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zen_monk_ #21 Posted 12 June 2019 - 07:14 AM

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View PostPiq_Mastika, on 12 June 2019 - 06:37 AM, said:

 

They used a strange tactic even to hunt bombers in WWII. It was a dive far behind the enemy bomber, then climb back to him and attack it from below. In this case you have time to aim and shoot, because you loose speed at climb. Second, you can hit with all your 4 guns at the same time - the bomber hitbox is the biggest from top/below, unlike from behind where it is like a dash.

 

"The First and the Last"?:teethhappy:

 

 

The biggest problem of 262 in the game are our deeply rooted expectations. "Man, I'm in 262 now!! The most revolutionary plane of WW2! Now all enemies will be at my mercy!"

 

Not quite.

 

With all it's malus, 262 is wonderfully historically depicted here. It does exactly as it did in rl. A few German aces did scored a number of kills of Mustangs and stuff, but they were formidable pilots and probably would make kills flying Cesnas. For all other purposes, it was a destroyer of big fat bombers. And here you have to apply the same tactics as they did, fly the same way - as described above, straight and fast. Avoid dogfight at all costs. Try to kill in one pass and go as far away. For bombers, read above. And go for gaa to, that's your role.

 

Although I hate 262 with passion, I'll give them this: they've hit the jackpot here. You have to fly this plane exactly as Galland, Nowotny & Co did.


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Piq_Mastika #22 Posted 12 June 2019 - 07:34 AM

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View Postzen_monk_, on 12 June 2019 - 09:14 AM, said:

 

"The First and the Last"?:teethhappy:

 

 

The biggest problem of 262 in the game are our deeply rooted expectations. "Man, I'm in 262 now!! The most revolutionary plane of WW2! Now all enemies will be at my mercy!"

 

Not quite.

 

With all it's malus, 262 is wonderfully historically depicted here. It does exactly as it did in rl. A few German aces did scored a number of kills of Mustangs and stuff, but they were formidable pilots and probably would make kills flying Cesnas. For all other purposes, it was a destroyer of big fat bombers. And here you have to apply the same tactics as they did, fly the same way - as described above, straight and fast. Avoid dogfight at all costs. Try to kill in one pass and go as far away. For bombers, read above. And go for gaa to, that's your role.

 

Although I hate 262 with passion, I'll give them this: they've hit the jackpot here. You have to fly this plane exactly as Galland, Nowotny & Co did.

 

The other thing is in WWII Me 262 faced a lot of outdated planes. In WG we have tiers, your opponent is playing a similar plane. In WWII when Me 262 was used it was encountering Mig-3 (tier V), the other planes from the Mig line was only prototypes or planes build after the war. In WG we have balance, in rl it's a technology and quantity race.

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View PostPiq_Mastika, on 12 June 2019 - 09:34 AM, said:

when Me 262 was used it was encountering Mig-3

 

Not always ; Ivan Kozhedub (medal) shot down a Me-262 in an La-5/7 (?) ...

 



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View PostGonerNL, on 12 June 2019 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

Not always ; Ivan Kozhedub (medal) shot down a Me-262 in an La-5/7 (?) ...

 

 

I'm not talking about the exceptions. I pointed Mig-3 as an example from the Mig line. The trend is during the war USSR produced the most outdated equipment, the germans has the most advanced, so the advantages a plane like Me 262 has are obvious.

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View Postzen_monk_, on 12 June 2019 - 07:14 AM, said:

 

"The First and the Last"?:teethhappy:

 

 

The biggest problem of 262 in the game are our deeply rooted expectations. "Man, I'm in 262 now!! The most revolutionary plane of WW2! Now all enemies will be at my mercy!"

 

Not quite.

 

Although I hate 262 with passion 

 

This is the same lament we often hear in WOT regarding the Tiger tank.

 

As mentioned above, in reality they both generally faced inferior machines and would not encounter the vehicles it meets in the game.

 

Luckily for me being a plane and tank hipster and always going against the crowd, I had zero interest in the tiger and Russian tanks other than lights. I kinda new they'd be a let down.and never researched them.

 

This is due to being a commission model maker in a previous job i would build kits for private clients via the Harrow and other various modelshops in London and the South eas,  my main occupation was constructing  architectural models.

 

I must have built over 30 Tiger tanks,as well as numerous Spitfires, Mustangs Mig15's and Sabres both static and radio controlled...this was way before die cast became a thing...

 

Occasionally i got an usual request such as the Focke Wolf Huckbein or most memorably a Boeng P12 in 1/32 scale made by Testors which was a joy to build.

 

I will never forget being asked to, build a Pershing tank for a customer which took over 80 hours to complete.it cost in excess of a £1000 in total!

