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[Community]

More power, more speed, and even more destruction. Heavy warbirds are ready and eager for some blasting fights! You are the only one to decide which side to choose in the sky of World of Warplanes!

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[zen_monk_]

These requirements are exactly what the event for Multis should have been

[rheaghorn]

Community, on 05 November 2019 - 12:55 PM, said:

More power, more speed, and even more destruction. Heavy warbirds are ready and eager for some blasting fights! You are the only one to decide which side to choose in the sky of World of Warplanes!
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"Your rating will be based on the number of Capture Points received when attacking and defending sectors for destroying aerial and ground targets"

==> how are Capture Points calculated ? Are neutral aircraft also accounted for or only "red" planes ?

[clovisbxl]

rheaghorn, on 05 November 2019 - 04:22 PM, said:

 

"Your rating will be based on the number of Capture Points received when attacking and defending sectors for destroying aerial and ground targets"

==> how are Capture Points calculated ? Are neutral aircraft also accounted for or only "red" planes ?

 

Yes, normally the "white" targets are taken into account for Capture points, I don't see why WG would exclude them for this event.

But of course you need to be on top of a base when you destroy a red plane (both for attacking and defending), and only after the timer expiration if applicable for this base (the timer after base changed to another team).

 

[raketak_]

I think points are:

Air defense airplanes  - this sector protecting DAA (white and red) - 40 points for destroy

Red enemy planes during attack - 60 points

Red enemy planes during defense - 40 points

For ground targets this is from 15 to 80, depend on target

Edited by raketak_, 05 November 2019 - 05:45 PM.

[SPIDER000]

I was really hoping that heavies will have their chance to shine during this chain of events... and here we are. I like it.

 

I also appreciate that decision to count capture points. Even though grinding pure dmg may be in some cases less stressful, players are pushed to use heavies mostly properly this time (in contrast to last event with multiroles) - also, we are alowed to use bombs to get cap points, which is nice.

 

Anyway, much will be depending on enemy teams - for how long they let you colect those vital points - same as during bombers event. But this time high tiers won't have that drastic advantage. Actually, your chances are more or less equal, no matter what tier you chose. That may be relief for those complaing, how unfair previous stages were (some of them could be considered unfair, I admit).

 

So, it looks really nice. Let's roll!

 

[CaptainAim]

rheaghorn, on 05 November 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

 

"Your rating will be based on the number of Capture Points received when attacking and defending sectors for destroying aerial and ground targets"

==> how are Capture Points calculated ? Are neutral aircraft also accounted for or only "red" planes ?

Aerial targets= white+red=all

Enemy planes=red not including the red air defense planes= just humans and bots in the enemy team, those with an actual name.

[Frateras]

Nice, although fighters can be used as well. So why playing a heavy at the event?

Edited by Frateras, 06 November 2019 - 08:11 AM.

[CaptainAim]

Frateras, on 06 November 2019 - 10:10 AM, said:

Nice, although fighters can be used as well. So why playing a heavy at the event?

What fighters? have you read the requirements?

 

[Frateras]

Oh, either they have changed them or I was on the wrong site. But meanwhile I've discovered  the Fischer P-75 Eagle among the worst planes and helicopters which ever has been built.

The plane is described as the Frankenstein under the aeroplanes because it was constructed from parts of lots of other planes and got a weak engine. So my enthusiasm is reduced.

 

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Edited by Frateras, 06 November 2019 - 08:18 PM.

[CaptainAim]

there are a lot of historical inaccuracies in the game.

 

[RoyalFlyingCorps]

The above being true, the Fisher Eagle is actually all right in the game.  It wouldn't be my heavy of choice, but there are definitely worse heavies you could fly (I'm looking at you, F7F Tigercat and I won't even give you, Ki-94-I, the time of day).

[SPIDER000]

RoyalFlyingCorps, on 07 November 2019 - 06:29 AM, said:

The above being true, the Fisher Eagle is actually all right in the game.  It wouldn't be my heavy of choice, but there are definitely worse heavies you could fly (I'm looking at you, F7F Tigercat and I won't even give you, Ki-94-I, the time of day).

How in the World is XP-75 Eagle "all right"? And being better than F7F Tigercat?

