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blindfoId #1 Posted 25 November 2019 - 10:08 AM

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Greetings pilots,

 

While we are waiting for the results of the last Fall Campaign event, we have some work to do ;)

 

As far as you know, these events are not something completely new: we've had Lightning vs Friedrich and For King and Country events, but still, the Fall Campaign is different. It's the whole series of events with a decent prize for getting at least in one winners list out of 26! Although we tried to take into account all your feedback before and during the Fall Campaign, we still might have missed some decent thoughts.

 

 It was a huge and exciting experience for the Community team and we'd like to hear out your feedback. Please share your thoughts, experience, and opinions in this thread. I would highly appreciate your input, still, I'd like to encourage you to stick to the main topic and take into account some points.

 

1. We do know and understand that online tracking of your results would be awesome, but unfortunately, it is not technically possible at the moment for such kind of events. 

2. We haven't and won't limit the participation of flights and clans. It's a social factor of our game, and every pilot can join a flight or a clan. 

 

Here are some questions to guide your answers in this thread:

 

1. How do you like the timeframe and frequency of the events (stages) of the Campaign? Should every event last longer/shorter? Do we need a gap between stages (there was an event-free weekend between stages)? 
2. How do you like articles dedicated to the event? Are all conditions described understandable? Do we need any changes for better understanding?
3. Do you think that event conditions were appropriately chosen for the aircraft types participating in every event?
4. How do you like the rewards? Do you think they are worth fighting for? What rewards you'd like to see in the future? 

5. Do you think that a separate event for premium planes only would be appropriate? 

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events?
7. Your other suggestions and opinions.

 

Thank you for your time and good hunting!



zen_monk_ #2 Posted 25 November 2019 - 11:28 AM

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View PostblindfoId, on 25 November 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

5. Do you think that a separate event for premium planes only would be appropriate? 

 

Yes by all means.

 

There are a lot of us with lots of premiums, why not put them to good use? (plus it might boost a sale or two for you)

 

 

View PostblindfoId, on 25 November 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events?

 

European of course, for the country they are rented to.

 

Chinese premiums should be rent-for-another-nation too, else they are meaningless. No historical mojo, useless as trainers for pilots from a normal (non existent) tech tree... as they are now, I wouldn't even notice if you remove them from the game.


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Spartan_93 #3 Posted 25 November 2019 - 12:03 PM

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2. How do you like articles dedicated to the event? Are all conditions described understandable? Do we need any changes for better understanding?

Just saying "Distribution of PP". It was not from the beginning of the event clear, what you get PP for.


3. Do you think that event conditions were appropriately chosen for the aircraft types participating in every event?

The event conditions connected to aircraft type? Well, an aircraft type in no homogeneous group of planes. For example, there are heavy fighters with and without bombs/rockets, same for multiroles. The differences by the GAAs (soviet <=> german) is a point too


4. How do you like the rewards? Do you think they are worth fighting for? What rewards you'd like to see in the future? 

They were good.

 

5. Do you think that a separate event for premium planes only would be appropriate?

There should be no differentation between researchand premiumplanes.

 

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events?

Yes, because they are planes (surprise). There is no reason to exclude them.


7. Your other suggestions and opinions.

The competition part of the event was REALLY BAD. I have studies, job and private stuff and can't play that necesary amount of battles on the weekend. It seems, like this event was for jobless players (I don't want to offend someone with this statement). In the bomber stage I manage to play 34 battles, which is a lot for me. Ok, I get one chevron for this stage, but that stage killed my motivation.

 

It would be better, if you create events with personal milestones, without direct competetion aspects that limit the access to the rewards. Do you remember the good, old monthly missions? Mission chain, no tokens, no certificates. Just you, the mission and a guaranteed reward if you finish the mission.

 

In total, I dislike this event.



raketak_ #4 Posted 25 November 2019 - 12:57 PM

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  Hi blindfoId

 

1. frequency and duration of events is ok for me. Every weekend will be exhausting for me and I think for your team too.
2. Yes, I like. There was not mistakes and info was clear.
3. True is that limit multirole to only fighter role was bad for multirole with higher anti ground capability, but I play them mostly as fighter. No big problem for me.

4. Well, box and golds was more important for me that premium planes. But Im happy with my rewards :)

5. I will understand to business part of premium planes only event. I will not be happy from this, but I will not complain.

