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DoomHerald #21 Posted 19 October 2019 - 12:56 AM

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View Postzen_monk_, on 19 October 2019 - 02:52 AM, said:

 

Looks like you haven't read what the thread is about.

 

Looks like u didn't. I provided evidence how the game is rigged, which obviously can be also in someone's favour to let him achieve insane winrates.



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View PostDoomHerald, on 19 October 2019 - 12:56 AM, said:

 

Looks like u didn't. I provided evidence how the game is rigged, which obviously can be also in someone's favour to let him achieve insane winrates.

You forgot to mention the unfair advantages if you play on premium time :teethhappy:


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Perhaps this 80-100% WNR gamers take their legs from the table while playing and don't use 10-15 years old CPUs? :rolleyes:

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WR = skill of the player (e.g. pre 1.9 veteran)  + flight of two + time of the day you play (you are the only human in the match) + Specialized plane status (especially Special Project Equipment, Strengthened Hardpoints on bombers etc.) + elite plane status + tier flown + Pilot skills available (11+ points rear gunners, 12 point pilots) + premium consumables (e.g. Anti Oxidizing Additive, Fragmentation Ammunition, Special ammo for rear gunner, Improved Explosives for bombers etc.) + a little bit of luck.

 

Edited: added tier and flights as per valid comment of Zen.


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View Postdeaxter_hero, on 19 October 2019 - 10:39 AM, said:

 + a little bit of luck.

 

...add flying exclusively in flights with someone same, and you can take luck out of the equation.


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View Postzen_monk_, on 19 October 2019 - 10:43 AM, said:

 

...add flying exclusively in flights with someone same, and you can take luck out of the equation.

Indeed, forgot about that one and edited my previous post. That is why I have the 1.9 stats pined in footer: 86% alone, 14% squad in my case. And tier plays its role too - when flying in flight with Angry Chilli one day, we flew low tiers to get my 10 token mission parked for couple of months with this result: number of battles, wr.

 


 


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Some are working this game and some are playing it. 

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View PostFrateras, on 19 October 2019 - 11:58 AM, said:

Some are working this game and some are playing it. 

Exactly. The point is to have fun.

I cannot imagine playing tier I or II for 5000+ battles. Why? To be on top of this bulls... table?

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View Postzen_monk_, on 19 October 2019 - 12:52 AM, said:

 

Looks like you haven't read what the thread is about.

What he's saying is that WG have rigged the WR's, This means that his WR of 72% has nothing to do with his gaming ability....it's just a gift from WG.


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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 19 October 2019 - 03:56 PM, said:

What he's saying is that WG have rigged the WR's, This means that his WR of 72% has nothing to do with his gaming ability....it's just a gift from WG.

 

I play mostly during the night (often with 0-1 or max 2 humans per team), with specialised high tier bombers and GAAs (usually Il-40P or EF131), crews with 10-12 skill points, so my WR is not weird. But the game is rigged for sure - sometimes in my favour, sometimes in my harm (like in the examples above). In some battles (maybe about 20%) no matter how hard I try, no matter how many PP I score, no matter how many important sectors I cap, I am doomed to lose. In these cases the game just decides from the start which team will win and that's it. In my second example when the score was 782:600 we got 3 bots alive. I was dead, watching Me 262, which was flying in sircles over our garrison (WTF?!). A few seconds later it was the last survivor, and when the score become 798:612 the bot went straight into a rock, for no reason at all. Whoever wants the replay I can send it to him, I am keeping it for further enjoyment. GG, WG.



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View PostDoomHerald, on 19 October 2019 - 05:38 PM, said:

 

I play mostly during the night (often with 0-1 or max 2 humans per team), with specialised high tier bombers and GAAs (usually Il-40P or EF131), crews with 10-12 skill points, so my WR is not weird. But the game is rigged for sure - sometimes in my favour, sometimes in my harm (like in the examples above). In some battles (maybe about 20%) no matter how hard I try, no matter how many PP I score, no matter how many important sectors I cap, I am doomed to lose. In these cases the game just decides from the start which team will win and that's it. In my second example when the score was 782:600 we got 3 bots alive. I was dead, watching Me 262, which was flying in sircles over our garrison (WTF?!). A few seconds later it was the last survivor, and when the score become 798:612 the bot went straight into a rock, for no reason at all. Whoever wants the replay I can send it to him, I am keeping it for further enjoyment. GG, WG.

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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 19 October 2019 - 07:13 PM, said:

Yawn.

 

He still don't gets it.


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View Postzen_monk_, on 19 October 2019 - 09:46 PM, said:

 

He still don't gets it. 

/perhaps u mean "He still doesn't get it./

So explain me, Einstein. Maybe u can also provide some evidence the game is not rigged, any one of u, forum warriors.



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View PostDoomHerald, on 19 October 2019 - 07:59 PM, said:

/perhaps u mean "He still doesn't get it./

So explain me, Einstein. Maybe u can also provide some evidence the game is not rigged, any one of u, forum warriors.

 

Thank you for the compliment.

 

And for the third time, you don't understand the topic of this thread. As clearly shown in this underlined sentence.

 

 


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View PostDoomHerald, on 19 October 2019 - 07:59 PM, said:

/perhaps u mean "He still doesn't get it./

So explain me, Einstein. Maybe u can also provide some evidence the game is not rigged, any one of u, forum warriors.

If the game is rigged, then your WR means nothing and your ability is pointless and you raging at anyone in game or on the forum is pointless, as it's not their fault.....if you really believe the game to be rigged.