 

Ok, I didn't play with Tigercat for 4 years, so it may have been nerfed or something, but according to (actual) hard stats, it is very simular to Hornet in almost every aspect... and Hornet is waaaaaay more useful, than Fisher Eagle - which is BTW one of the worst heavies in this game. Combination of weak engine, low maneuverability - maybe little better, then another heavies, but still cannot outturn multies and lights... and cannot even outrun some of them, according to its weak engine. Not saying anything about boom&zoom tactics, which is inapplicable with Fisher, because of not only slow speed, but especially for its insuficient firepower. - That means, if you approach enemy, you almost certainly don't kill him with one burst, but also you cannot folow him, if he starts dogfight... So you have to fly away. But there is also chance that you would not be able to fully disengage, as long as your plane is actualy slow... There is in fact no really efficient tactical approach, wich could be used with this plane, that would work. - Maybe shooting at planes, that are not aware of your presence for so long time, that they finally die.

 

I'm not saying, you cannot kill few planes with it, especialy bots and less skilled players - of course you can... But implication, that Fisher's "all right" is way over the top statment. (And also, I'm not saying you can't have fun with that plane... certainly a great chalenge to fly it. So it may be considered a fun for some of us...)

 

And yea, I agree, Ki-94-I is pretty terrible plane. Not sure, if it's better/worse then XP-75, but it clearly isn't good.

[CaptainAim]

I am sure RoyalFlyingCorps was referring to Eagle's better handling stats, at least on paper, I do not have the plane so I don't know if you can make it turn good, though by stats alone it should be better specialized than some non specialized multis. As for F7F it is not a bad plane at all, in the right hands it could even rise above decent, but I can't know that either since I'm not shining with heavies. It proved a decent plane for me, it helped turn the course of the battle a few times and make fun of some players who thought they could turn and catch up with it in a dive. That was fun. Boom and zoom tactic, well, that's probably something I'll never be good at, though I attempted it many times.

 

Do people actually pay for these planes? Why? Is it the looks? 

 

Btw people, what are you going to fly during the event? I bet the star of the show will be the XF-90, which I am far from yet. I have seen some people this summer performing some magic with it, over 25k in pp and generally close to 20k in a consistent manner. I do not remember their names and I do not know if they still play or if they will compete in the event, but if they do the top 2-3 spots in mastery are theirs. And I didn't even mention the Beaufighter players who make more capture points at tier5 than I manage to do with my tier 10 German heavy. There will be a lot of pain for me in this stage, that's for sure, especially that I have not decided yet what way to go: Axis or Allies.

[SPIDER000]

As you can improve handling by ultimate equip on Fisher, you can do the same with multiroles.

 

So the argument, that you can hunt unskilled players and bots, but stand almost no chance against any skilled player in any other plane of same (and even lower) tier is still valid. Excelent speed is in my opinion better asset, then average maneuverability. Especialy when talking about heavies. Firepower being vital - no need to mention that again.

 

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And as I was saying somewhere above. This event does not provide such an advantage for top tiers, as previous ones. Tier V Beaufighter trully can in specific conditions make same amount of capture points, as tier X Me.262 HGIII during one battle. It mostly depends on map layout and team ballance, not specifically on tier.

[CaptainAim]

SPIDER000, on 07 November 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

Tier V Beaufighter trully can in specific conditions make same amount of capture points, as tier X Me.262 HGIII during one battle. It mostly depends on map layout and team ballance, not specifically on tier.

It can actually do more. And discovering that made me sad. 

Also this makes choosing a side to play with even more difficult.

[RoyalFlyingCorps]

For my part I find it surprising that anybody could see the absolutely horrendous Tigercat as anything other than borderline unplayable.  It may be a matter of style, but I’d pick the Fisher Eagle over that abomination any day.  

My instance is specialised and built for speed.  Sure, you can’t go head on with heavily armed opponents, even multiroles such as the Fw 190s, but if you are sneaky at high altitude you can play havoc with the enemy in a way the Tigercat just cannot.

 

As for the Ki-94-I, don’t go there.  Just don’t.

[CaptainAim]

I might be forced to go just there

[SPIDER000]

Ok, I see... XP-75 really has better altitude-related stats, then F7F, or Hornet... so yea, you might be right on this one.

But I still believe, any little-bit-skilled pilot in Gustav, I-220, or even Mustang would have absolutely no problem with taking care of Eagle at such altitude.

 

But ok, I will force myself to fully specialise my Eagle and then my position would be based on my own experiences, not just numbers.

For now I will not argue about this.

[RoyalFlyingCorps]

^ It’s not an argument, in my opinion.  I dare say you could make my unloved Tigercat work very nicely and I could do a reasonable job in your Fisher Eagle.