 

View Postblackmoomba, on 11 October 2018 - 07:57 AM, said:

I for one haven't bought anything from WG for years now... but still managed to improve my collection of planes, pilots, extend the hangar...

 

So you still think they've founded their company so they can provide you your gaming for free?


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View Postzen_monk_, on 11 October 2018 - 08:14 AM, said:

So you still think they've founded their company so they can provide you your gaming for free?

 

If they wanted people not to play for free, they should not have set it up this way ... 

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As far as I'm concerned, people have every right to play for free and people also have the right to spend money on it ... I'm starting to wonder why, by the way ; it's not as if they are terrible concerned about the service to their paying customers.

 

And yes, I spent quite some money on Wowp over the past year ..

 



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Oh, I know what stands in promo pitch.

 

But can anyone of you answer this simple question: do you really think they've founded the company so you can enjoy for free?

 

A simple yes or no, please.


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GonerNL #16 Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:53 AM

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No, of course not (extended answer).

 

But everybody has the right to pay or play for free. 

 



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Of course, man.

 

But then they don't have the right to moan if the conditions for something valuable are extremely hard, next to impossible, if you want it for free.


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dreambill #18 Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:02 AM

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I haven't payed for more than a year, and I won't ever again, till they bring a mode close to old game back.

But I've got all planes in missions this period by playing the game. (lost the American tier8 for one out of 15 missions due not having enough time to spend)

The game is made to somehow get money from you. But you can play free and get a lot of stuff. Just need a lot of hours to get High tier premiums for free.

And at this miserable state it is, making players to play in a lot, filling ques, and testing this pre-alpha version is more valuable to WG, than money.

So either way they win

 


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zen_monk_ #19 Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:25 AM

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View Postdreambill, on 11 October 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

 

 

View PostGonerNL, on 11 October 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

 

 

I agree 100% with you guys on all points.

 

But my point is: if you want to freeload, don't protests here on how the conditions for the goodies are sooo hard.

 

 


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View Postzen_monk_, on 11 October 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

Of course, man.

 

But then they don't have the right to moan if the conditions for something valuable are extremely hard, next to impossible, if you want it for free.

 

The advertisement still says play for free. So it should still be possible to achieve everything without paying money.It can be hard but it should not be impossible.

The idea is that you let people play for free and if somebody wants to take a shortcut he can pay for it - pay for shortcuts, not pay to make it possible.






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