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zumbledum #1 Posted 10 November 2018 - 11:04 PM

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so unlocked the tier 6 one and must say its a disapointment. 

 

Its slow , it does have a good amount of HP 1600 (the tier 6 german dornier only has 1000) , its got a lot of guns to , a lot of 12mm guns. bottom line there good against light fighters especially if you can angle and put them in the sweet spot and bring 5 or so guns to bare. but being 12mm , so big and so slow your just food to anything but the light fighters. 

 

and i have been killed by just 4 hits from AA guns , again being slow and huge they just wreck.

 

but the big issue is the bomb load, the area i expected this carpet bombing beast to shine. and i like the idea it drops its full load in (originally one long drop , with the upgrade it drops in 2 batches of 8) at 1600 m where your very vulnerable to interception , at full boost the spreads too wide and wont reliable kill anything bar unarmoured small, if you go slow and have good straight line its hard to even hit 2 targets (yes on a fresh well backed military base you might get 3 per drop) but on a pre damaged target where the targets are apart you cant kill more than 2 targets in a full drop of 16 X 500lb bomb.

 

are the other two the same? am i missing the point? because right now it being pretty is its only plus point and the d0217 just vastly outclasses it.



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Can't say for tier 5 one, but tier 7 have 20 bombs dropout. So you can get few ground targets. Same reload time. Also you don't need to go in super straight line, you can bend it by little. It is better plane. 
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i don´t like the new bombers at all.

they´re incredible slow, have no altitude, no climb rate, really bad bombing mechanics, engines and gunners "break" all the time

the biggest problem is the bombing. dropping 10 or 20 bombs per click works for plants, CCs and rocket bases but for nothing else

the only good thing is when a fighter decides to attack you, he dies very quickly. but still, a heavy murders you in 5 seconds....



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I like them, but many people have a general problem to adapt their playstyle to the planes...

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View PostCruditatem, on 11 November 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

I like them, but many people have a general problem to adapt their playstyle to the planes...

 

care to share what you find to like in them? 

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I am always above 10000 .... 

 

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ok but i was more asking what about these planes you think is good or are you saying these are the only ones you get that high a score on so they must be good?

Tha_Truth #8 Posted 11 November 2018 - 06:23 PM

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i like the bombers allot,  keeping in mind that i hope the tweaking is not finished. Dead way too fast though. if it stays this way its not worth to play the bombers because dying is a 100% fact.  i can stay alive in any other plane during a match, with effort+luck.

 

in the b-32 its currently pure luck to stay alive.

 

i think it should be easier for a big plane to reach 3km and higher. it takes too long now.  Also,  4km for tier 7 big bomber isnt that high.  struggling to get up to 3.5km in a tier 7 high altitude bomber is a bit strange. i know its not a jet, but some tweaking for balance would be nice.  or just double the hitpoints. dying takes seconds with 1 or 2 enemy heavy fighters. b-32: Dead in 3-5 seconds, with a maxed out plane with super crew.

 

please add at least 1000 hitpoints (then 3k total), tweak bomb load to 4x 10 maximum. now=2x 20. it should be 4x 10. Add some extra resistance against AA. they are slow already.

 

The best thing is they are adding more planes. and more types/branches. Always a good thing to have a choice.

 

keep it up!

 

 

edit 2:  it could also be good, to reduce the accuracy, and increasing durability.  remember those bombers, even the carpet bombers, where pretty inacurate.   start at higher altitude, decrease accuracy, increase survivability a bit.


Edited by Tha_Truth, 11 November 2018 - 08:27 PM.

Fix in game flight-wing chat !!!!! 

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View Postzumbledum, on 11 November 2018 - 05:40 PM, said:

ok but i was more asking what about these planes you think is good or are you saying these are the only ones you get that high a score on so they must be good?

 

I get it more constant and the playstyle is very quite...lot of time to watch vids on other monitor....

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View PostTha_Truth, on 11 November 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

 

personally i dont see how b32 is tier7.  what willl be the tier 10?

 

http://forum.worldof...ng-wing-teaser/

 

(although I would like to see it as a Premium tier 8)


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View Postzen_monk_, on 11 November 2018 - 07:29 PM, said:

 

http://forum.worldof...ng-wing-teaser/

 

(although I would like to see it as a Premium tier 8)

 

YB-49 ???

 

 

Now ThaT would be Freakin Awesome


Fix in game flight-wing chat !!!!! 

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View Postzumbledum, on 10 November 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

so unlocked the tier 6 one and must say its a disapointment. 

 

Its slow , it does have a good amount of HP 1600 (the tier 6 german dornier only has 1000) , its got a lot of guns to , a lot of 12mm guns. bottom line there good against light fighters especially if you can angle and put them in the sweet spot and bring 5 or so guns to bare. but being 12mm , so big and so slow your just food to anything but the light fighters. 

 

and i have been killed by just 4 hits from AA guns , again being slow and huge they just wreck.

 

but the big issue is the bomb load, the area i expected this carpet bombing beast to shine. and i like the idea it drops its full load in (originally one long drop , with the upgrade it drops in 2 batches of 8) at 1600 m where your very vulnerable to interception , at full boost the spreads too wide and wont reliable kill anything bar unarmoured small, if you go slow and have good straight line its hard to even hit 2 targets (yes on a fresh well backed military base you might get 3 per drop) but on a pre damaged target where the targets are apart you cant kill more than 2 targets in a full drop of 16 X 500lb bomb.