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events? - As rewards? Why not. In premium planes only? If I will pay for Chinese/EU premium plane and you will exclude them, I will be unhappy :)
7. Repeat this please :) And don't force me play bomber or GAA. I skip bomber only part.


 

In all, not all time was this fun. Multirole was too bad for me, my favorite Japan multirole was excluded and Attacker canons simply don't work for me. But I appreciate this event, thank you :)

 

 

 

 

 

 



zen_monk_ #5 Posted 25 November 2019 - 01:12 PM

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PS, raketak's excellent post reminded me of this suggestion

 

A new event for Multis with objectives suited for what they are - either number of cap points, number of bases capped or simple plain PP would be great! Let's use them as they are meant to be used, not as half-ar$ed fighters.


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Horcan #6 Posted 25 November 2019 - 01:37 PM

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If you really want this game to have a chance to grow, you have to encourage more casual people to play such events, not demotivate them. While it is good that by chance some might luckily get into some prizes, main event there is absolutely no chance except for a handfull of dedicated players, and a lot of people that felt they had no chance probably didnt even bothered. If you want to keep the game alive only for a that handfull of people , this is the way to go on.

Articles were ok, but design was not. Mainly because mastery was not really mastery, but more of leftovers. The perseverence winner most likely had 10 games way better than those who actually entered mastery. Maybe sort mastery first, then perseverence. So who is really mastery , be there regardless how much they played, even if they are rank 1 in perseverence.

It was ok that there was variation in score conditions, but i felt like some planes were there more than other ( i think i could use beaufighter in 3 stages? ).

Prizes are ok, but not the way they were given. Ditch the overall rankings , it frustrates and demotivates people that might want certain prize and see that they cant anymore after say it 3 stages.

Im ok for premiums event, but most likely it will anger people that doesnt have them.

So while im happy that i could win quite some goodies ( unfortunately i will use most of it in tanks, since im very dissapointed in the way this game is going ), i dont think such events are helpfull to the game, not while you dont fix the game and make it interesting for more than a bunch of guys who will never leave no matter what.
About flights and clans, i said it repeatedly and not just me. For every 2 guys happy to play in a flight, there are at least 2 unhappy about it. Its probably the main cause of early quits but have it your way, even though i dont understand why persist with clans if youre not going to ever give any content for them, other than a shared logo and tag. Which is not even visible in the battles.

Looking forward for this being deleted as nonconstructive and awarding me my 5th warning point. Still wondering how many i need to be disabled completely , since you didnt gave me the option to delete the forum account.

 


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nitemare_gary #7 Posted 25 November 2019 - 02:43 PM

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View PostblindfoId, on 25 November 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

1. How do you like the timeframe and frequency of the events (stages) of the Campaign? Should every event last longer/shorter? Do we need a gap between stages (there was an event-free weekend between stages)? 

2. How do you like articles dedicated to the event? Are all conditions described understandable? Do we need any changes for better understanding?
3. Do you think that event conditions were appropriately chosen for the aircraft types participating in every event?
4. How do you like the rewards? Do you think they are worth fighting for? What rewards you'd like to see in the future? 

5. Do you think that a separate event for premium planes only would be appropriate? 

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events?
7. Your other suggestions and opinions.

1. Spot on, like raketak said, every weekend would be exhausting.

2. Nothing wrong, just like normal.

3. A little room for improvement, but I did like the historical aspect of the battle of Moscow stage.

4. The rewards look good. not got any, yet . One question though, why did only some of the main reward planes have camos? 

5. Yes, absolutely.

6. Again, yes absolutely. Some people think that Chinese planes are useless, which technically they are. (I have a Hawk 3 because I wanted an aircraft from every nation) An event that included these planes would get players to give them a try.

7. The only thing I would add is a few more spaces to get chevrons, thus encouraging less experienced/devoted players to try. 

View PostHorcan, on 25 November 2019 - 01:37 PM, said:

 you have to encourage more casual people to play such events, not demotivate them.

Well I consider myself to be a casual player, with most week days being less than five battles a go. However, I found this event a challenge I could sink my teeth into and, on the weekends I was not away, gave It my best shot. I saw it as a chance to test myself against some of the best players in the community, and an excellent to play for the sake of it. So far I have not got on any of the result boards, but that did not stop me from playing 52 battles (the most I have ever done in three days) this time. If anything, I've tried harder with every attempt. Yes there are casual players who were put off by this event, but not all of them. I am eagerly awaiting the scores.

