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levlos #21 Posted 08 October 2019 - 08:28 AM

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View PostGonerNL, on 11 July 2019 - 08:04 AM, said:

So this line is worthwhile to keep grinding ??

I just researched the P.1056, but after the Mosquito and Hornet disappointments I'm not sure ... 


Hey Goner !

 

I found the Mosquito a bit bland after the uber-power of the widow-making Beaufighter, but I found the Hornet to be a beast. The four 20mm guns seem a bit indifferent on paper, but if you do not mount any ordnance and play it like a pure heavy fighter, the Hornet can out-climb even a Me-262 at the right altitude. I found it very pleasant to fly, quick to get into the fight, and quick to exit. Plus, nobody thinks you are a menace until you shot them twice and its almost too late :)
The P.1056 I struggled more with, because of the double calibre guns. I found it more flexible when with full 20mm guns. The 37mm guns kind of specialize you more towards the anti-bomber role, plus the odd heavy fighter that unwisely did not see you enter his immediate vicinity. Deflection shots and attacks on enemy fighters are more random now: a 37mm will cripple the target, but its quite a challenge to land that hit.

Plus, the performance gap between heavies and fighters tends to narrow in the upper tiers. Meaning, you cannot open the throttle anymore and climb at 80 degrees in your P.1056 and expect the fighter that you could not finish to simply stall behind you after 8 seconds of (his) boost. In the P.1056, after a failed boom and zoom on enemy P.010101010101  binary fighters, I found myself being tailed at 3500 meters and at full boost by my prey (probably using a boost module). Fiery demise follows switfly :)

So with the P.1056, you have to be much more cautious than with, say, the Hornet. Bombers you will eat up like no tomorrow: you can boost up from ground level to 3000 meters in less than 10 seconds and rip up that B-32 or Junkers before they even realize what fell upon them. Beware the enemy jets though.
I specialized the P.228 a couple of days ago, and now it turns in 13.8 seconds and rolls like a multi-role (120 degrees per second if I remember well). Flying is quite more pleasant with the light-engines and wing upgrade -its not a brick anymore. I can now take on any other heavy in the game easily (those poor Me.262 guys...) and the extra rolling and turning helps me better adjust tricky deflection shots. Bombers are vaporized within seconds before you even overheat (at medium ranges, that is, dispersion is still average). Against fighters, the ADEN guns are a pain: I have very little feedback from tracers to where the bullets are going, and deflection shots are pretty hard to land. I dont know why, but I have the impression that only a very small fraction of my bullets have tracers: its like firing an invisible laser. I am always a bit surprised when I hear the impact sound on a turning target. The rate of fire is very agerage, so that that P.010101010101 will often pass between your shots. Darn it.

 

Stay high, at about 3000-3500 meters, and choose your targets wisely, and the P.228 will love you back. Do not dive over an airbase full of red icons if you are not top tier. You will average about 7000-9000 points of damage every game easy.

 

I haven't reached the javelin yet. (it will be my 1st tier X aicraft, yay !!!!!)

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GonerNL #22 Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:51 AM

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View Postlevlos, on 08 October 2019 - 10:28 AM, said:

the Hornet can out-climb even a Me-262 at the right altitude.

 

That's exactly my problem with the UK heavies ; max altitude is pathetic !

I might try the P.1056, it's not too expensive (I will miss the UK discounts because of vacation), but right now I'm busy with my Yak-30 and Mig-15bis, more my style ;-)

 

There are some lines I struggle with ; Yak-9, Fw-190/Ta-152, P-47 and UK heavies ...

 



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View Postlevlos, on 08 October 2019 - 08:28 AM, said:

 Against fighters, the ADEN guns are a pain: I have very little feedback from tracers to where the bullets are going, and deflection shots are pretty hard to land. I dont know why, but I have the impression that only a very small fraction of my bullets have tracers: its like firing an invisible laser. I am always a bit surprised when I hear the impact sound on a turning target. The rate of fire is very agerage, so that that P.010101010101 will often pass between your shots. Darn it.

 

For this plane to be a monster, you must have this:

 

- Marksman 1 & 2 for the pilot

- Gyroscopic Sight to 478

- Gas-Operated Action guns to 478

 

...then it becomes Thor.


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View Postzen_monk_, on 07 October 2019 - 08:42 PM, said:

I would very much like to hear your comments after you max it out. You will laugh at your sentence "...can't do the damage on a run..." This plane is guns, nasty hard hitting monstrous ADENs. A devastator in a single pass.

 

My rave is based on a maxed out, fully spec'd plane as illustrated in an OP pic, with a pilot with those skills. Meet those criteriums, make it as I did and showed to all,  and everything will be different.


I strongly suspect it'll be like the Mosquito and Hornet, when maxed I'll be a very happy chappy :)



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View Postdapprman, on 08 October 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:


I strongly suspect it'll be like the Mosquito and Hornet, when maxed I'll be a very happy chappy :)

 

No.

 

It will be immensely better.

 

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View Postzen_monk_, on 08 October 2019 - 10:25 AM, said:

 

For this plane to be a monster, you must have this:

 

- Marksman 1 & 2 for the pilot

- Gyroscopic Sight to 478

- Gas-Operated Action guns to 478

 

...then it becomes Thor.

