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GonerNL #1 Posted 12 August 2019 - 09:55 PM

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yeah, that's about average lately ...

seriously considering of quitting when WR falls below 50% ... only 3% to go, give it a week or two.



zen_monk_ #2 Posted 12 August 2019 - 10:06 PM

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stats were invented by Satan himself to suck the carefree fun out of gaming

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prawiejakzywiec666 #3 Posted 13 August 2019 - 04:42 AM

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GonerNL you are falling below 50% while for example others are averaging lately over 70%. It is compensating. It is not a matter of a good personal score but tactical play. Don't give up!

GonerNL #4 Posted 13 August 2019 - 07:28 AM

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That's just the problem ; I'm not doing that bad at all ... almost always in top 3, 4, nice scores.

But most battles are an exercise in frustration.

 

@zen ; I know mate, WR/stats in itself is not important, but all the defeats  :( it just drains all the fun out.



zen_monk_ #5 Posted 13 August 2019 - 07:56 AM

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View PostGonerNL, on 13 August 2019 - 07:28 AM, said:

 

But most battles are an exercise in frustration.

 

This should never be so, NEVER! You are playing a game here, your home entertainment - how on Earth you allow it to become a frustration?!

 

 

View PostGonerNL, on 13 August 2019 - 07:28 AM, said:

WR/stats in itself is not important, but all the defeats  :( it just drains all the fun out.

 

I know. And the only solution is: stop caring about them. Pay no attention to them whatsoever, never check your stats.

 

Play this for the beauty of flying, enjoy in a good kill you did or a lucky escape or the nice way your plane does the turn or how awesome it looks when you chase gaa down the canyon... all the wonderful things this game has in spades. Make it your joy, not frustration. You make it your fun.

 

Never ever look your stats.

 

They are absolutely meaningless in your life. They belong to business, board meetings, monthly evaluations and stuff... the horror part of rl. This here is for enjoying flying planes and shooting things.

 


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GonerNL #6 Posted 13 August 2019 - 08:16 AM

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I don't have to check my stats ; 8 defeats in a row, then a victory and again 8 defeats tell me what's happening just fine ... the stats only confirm the sinking feeling ; yesterday 20%, day before 30%.

 



Grison_SE #7 Posted 13 August 2019 - 09:31 AM

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I've stopped looking at stats, the annoying part about losing is the stupid "results counts only if you win" in the Daily missions. I'm not intrested in sealclubbing T1-4, but with this stupidity, sometimes I have to play the same missions 4-5 times to get a token or 10.
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GonerNL #8 Posted 13 August 2019 - 09:58 AM

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And those are some of the most annoying parts of defeats ; 1) daily missions don't count, no matter how good you perform,  2) you don't get materials and 3) no extra exp for victories (2x, 3x ..)

And that pisses me off more than stats.



Ensign_Steel #9 Posted 13 August 2019 - 10:01 AM

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View Postzen_monk_, on 13 August 2019 - 09:56 AM, said:

I know. And the only solution is: stop caring about them. Pay no attention to them whatsoever, never check your stats.

 

Play this for the beauty of flying, enjoy in a good kill you did or a lucky escape or the nice way your plane does the turn or how awesome it looks when you chase gaa down the canyon... all the wonderful things this game has in spades. Make it your joy, not frustration. You make it your fun.

 

Never ever look your stats.

 

They are absolutely meaningless in your life. They belong to business, board meetings, monthly evaluations and stuff... the horror part of rl. This here is for enjoying flying planes and shooting things.

 

 

Telling "Stop caring about them" to people who are stressed about statistics is about as helpful as saying "have you tried cheering up?" to people dealing with depression. It's not something you can just turn on and off, it's an obsession that's extremely hard (if not damn-near impossible) to break. You do deserve a big plus for doing more than 99% of people since you gave actual advice like "never look at your stats", but at least for me the problem is knowing that they are there for all to see. Your signature is the absolute truth.


Franco_Scala, on 15 June 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

You can't have your cake and have [whopee] with it


GonerNL #10 Posted 13 August 2019 - 10:12 AM

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View PostEnsign_Steel, on 13 August 2019 - 12:01 PM, said:

people who are stressed about statistics 

 

Like I said, I'm not stressed about the stats, but sick of the defeats and the consequences. Stats are just an indication/confirmation of how many defeats I get and all the stuff I'm missing out on because of that ... apart from the fact that I don't get a happy feeling from being roflstomped again & again.

It's probably just a case of extreme bad luck, after all matchmaking is just a lottery, but that doesn't change the feeling.