 

 

 

 


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Zanov #8 Posted 25 November 2019 - 03:12 PM

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Greetings.

 

First, thanks and congratulations, was a nice event.

 

My answers:

1. I like it, is correct (timeframe and frequency).
2. They are clear and nice, just missing some descriptions about how to get the needed points, but were explained in the forum answers ASAP, next time should be added to the article directly.
3. Mainly yes, once (like others explained) you asked to perform aerial combat with multiroles, forgetting about their ground attack chances, but not all multirole carry external loadout.
4. I am fine with the rewards, i could add some sugestions behind.

5. I think so, more suggestions behind.

6. Absolutely.
7. Some ideas, You could offer two different paths of rewards, maybe "Axis" and "Allies" rewards, every stage you allow to get "Axis" chevrons with some specific planes and "Allies" chevrons with other planes, that ones could be the less played ones in each nation and different tiers, trying to invite the best-more dedicated players to use them, and with better rewards or simply more chevrons, meanwhile at same time, a general classification with a bulk of planes where you get less rewards or chevrons, and they could be "common chevrons" valid for Axis or Allies, one example of this stage:  Allies:  tier V-VII yaks  Axis:  tier V-VII zeroes Common: tier V-X fighters .  "Axis" and "Allies" rankings will be arranged first (without looking if they have better ranking in common), and them arrange Common ranking.  Chinese and European planes could get a "booster" in some stages, so if you change an European plane to one side (Axis or Allies) you get a plus in your chevrons that stage (to that side), and Chinese could boost the common chevrons.

 

Great job, now waiting for chirstmas event, and some news about the Specialist-2 , USAF top tier Bombers, Twin Mustang fate and PVP mode (please, any news about that subjects? )

 

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View PostblindfoId, on 25 November 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

Here are some questions to guide your answers in this thread:

 

1. How do you like the timeframe and frequency of the events (stages) of the Campaign? Should every event last longer/shorter? Do we need a gap between stages (there was an event-free weekend between stages)? 
2. How do you like articles dedicated to the event? Are all conditions described understandable? Do we need any changes for better understanding?
3. Do you think that event conditions were appropriately chosen for the aircraft types participating in every event?
4. How do you like the rewards? Do you think they are worth fighting for? What rewards you'd like to see in the future? 

5. Do you think that a separate event for premium planes only would be appropriate? 

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events?
7. Your other suggestions and opinions.

 

Thank you for your time and good hunting!

 

 

1 Timeframe : totally inadequate , i work on Friday morning

 

2 Articles dedicated : not very understandable ( you can refer to the posts people sent you asking a lot of things cause it was not enough explicit )

 

3 Event Conditions chosen for the aircraft type : too bad especially for the ingame event with the multiroles ....

 

4 The rewards are not worth fighting for ....

 

5 You want to create an event for premium planes which leads to another question : could we have a table in which we can see our personnal or capture points ?

 

6 You ask for Chinese taking part in such event : we don't have the figures about how many people use them .... But as Zen said : "as they are now, I wouldn't even notice if you remove them from the game. "

 

7 Suggestion : Fix the server , the game is considerably unplayable  so we can avoid those many battles with people disconnected , it ruins the game .

 

 

Other suggestion :  someone erased my post this morning considering that it was not constructive ... well the guy who made this didn't even mentioned his name  : you lack courage and honesty !

 

                     



PaulSturm #10 Posted 25 November 2019 - 03:42 PM

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From my experience with the events like this and the problems, I had with it, enabling in-game tracking of results is an absolute must!

 

If we go back to ''Secret trials'' specials, players actually played more then, even though rewards were smaller, 500 gold/equipment. But they could track their progress and determine, with the number of games usually played per day, if they can participate or not and probably just seeing the name on the list was an additional motivation. Without in-game tracking, I think that many give up at the start, not knowing if the effort will bring them any rewards...so that needs to be changed.

Rewards are great, for the top 5 anyway, and they go to the same people every time, or to the poll of 20 players total that can expect to be there. You should introduce a wider list of 'interesting' rewards to motivate more players to participate, something like 'Operation orders' for premium planes low/middle tier outside top 5/10 would be nice, crew/equipment...more achievable rewards, more people will participate.

 

The timeframe is fine, especially weekends and not every week.

 

Chinese premium planes could be a viable option if they are crew trainers like Europian nations, many players have them and they could be an additional choice but not the only option for some events.

