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Sabbatex_KLR #1 Posted 29 May 2019 - 09:49 AM

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So fed up with the player profile plane stats. They are confusing, meaningless, lacking basic fundamental info,, don't tally between in-game and website. So am going to start keeping my own spreadsheet of my games with simple basic information. Hmmmm where to start? I know..... WINRATE!!!!!! Of each plane. The piece of information even a 5 year old could see is the most important! 

Piq_Mastika #2 Posted 29 May 2019 - 09:53 AM

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View PostCaptBoombeard, on 29 May 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

So fed up with the player profile plane stats. They are confusing, meaningless, lacking basic fundamental info,, don't tally between in-game and website. So am going to start keeping my own spreadsheet of my games with simple basic information. Hmmmm where to start? I know..... WINRATE!!!!!! Of each plane. The piece of information even a 5 year old could see is the most important!

 

Somewhere was noticed the winrate per plane can't be accurate at this state of the game. The reason is the big airfields, where you can swap between the planes. If winrate is added it will not be accurate at all.

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View PostPiq_Mastika, on 29 May 2019 - 09:53 AM, said:

 

Somewhere was noticed the winrate per plane can't be accurate at this state of the game. The reason is the big airfields, where you can swap between the planes. If winrate is added it will not be accurate at all.

 

The winrate of a sinlge plane will always be accurate.

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View PostCaptBoombeard, on 29 May 2019 - 10:02 AM, said:

 

The winrate of a sinlge plane will always be accurate.

 

Can be misleading if you switched 2, 3, some even 4 planes in a victory. All of them will score a victory but it would actually be 1/2, 1/3 etc.


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View Postzen_monk_, on 29 May 2019 - 10:06 AM, said:

 

Can be misleading if you switched 2, 3, some even 4 planes in a victory. All of them will score a victory but it would actually be 1/2, 1/3 etc.

 

As soon as a plane enters the battle it is influencing it, not least because we now have a huge specialist emblem saying 'shoot me first'. So the winrate for each plane will reflect the influence on each battle. So winrate will be accurate. I think you are trying to correlate it to overall battles played, that is not what I am talking about and isn't required, nobody ever crosschecks the winrates in tanks to see if they match up, it is purely for information on how well your plane is doing for you each time it is played. 

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Some weeks ago, they changed the available data on the clan websites.

Winrate is one thing, but in my opinion there are some other values, that could be interesting, like for example the average number of planes you have shot down, how much average damage you made and things like this.

That is what is shown on the clan sites...

Maybe that is helpful?


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View Post0berhessen, on 29 May 2019 - 10:21 AM, said:

Some weeks ago, they changed the available data on the clan websites.

Winrate is one thing, but in my opinion there are some other values, that could be interesting, like for example the average number of planes you have shot down, how much average damage you made and things like this.

Maybe that is helpful?

 

Yes haven't got that far yet. In tanks it was generally said that winrate was a reflection of your teams' ability and yours was average damage per tank. To be effective in a battle you needed to do the equivalent of your own tank in hp, ie take out your opposite number. In planes it is quite different though. I think damage per sortie is complete rubbish though because some planes are best played in extreme attacking mode where you get killed many times per battle. So yes stats per battle are what I am after, no matter how short a time the plane might be in battle.

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View PostCaptBoombeard, on 29 May 2019 - 10:29 AM, said:

 

Yes haven't got that far yet. In tanks it was generally said that winrate was a reflection of your teams' ability and yours was average damage per tank. To be effective in a battle you needed to do the equivalent of your own tank in hp, ie take out your opposite number. In planes it is quite different though. I think damage per sortie is complete rubbish though because some planes are best played in extreme attacking mode where you get killed many times per battle. So yes stats per battle are what I am after, no matter how short a time the plane might be in battle.

 

But at least i think most WG-Stats are rubbish, as they do not show your true performance in a battle.

Doesn´t matter if here or on the Tanks site.

Because it doesn´t really matter how many planes you shot down, as it depends on capturing and holding (more) sectors than the enemy.

You can capture and hold an airfield, shoot down the swarms of enemy bots who try to cap it back, while the enemy takes base after base.

You will end up with a great average number of planes shot, made possibly a big number of damage... but what for if you loose the battle?

I havent seen a statistic for average captured bases.

And to be honest it is still a riddle to me why and how to get the chevrons for the different plane types - even if i accidently do it right sometimes...


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Sabbatex_KLR #9 Posted 29 May 2019 - 10:46 AM

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View Post0berhessen, on 29 May 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

 

But at least i think most WG-Stats are rubbish, as they do not show your true performance in a battle.