 

So essetially i like the obsure weird and unusual

 

I suppose i just got so bored of looking at these machines i had little desire to have virtual ones in my garage/hangar

 

Thinking about it, I have practically no interest in the RU lines in WOWP either ..except for the premium tier 6 airacobra which is a beautiful little machine

 

So, I kinda new the Me262 would be pooh

 

 

 


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I actually like the Me 262 in a way, although I'm not very good in that plane and I don't think it has too much carry potential. Just think about its actual purpose. You take down the bombers with it.

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View PostDiscontinued, on 12 June 2019 - 12:25 PM, said:

Thinking about it, I have practically no interest in the RU lines in WOWP either ..

 

Currently flying the La-9 and it's a great plane. Also the top Yaks, 19 & 30 are a joy to fly.



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View PostAimless, on 12 June 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

I actually like the Me 262 in a way, although I'm not very good in that plane and I don't think it has too much carry potential. Just think about its actual purpose. You take down the bombers with it.

 

I rarely fly it but I had some really good battles in it and somehow like it too.

Just go for the big targets and don't force kills.



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View Postklbergmen, on 14 June 2019 - 10:28 AM, said:

 

I rarely fly it but I had some really good battles in it and somehow like it too.

Just go for the big targets and don't force kills.

 

Like in any normal HF.

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View PostPiq_Mastika, on 14 June 2019 - 10:57 AM, said:

 

Like in any normal HF.

 

Heh.

There are a few abnormal HF's like The Ki-45 and Beaufighter that I take into furballs too ;-)

 



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View PostGonerNL, on 14 June 2019 - 11:20 AM, said:

 

Heh.

There are a few abnormal HF's like The Ki-45 and Beaufighter that I take into furballs too ;-)

 

 

The legend would say: abnormal game plays.

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Well going by the title of the thread "can't hit Sh*t with Me262" trying to shoot at faeces would be rather difficult due to its size. in relation to a plane!

 

As a young man I would  shoot cowpats with a .410 shotgun,truly spectacular and a wholesome and healthy pastime, but with one caveat.  Just remember to stand off:B to avoid splashback.

 

 

 



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View PostGonerNL, on 11 June 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

Just got it.

Same guns as Bf 109Z, also long gun barrels, gunsight and marksman. With 109Z it's OK but with 262. meh ... is there a trick ?

 

there is not a trick, keep you nerv strong,play so how is it ,upgrade to-tier 9-10 ten sold back the crap me 262, what ı did was simpel after 10 games with me262  ı sold back ,ı dont wonnt the 8-9-10 its not my stile ,with so airplanes low turning values , no thanks,the superioty is good turning values in  a airplane ,speed  is not everything ,ı knew just ones, 4x20 mm is tousend time better then 30 mm becouse mg bullets is more faster then a canone30 mm  and fire rate more higher in pro sec.everyone knews 30 mm canons is nerfed from devs ,if you wonnt hit hold you fire 10 m before the target ap,and pray for you can hit maybe :trollface: some typs said mouse setting is importent level 5 maybe,but you can make exprement u self,wich setting is good for 30 mm,me persönly ı hate 30 mm canons, at last you are not only one with this complain lot of player think so

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I shot down an Me 262 in a Chaika

dUG1 #36 Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:56 AM

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I hated Me262 with passion when I first got it.

 

After painful grind and getting HGII (which is awesome), I removed the pilot and forgot about it....until few weeks ago.

Edited it, lets see if it was the plane or me (at that time, it was my only tier 8 HF).

 

And it was me.

 

262 is a good plane if you take the time to master it.

1) BnZ school example at its best - equip modules and pilot for maximum speed and gtfo zooming out.

2) Long range barrels help a lot for engaging target at longer distances and giving you more time to react

3) Dont hold LMB while firing, unless its a bomber or GAA flying slow and you cant miss it. Timing your shots is crucial here - imagine it has slow firing sniper guns (BV, Ta152, I-211 etc) and use it exactly like that vs moving targets.

4) Rockets - insta win button R (Dota/LoL/HoN anyone?) that works great vs bot ADAs coming at you, or occasional hurr durr human thinking he is stronk

5) Patience....you will not be in the center of the chaos chasing people around, but hover slightly above it and blast them to pieces whenever they are busy doing something else and not expecting quad 30mms on their rear.

 

Overall, its a good plane (not as good as BF Z or HG II and III), that suffers from bad guns.

Adapt, and it will serve you fine.


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Great tips !!

I will have a good look at equipment and pilot skills ... I think I'm using gas-operated action. And rocketeer skill is probably required.



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Gas operated only helps with burst firing, and most of the time, you need to time your shots and make sure they hit, hence long barrels in my case.

 

As for Rocketeer, my 262 pilot doesnt have it, works fine without it :)






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