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Piq_Mastika #1 Posted 09 January 2019 - 12:46 PM

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Hello all, after one week we will have an access to the newest plane - Hawker Hunter, tier X multirole British plane.

This plane is one of the most advanced first-generation jet fighter, introduced in 1954 and retired from military service all the way through 2014. Nevertheless it is still active as civilian aircraft and as an aggressor in the military exercises. This makes Hawker Hunter one of the aircrafts with the longest service. It is said the Hunter proved to be much more successful than the Supermarine Swift.

Hawker Hunter is equipped with 4x ADEN 30mm cannons. It's swept-wing, attached in the middle of the fuselage at 35o allows reaching very high speeds, compared to the straight wings of de Havilland Vampire, de Havilland Venom and Gloster Meteor.

Here is some specifications, compared Hunter to Swift:

Hunter:                                                   Swift:

Crew:                                         One                                                       One

Length:                                      14.00m (45 ft 11 in )                   12.88 m (42 ft 3 in )

Wingspan:                                 10.26 m (33 ft 8 in)                      9.85 m (32 ft 4 in )

Height:                                       4.01 m (13 ft 2 in)                        4.02 m (13 ft 2 in)              Hunter is bigger, so maybe slower ingame

Wing area:                                 32.42 m² (349 ft²)                        30.5 m² (328 ft² )                Hunter have bigger wing area, so maybe higher ceiling

Empty weight:                          6 405 kg(14 122 lb)                      6 094 kg (13 435 lb )          Hunter is heavier, so maybe will be slower with slower acceleration

Loaded weight:                        8 050 kg(17 750 lb)                                               -

Max. takeoff weight:               11 158 kg (24 600 lb)                    9 381 kg(21 673 lb)

Powerplant:                             1 × Rolls-Royce Avon                   1 × Rolls-Royce Avon        Same or similar engine power

Maximum speed:                     1 150 km/h (715 mph)                  1 148 km/h (713 mph)       Same or similar top speed

Service ceiling:                        15 240 m (50 000 ft)                     13 960 m (45 800 ft)          Hunter have small advantage in service ceiling

Rate of climb:                           87.4 m/s (17 200 ft/min)               74.5 m/s (14 660 ft/min)

Armament:                               4x30 mm (1.18 in)ADEN               2x30 mm (1.18 in)ADEN   More guns may mean slower speed

Rockets:                                   Air to ground:                                                                          Rocket or bombs may slow the top speed

4x18 68 mm (2.68 in) or

32x 80mm (3.15 in) or

air to air missiles or

4x bombs                        


 

Historically, the Hawker Hunter is similar to the Swift, however the game developers may change the ratio between the two fighters, due to balance. Here are few Hunter pics:

Hunter - Shuttleworth Military Pageant June 2013 (9187713516).jpgHawker Hunter.svg

Hunter in flight                                                        Outboard bombs                                                                                                          4x ADEN

Thanks for the time, I hope this will be interesting for you as it was to me while searching the info and writing this topic. :honoring:

 


 

*Update: Muhammad Mahmood Alam (1935-2013) was a Pakistani fighter pilot, during the Indo-Pakistani War (1965) piloting F86 Sabre. In one mission on 7 September 1965, Alam downed five Indian Hawker Hunters in less than a minute, the last four within 30 seconds, establishing a world record. Later, only 4 kills were recognized, some sources attributing one of the losses to technical failure or some other cause


Edited by Piq_Mastika, 11 January 2019 - 12:45 PM.


zen_monk_ #2 Posted 10 January 2019 - 02:49 PM

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Thank you for this wonderful info. GJ!

 

I am so much looking forward to Hunter that I've already made 380k free XP to unlock and buy it the very first second it arrives. It will be good in flight characteristics (it has to be, it is such a great rl plane) but what's more important, it will have 4 ADEN. And that's some serious firepower for a fast and nimble plane.

 

Basically you'll get a very slightly clumsier Swift but immensely more powerful in armament & ordnance. I accept this deal gladly!


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GonerNL #3 Posted 10 January 2019 - 03:30 PM

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I just hope for ONCE this plane will come with Dutch air force markings ... there are 2 Hunters that are airworthy. 

They were grounded after an accident with a Hunter during a UK air show, but flying again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFlcuBzVA64

 


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Piq_Mastika #4 Posted 10 January 2019 - 04:20 PM

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View PostGonerNL, on 10 January 2019 - 05:30 PM, said:

I just hope for ONCE this plane will come with Dutch air force markings ... there are 2 Hunters that are airworthy. 

They were grounded after an accident with a Hunter during a UK air show, but flying again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFlcuBzVA64

 

 

It is more than possible to see Dutch paint. As I know if flied for Netherlands, too.

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One of the most famous actions of Hunters, now all but forgotten. Chile 1973, military junta coup, a group of Chilean Air Force Hawker Hunter jets bombed the Presidential Palace.

 

 


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houghtonbee #6 Posted 11 January 2019 - 08:56 AM

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Looking forward to grinding the Hunter (unlocked the Typhoon, but wont get as far as unlocking the Tempest), can't be as hopeless as the Swift is in my hands :D 

RoyalFlyingCorps #7 Posted 12 January 2019 - 08:53 AM

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I'm betwixt and between on this one.  Yes, I will welcome a new tier 10 aircraft in the hangar - I'm in the fortunate position of being able to research it and set it to elite status the moment I see it - but there will be the unsettling thought that this "historical" aircraft is one I used to watch taking off and landing regularly at various RAF bases when I was a lad.  I'm not sure I like the idea of being in the same "historical" time frame! :)

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Oh, as an aside; the Supermarine Swift was introduced as a kind of "insurance" against the Hawker Hunter not being a success.  It turned out that the latter was a much better aircraft.  Within the game the Swift is a plane I regard as requiring a high level of skill to play effectively and, further, it is also one that benefits greatly from the right kind of specialisation when eventually you manage that.

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Piq_Mastika #9 Posted 12 January 2019 - 09:01 AM

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 12 January 2019 - 10:53 AM, said:

I'm betwixt and between on this one.  Yes, I will welcome a new tier 10 aircraft in the hangar - I'm in the fortunate position of being able to research it and set it to elite status the moment I see it - but there will be the unsettling thought that this "historical" aircraft is one I used to watch taking off and landing regularly at various RAF bases when I was a lad.  I'm not sure I like the idea of being in the same "historical" time frame! :)

 

There is no chance to be the same. The Hunter will be balanced of course. There are t10's who were built in 1945 and retired 3-4 years later. Compared to the 50 year Hunter history means the Hunter was really great one.

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Then perhaps with a similar history I can regard myself as a "really great one"! :D

We'll wait to see how it's balanced in the game.  I don't expect authenticity from WoWP at this level so anything from "turkey" to "OP" seems possible.




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