Doesn´t matter if here or on the Tanks site.

Because it doesn´t really matter how many planes you shot down, as it depends on capturing and holding (more) sectors than the enemy.

You can capture and hold an airfield, shoot down the swarms of enemy bots who try to cap it back, while the enemy takes base after base.

You will end up with a great average number of planes shot, made possibly a big number of damage... but what for if you loose the battle?

I havent seen a statistic for average captured bases.

And to be honest it is still a riddle to me why and how to get the chevrons for the different plane types - even if i accidently do it right sometimes...

 

Absolutely. The number of times I tag and drag 2 specialists and 2 bots away from a zone and even hit my breaks so they don't disengage, drag them into a corner of the map, allow my players to flip sector, they kill me. I respawn back at place quicker than I could have flown. But now as I get better at playing the game solo ( sometimes in flight but rarely) I'd like to improve my overall winrate which is hard to do now I have 5k+ battles, so I want to indentify which planes I am either good in, get good teams, are best at their tiers, ie which win the most by whatever means.

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View PostCaptBoombeard, on 29 May 2019 - 12:49 PM, said:

So fed up with the player profile plane stats. They are confusing, meaningless, lacking basic fundamental info,, don't tally between in-game and website. So am going to start keeping my own spreadsheet of my games with simple basic information. Hmmmm where to start? I know..... WINRATE!!!!!! Of each plane. The piece of information even a 5 year old could see is the most important! 

 

You can find winrate of each plane used in battles on the clan portal as well as average XP, damage per battle. For example, particularly your stats.



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View PostCaptBoombeard, on 29 May 2019 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

As soon as a plane enters the battle it is influencing it, not least because we now have a huge specialist emblem saying 'shoot me first'. So the winrate for each plane will reflect the influence on each battle. So winrate will be accurate. I think you are trying to correlate it to overall battles played, that is not what I am talking about and isn't required, nobody ever crosschecks the winrates in tanks to see if they match up, it is purely for information on how well your plane is doing for you each time it is played. 

 

Also, a win against zen_monk or appartclassic ( which even warns you every game he is present ) its not the same as a win you scored against dumb bots at 3 a.m. They should add that too :P . Would be more relevant, dont you think?

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View PostblindfoId, on 30 May 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

 

You can find winrate of each plane used in battles on the clan portal as well as average XP, damage per battle. For example, particularly your stats.

Good grief........that's just turned my perceptions of some planes I thought I performed well in upside down.:ohmy:

Thanks for that information!:honoring:


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View PostblindfoId, on 30 May 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

 

You can find winrate of each plane used in battles on the clan portal as well as average XP, damage per battle. For example, particularly your stats.

 

Ah thx. Can see all the duff planes now, some surprises, will get rid of them. I've set up my own spreadsheet now so will carry on logging just with winrate. Pity the clan one  doesn't sort on plane type and tier, but still better than nothing. Maybe I can make this duff player look better by playing my bestestest planes. :izmena:  

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 30 May 2019 - 12:00 PM, said:

Good grief........that's just turned my perceptions of some planes I thought I performed well in upside down.:ohmy:

Thanks for that information!:honoring:

 

Yeh me tooooo. 

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View PostHorcan, on 30 May 2019 - 11:59 AM, said:

 

Also, a win against zen_monk or appartclassic ( which even warns you every game he is present ) its not the same as a win you scored against dumb bots at 3 a.m. They should add that too :P . Would be more relevant, dont you think?

 

Abso friggin lutely. I also get an alarm bell ring in my bedroom when apartclassic on enemy team; a little drawer opens with clean underwear and a stress ball.

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View PostCaptBoombeard, on 30 May 2019 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

Abso friggin lutely. I also get an alarm bell ring in my bedroom when apartclassic on enemy team; a little drawer opens with clean underwear and a stress ball.

 

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View PostCaptBoombeard, on 30 May 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

 

Abso friggin lutely. I also get an alarm bell ring in my bedroom when apartclassic on enemy team; a little drawer opens with clean underwear and a stress ball.

 

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elias_the_great #19 Posted 30 May 2019 - 05:54 PM

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https://clans.worldofwarplanes.eu/wowp/search/#wgsearch&search=elias_the_great&type=accounts&offset=0&limit=10&account_id=517000819&accounts-battle_type=default&accounts-timeframe=all

 

Well....this cant be right...:P

 



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But... But...... But..........

 

On account of passing a double watershed of 18 thousand battles AND 150 thousand aerial kills in version 2.x, I give you this as a comforter - may this one pop into your memory whenever we meet in battle:

 


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