 


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zen_monk_ #11 Posted 13 August 2019 - 10:29 AM

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View PostEnsign_Steel, on 13 August 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

 

Telling "Stop caring about them" to people who are stressed about statistics is about as helpful as saying "have you tried cheering up?" to people dealing with depression. It's not something you can just turn on and off, it's an obsession that's extremely hard (if not damn-near impossible) to break. You do deserve a big plus for doing more than 99% of people since you gave actual advice like "never look at your stats", but at least for me the problem is knowing that they are there for all to see. Your signature is the absolute truth.

 

Here's the thing: knowing this, simply acknowledging that this approach exist too, is the first and the most important step.

 

Sometimes all it takes is to confirm people that other approach exist, and that it works for others.

 

I absolutely agree, it is a hard to break obsession, but I as a humble Average Joe feel sorry for a fellow gamer who draws frustration out of something I learned how to have fun regardless of Win and Loss, those two impostors just the same and want to help. If the losses are frustrating you very very much, there are only two things you can do: go watch the battles of Apart or other truly good players, not stat-padders, and try to figure out their strategies of adequate capping, when and what first etc, or stop caring about w/l.

 

The third option, of course, is to stop playing but it's a dumb decision when you have those two solutions to choose from.

 

 

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Aimless #12 Posted 13 August 2019 - 10:31 AM

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I wouldn't care about wins, generally the W/R is the least I care about in my stats. One thing however that will make me smash my keyboard one day is the phrase "only if you win". Getting an acknowledgement for your efforts is a vital element of the fun in a game. Losing in every WG title means little to no progression. I know, there are some people out there having fun in banging their head against a wall, even though they exactly know who will win in the end. Most of us would consider this just a waste of precious lifetime, and I don't even wanna start about the headache...

zen_monk_ #13 Posted 13 August 2019 - 10:32 AM

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Amen brother Aimless, amen!

 

From the day one I'm telling WG "stop making win as a condition for goodies, it has to be performance based. This way you only introduce misery and RNG & MM rage and all, you're frustrating your customers."

 

And of course, split or scale down the damn Token Missions.


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Grison_SE #14 Posted 13 August 2019 - 01:10 PM

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View Postzen_monk_, on 13 August 2019 - 10:32 AM, said:

Amen brother Aimless, amen!

 

From the day one I'm telling WG "stop making win as a condition for goodies, it has to be performance based. This way you only introduce misery and RNG & MM rage and all, you're frustrating your customers."

 

And of course, split or scale down the damn Token Missions.


thumbs up.

 

I've got another 1 token daily today, 10 ground targets in a single sortie, no silly win conditions.

Fine. Thats how it should be. No sealclubbing in low tiers either.


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FlyingDutchman69 #15 Posted 13 August 2019 - 03:29 PM

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take a break frow wowp

GonerNL #16 Posted 14 August 2019 - 07:35 AM

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I'm trying to take a break from flying highest tiers, where MM and bots are worst.

Flying lower tiers, which I enjoy more anyway (on other servers I only have lower tiers). And on higher tiers only GA.

And funnily enough, so far my teams win more victories ...



RoyalFlyingCorps #17 Posted 17 August 2019 - 05:55 AM

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I take a different approach, in that I collect a lot of data about battles and perform quite a bit of statistical analysis, partly in spreadsheets for immediate understanding of this or that aspect of the game and partly in a database for a more thorough, longitudinal analysis.  That said, I pay little attention to win rate.  It's really only the extremes, say, below 40% win rate and above 70% win rate, that tell you much about a player and even then high win rates can be skewed by tactics such as seal clubbing in low tier planes.

 

8 defeats and 2 wins in 10 games is not a significant sample.  It's just as well explained by bad luck as by other factors.  I wonder how you would have reacted had you had 29 straight defeats (my worst ever streak) or 21 straight wins (my best ever streak).

 

The match making in this game is weak, but it won't change because probably it's true that if more factors were included, such as balancing specialised aircraft, balancing human GAA and bomber players, and so on, the queue times would shoot up.  I'm sure if that happened all you would hear is a lot of complaining about queue times being too long, just as was the case in versions prior to v2.0.

 

In short, if you need to win in order to enjoy this game, you're playing the wrong game.  With the advent of so many boring bombers and the frequent team imbalances they produce, I've enjoyed the game far less and I play it far less.  It's a shame, but it's a just a game and there are other things in life.



GonerNL #18 Posted 17 August 2019 - 09:08 AM

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Yesterday I played about 25 battles and won only 6 or 7, I think.

Good for a WR of 32%. Falling down to 53.12% overall ... couple of weeks ago I was near 54%, let's call it back luck  :unsure:

I never had very long streaks, winning or losing, of over 20 like you.



BravelyRanAway #19 Posted 17 August 2019 - 09:55 AM

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I don't mind winning or losing as long as I end up in the top three on my team, then I know I've made my contribution as best I can.

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GonerNL #20 Posted 17 August 2019 - 10:20 AM

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Yeah, the contribution (being no.1 in a defeat ?) counts, but that's about the only reward you get ...




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