 

Hey Goner,

 

I went for Engine Guru I & II instead of Marksman, aerodynamics expert and eagle-eyed (to be replaced when skill points increase): I value my speed more than my aim, to be honest. Not that it helps escaping a Me P.1010101010101 -it does not-, but it allows me to surprise unsuspecting targets across the map. We all know what happens when the 30mm shells meet someone who is not maneuvering to evade them, do we ? :) 

I was lucky that my sight module had +3 and +5 accuracy bonuses within its upgrades.

The modules I did not calibrate that fully, for I am not Croesus and millions of credits are needed to boost those modules to those values. I already spent 2 millions to have an well calibrated lightweight engine and wing, and I want to get that Javelin before 2022 !

 

Enjoy and Eat fruits,

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View Postlevlos, on 09 October 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:

 

I went for Engine Guru I & II instead of Marksman, aerodynamics expert and eagle-eyed (to be replaced when skill points increase): I value my speed more than my aim, to be honest.

 

This plane is guns.

 

All else can be goodish but the guns, aiming and RoF must be high end.


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I finished it! Was a pleasant grind after getting the ADEN. :great:  Properly also because I finally fully embraced the bomber-hunting role and dropped all ordnance. :playing:

 

I did run it with Engine Guru I, Marksman I and aerodynamics expert.

Now I just need to find the 6m credits for the Javelin....:hiding: But looking forward to it, will be my first T10. :child:



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Still haven't purchased the P.1056 ; there were more interesting lines to do.

But maybe I should now go for it ... especially the 'bomber hunting' sounds good. 



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I guess I shouldn’t have ground this line from tier 3 to tier 9 in a day, since none of the aircraft have left a lasting impression.  I do love the mighty Gloster Javelin at tier 10 though, even despite the fact I’m rubbish in it.

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 13 January 2020 - 12:40 PM, said:

I guess I shouldn’t have ground this line from tier 3 to tier 9 in a day, since none of the aircraft have left a lasting impression.  I do love the mighty Gloster Javelin at tier 10 though, even despite the fact I’m rubbish in it.

 

Really ?

 

You missed on the potent might of the tier IV Blenheim I F, the crushing domination of the tier V Beaufighter, the lusty prowess of the tier VII Hornet, the brutal puissance of the tier VIII P.1056 in a day ?

 

If you were the god of the Christians, you would have created the world in 2 hours and 7 seconds, and we would look like amoeba with a pseudopod out of our butt:)


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I only really liked the Beaufighter and was very unimpressed with the Mosquito and Hornet ... that's why I wasn't very keen on trying tier VIII.

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View PostGonerNL, on 13 January 2020 - 01:39 PM, said:

I only really liked the Beaufighter and was very unimpressed with the Mosquito and Hornet ... that's why I wasn't very keen on trying tier VIII.

 

...because you haven't paid attention to huge improvements waiting you on tier VIII. You are entering jet age, son. The game changer starts there, and the ugly duckling fully transforms on tier IX and X

 


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As an aside, the one day grind I mention above would probably be a two day grind nowadays.   The economy of the game was nerfed in mid 2018 and, though it’s still generous compared to, say, World Of Tanks, I don’t think I’d be able to go from tier 3 to tier 9 in a single day any longer.

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View Postzen_monk_, on 13 January 2020 - 02:21 PM, said:

 You are entering jet age, son. 

 

Tell that to the light fighters ... everything with a prop and some guns is able to outclimb, outturn, outspeed and outshoot me. Getting killed by Yaks, Mustangs etc ... if this is a bomberkiller, who does it turn into a overloaded lorry at 3km ??

Took me 6 battles to even get my pilot to 100%. Not impressed so far ... P.1056 that is.



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View Postzen_monk_, on 13 January 2020 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

...because you haven't paid attention to huge improvements waiting you on tier VIII. You are entering jet age, son. The game changer starts there, and the ugly duckling fully transforms on tier IX and X

 

Yeah, going from 4x20mm to 4x20mm and 2x40mm is a brutal step up.



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Sure, weapons are OK.

The main problem is getting them lined up on targets ; I can kill bombers and heavies that turn as bad as the P.1056 but the rest I can only try (not very successfully) to run away from.

And the range is not very good, an RB-17 starts hitting you from over a km away and my range is not even 800 meter.

 



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...and yet every time I say "guys, first 5 skill points should be spent on MM 1+2" (with one of the perks being for actively maneuvering target) almost all of you go "nah, it's useless, it's better spent on XYZ".


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I believe you.

The problem that I have with the P.1056 is that it is so slow and turns so bad that I can not even get my sight on the enemy plane (except when it's a bomber or heavy) ... and without that, marksman skills are useless I guess. (I do have MM1 by the way). 

 

 



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This is one of the aircraft where there’s a strong argument for the gunsight/MM1/MM2 combination being your priority, along with the gas-operated equipment to improve the rate of fire.  That has to be balanced with improving the speed and acceleration, so EG1 & -2 are also valid choices.




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