 

are the other two the same? am i missing the point? because right now it being pretty is its only plus point and the d0217 just vastly outclasses it.

try flying them at 2500 meters  boosting while dropping bombs…  works for me

 



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View PostFlyingDutchman69, on 11 November 2018 - 09:06 PM, said:

try flying them at 2500 meters  boosting while dropping bombs…  works for me

 

 

well as i understand it being higher makes it less accurate so that wouldnt help would it? and not many games go on that long (joking about its rather arthritic climb rate ;))

 

but no, in the day since i started this ive both seen others and flown it out enough to know its just not for me i dont have the luck to use these inacurate bombers , it works great for you but for me it always seems to leave one section in every target its an excercise in frustration for me.and im too used to being able to flip a base in one pass in other bombers. an yes thtas possible in the b-17 it is far too reliant on luck for me. 



arcticstorm123 #14 Posted 12 November 2018 - 07:43 AM

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Almost every bomber in the game people tend to use above the "operating height".

 

Been flying GA's over the weekend, and must say being on the receiving end of these things is weird, only way I can describe it is like watching a Vietnam era napalm attack. 

 

I was actually in the middle of one bombing run yesterday, you are focusing on a target and suddenly everything just erupts around you!!, I didn't see any lack of accuracy in that attack, this guy took out almost every target, I was in a tier 7 or 8 so think it must have been the B32?

 

Must say the way they have done the graphics from the ground is quite impressive, and for some reason if you are from one team or the other you don't die from being in the centre one of these attacks, was flying along at one point yesterday and the whole screen around my plane was flames lol 


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View PostCruditatem, on 11 November 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

 

I get it more constant and the playstyle is very quite...lot of time to watch vids on other monitor....

 

And I was wondering where an how to find enjoyment in Conquest.... :teethhappy::facepalm:

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View PostCheefCoach, on 11 November 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

Can't say for tier 5 one, but tier 7 have 20 bombs dropout. So you can get few ground targets. Same reload time. Also you don't need to go in super straight line, you can bend it by little. It is better plane.

 

I have the tier5 and 7. With all of them you have max two drops. The tier7 (B-32) has 2x20 bombs and can create a carpet through the whole cap. The tier5 can take out max two targets per drop, maybe three with full boost.

I like that there is something new but these are not my first choices to do missions.



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View Postzumbledum, on 10 November 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

so unlocked the tier 6 one and must say its a disapointment. 

 

Its slow , it does have a good amount of HP 1600 (the tier 6 german dornier only has 1000) , its got a lot of guns to , a lot of 12mm guns. bottom line there good against light fighters especially if you can angle and put them in the sweet spot and bring 5 or so guns to bare. but being 12mm , so big and so slow your just food to anything but the light fighters. 

 

and i have been killed by just 4 hits from AA guns , again being slow and huge they just wreck.

 

but the big issue is the bomb load, the area i expected this carpet bombing beast to shine. and i like the idea it drops its full load in (originally one long drop , with the upgrade it drops in 2 batches of 8) at 1600 m where your very vulnerable to interception , at full boost the spreads too wide and wont reliable kill anything bar unarmoured small, if you go slow and have good straight line its hard to even hit 2 targets (yes on a fresh well backed military base you might get 3 per drop) but on a pre damaged target where the targets are apart you cant kill more than 2 targets in a full drop of 16 X 500lb bomb.

 

are the other two the same? am i missing the point? because right now it being pretty is its only plus point and the d0217 just vastly outclasses it.

 

you need to play bombers more, then, the drops on both the B-17s are not where they have problems.  Depending on layout of ground targets, I can reliably kill 2 or more ground targets easily.  I have this on the NA server.  

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View Postzen_monk_, on 11 November 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

 

http://forum.worldof...ng-wing-teaser/

 

(although I would like to see it as a Premium tier 8)

 

I would love to see B47 as a T10 :) Imo one of the most beautiful bombers ever made :) 

arcticstorm123 #19 Posted 18 November 2018 - 08:04 AM

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I don''t have it on the last engine yet but as far as the B17G goes:

 

1. I'd like to be able to get to altitude and targets a bit quicker (depending on the map and how far we are into the game you can often find GA's got there first and the targets are widely separated, don't mind too much but seems a bit silly dropping this kind of load to take out whats left of AA guns.) with patience you can get to 3000 meters, although 2500 is easier and you get intercepted less, like I said most bombers fly above the rated height in this game

 

2. Defensive guns definitely need work, if my DO217, RB17 and other bombers can shred attacking single engined fighters then so should this, in historical terms it was expected the B17 would be flying in formation and would have coperative gun fire from other B17's, (think of the bot B17's in the games bot bomber streams), defensive guns feel under powered by comparison with other bombers, and as you are not flying with other bombers giving cover we can skip historical accuracy and up the firepower a bit (or give us a friendly bot p51d escort, the homicidal "chase you over the map kind" lol).

 

3. Damage, it is killed far to easily, in real life these things soaked up large amounts of damage, I don't mean godlike but at least something similar to other bombers in the game now.

 

You find when one of these is in game fighters are queuing up to take a crack at it, not unusual to have 2-3 chasing you, now it could be because they are new but in the B17's case (both of them) it feels more like "good easy kill" you don't see this with other bombers at the same tier, as a matter of fact single engine turn fighters approach you very carefully unless they are new to attacking bombers.

 

I play bombers regularly and I have most of them, the B17 feels a bit weak in comparison with others, and yes I'm doing the usual upgrades but I have the feeling this isn't going to compensate much.

 

Overall I like the plane but it needs some tweaks above and beyond upgrades, equipment and crew skills.


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B17G and B32 shred Single Fighters in Seconds...just the D Version is way undergunned, also if there are heavies  i turn and circle so most of the guns shoot at them, they are also fast down 




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