People tend to focus on the reasons why they lose and blame some scenario....yet ignore the times when the same scenario on the enemy team puts them on the winning team, in those cases they take credit for their part in the win.

It's a classic case of bias, when of all the wins are yours but loses are WG's fault.

You can't have it both ways.


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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 19 October 2019 - 10:21 PM, said:

If the game is rigged, then your WR means nothing and your ability is pointless and you raging at anyone in game or on the forum is pointless, as it's not their fault.....if you really believe the game to be rigged.

People tend to focus on the reasons why they lose and blame some scenario....yet ignore the times when the same scenario on the enemy team puts them on the winning team, in those cases they take credit for their part in the win.

It's a classic case of bias, when of all the wins are yours but loses are WG's fault.

You can't have it both ways.

Nailed it.



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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 19 October 2019 - 11:21 PM, said:

If the game is rigged, then your WR means nothing and your ability is pointless and you raging at anyone in game or on the forum is pointless, as it's not their fault.....if you really believe the game to be rigged.

People tend to focus on the reasons why they lose and blame some scenario....yet ignore the times when the same scenario on the enemy team puts them on the winning team, in those cases they take credit for their part in the win.

It's a classic case of bias, when of all the wins are yours but loses are WG's fault.

You can't have it both ways.

Totally agreed here. I already explained why my WR is that high. Also already pointed that I think about 20% of the games are rigged (decided) from the very beginning and sometimes the game decides in favour of my team as enemy bots die like flies and so on. The question is that maybe there are players which are almost everytime favoured by the game, only WG can tell us is this true and how (but WG will remain quiet on that topic for sure). Also only WG can explain how can one bot do absolutely nothing but dying for almost 10 min game, while same bot plane in enemy team is working as intended. Is this a bug in bots algorythm or WG will admit the game is rigged?



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View PostDoomHerald, on 19 October 2019 - 09:57 PM, said:

Totally agreed here. I already explained why my WR is that high. Also already pointed that I think about 20% of the games are rigged (decided) from the very beginning and sometimes the game decides in favour of my team as enemy bots die like flies and so on. The question is that maybe there are players which are almost everytime favoured by the game, only WG can tell us is this true and how (but WG will remain quiet on that topic for sure). Also only WG can explain how can one bot do absolutely nothing but dying for almost 10 min game, while same bot plane in enemy team is working as intended. Is this a bug in bots algorythm or WG will admit the game is rigged?

There is no reason for WG to do this. Rigging games has been discussed quite a lot on the WoT forum. A player (Baldrickk) who is well known there created a program that can analyze replays and it's results have shown that over time the MM is balanced. that's not to say that there are not one sided game....there are. But, replays(thousands for each player) checked from players with high WR's and players with low WR's showed that overall the teams were balanced...so the only difference in the end was the ability of the player to cope with what ever was thrown at them through the random MM.

WG's logic on the issue.....

When it comes to money, there's no point in rigging someone's WR to be high....as it would reduce their spend in the game. Also, rigging a WR to be low would drive a player away eventually because no matter how much they spend they will lose. WG took the unique approach(unlike WT) and decided to screw the whole playerbase rather than a select few.

Yes, WoWP's is different than WoT simply due to fewer players and so bots were introduced to speed up game selections. But WG really don't give a flying fiddlers whether an individual wins or loses....Serb actually said that years ago when the question was put to him, otherwise he wouldn't have a 51% if it could be rigged to give him a higher one.

At the end of the day, be happy that your skill places you in the top players, it is your gaming skill that over time puts you on top and only your gaming skill.


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View PostBravelyRanAway, on 20 October 2019 - 12:20 AM, said:

There is no reason for WG to do this. Rigging games has been discussed quite a lot on the WoT forum. A player (Baldrickk) who is well known there created a program that can analyze replays and it's results have shown that over time the MM is balanced. that's not to say that there are not one sided game....there are. But, replays(thousands for each player) checked from players with high WR's and players with low WR's showed that overall the teams were balanced...so the only difference in the end was the ability of the player to cope with what ever was thrown at them through the random MM.

WG's logic on the issue.....

When it comes to money, there's no point in rigging someone's WR to be high....as it would reduce their spend in the game. Also, rigging a WR to be low would drive a player away eventually because no matter how much they spend they will lose. WG took the unique approach(unlike WT) and decided to screw the whole playerbase rather than a select few.

Yes, WoWP's is different than WoT simply due to fewer players and so bots were introduced to speed up game selections. But WG really don't give a flying fiddlers whether an individual wins or loses....Serb actually said that years ago when the question was put to him, otherwise he wouldn't have a 51% if it could be rigged to give him a higher one.

At the end of the day, be happy that your skill places you in the top players, it is your gaming skill that over time puts you on top and only your gaming skill.

 

It doesn't make sense the game to be rigged, indeed. And if it is not, I see only 2 options:

1. Big time bugs in bot's algorythm, a massive screw from the devs.

2. Every bot comes with different skill level, randomly chosen at the start of every battle. Some bots are capable of sniping from over 1000 metres, while other do absolutely nothing for the whole battle. And if one team (by pure luck) has more uberbots, it is much more likely to win. Which also may be called bias and rigging, actually...



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View PostDoomHerald, on 19 October 2019 - 10:38 PM, said:

 

 

2. Every bot comes with different skill level, randomly chosen at the start of every battle. Some bots are capable of sniping from over 1000 metres, while other do absolutely nothing for the whole battle. And if one team (by pure luck) has more uberbots, it is much more likely to win. Which also may be called bias and rigging, actually...

I'd say it's this...but as it affects both teams........it's not rigging as it's not intentional or bias...actually.


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