 

And for the event conditions...you should always think about the role of the planes in the game and not forcing players to play them wrong. Also, victory should be one of the main condition, I noticed during some stages of this event, that I didn't think about victories in some games at all, because defending or attacking sectors, neutral planes,  were just a waste of time, hunting red planes, being where they are concentrated, was much more beneficial and it's wrong, probably were very annoying for players that didn't participated in event.



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If you want to get more people to play you need to stop doing competitions with prizes for 10 people. It wont work either way , with or without tracking ingame. Because people are either uncertain how they are doing or they see how they are doing and know they dont have a chance to win. Both ways they stop playing rather than wasting time for nothing. If you do events "assessable ", like score 1 million pp,where everyone win if they achieve a goal, people know they can do it or not. If they dont, its mostly their fault, the way event are now its either your fault or other people fault cause they played more or better. Ofc , as long as there is a reasonable goal.
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View PostHorcan, on 25 November 2019 - 07:56 PM, said:

 

 

Strange times... for once I agree with Horcan.

 

There's a disturbance in the force.


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Shark1530 #13 Posted 25 November 2019 - 08:18 PM

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1. Gap between stages are ok. To me 4-5 stages maybe is enough, but ok!
2. It s ok
3. Did not boder with that, as a true pilots we have mission to do and to win against mighty enemy :-P haha
4. Rewards ok,would like gold, tokens and free exp, maybe some prem plane ;-)
5. Maybe, don t know
6. Maybe, don t know, infect I have only one tier 3 EU prem, so maybe better not haha!
7a. It s better that you do not know what I think about that and about possibility that group of players do presure and think they own first 5 places and when it was possible to track in game results I did not see them in first 20, not to mention first 5 places! First time few of us come in first 5 places sudnly there are group of players who saw problem, but they did not saw it in all others stages when it was convenient to them and when it was pretty strange results, but ok! As I said this is only hypothesis and conspiracy theories lol :-) When it was possible to track in game I won 4th place, so I do not have problem with that, but maybe some would have! In other hand when it is not possible to track in game result, players do not compete and play as they think is the best, what is nice!
7b. In result I was 3 time in 2nd group and 2time in 3rd group. That I ve try to played last stage for 2nd group also( I did not try I just play ), I would be 4 time in 2nd and 2 time in 3rd group, but with that result you can choose 3rd reward plane. Normally would be that you can choose 2nd reward plane.But probably it s not easy to adjust that, so ok!

 

That remind me I would like to choose Airacobra instead 302, but dont forget to give me all others rewards from 302, like 20 unique supply instead 15 from Airacobra  :-) That s all folks, have a nice day!

 



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View PostblindfoId, on 25 November 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

7. Your other suggestions and opinions.

I did not participate in the event, but made some battles during.

First of all please fix the Server(s) its really a shame with all the Lag during battles.

Make some advertisement in other Forums to attract players of Tanks and Ships to join for some Battles.

I made a post in the german part of the WOT Forum, but then again its a shame with the server performance.

If i was possible to attract players from WOT to look into Warplanes again, you can imagine their reaction with all the mockery about LAG.

 

Personally i would appreciate if the conditions to win could be changed, like for example:

Make 10 Battles in a Heavy (Multirole/Fighter etc.) and all scores from that battles are added together.

The result of this addition leads into a score.

It will allow more players to have a chance to win something, not only the ones who play the whole day...


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View PostblindfoId, on 25 November 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

1. How do you like the timeframe and frequency of the events (stages) of the Campaign? Should every event last longer/shorter? Do we need a gap between stages (there was an event-free weekend between stages)? 

2. How do you like articles dedicated to the event? Are all conditions described understandable? Do we need any changes for better understanding?
3. Do you think that event conditions were appropriately chosen for the aircraft types participating in every event?
4. How do you like the rewards? Do you think they are worth fighting for? What rewards you'd like to see in the future? 

5. Do you think that a separate event for premium planes only would be appropriate? 

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events?
7. Your other suggestions and opinions.

 

1. Timing is OK. The free weekend in between is nice. 6 weekends in a row would be a bit too much ... (to me)

2. Articles are OK. And if there are any questions, they are answered in the forum.

3. I would like to see ratings for tiers, just plane type is too broad. When flying GA from tier V to X, in split tier battles the lower tier often doesn't have a chance. Also scores in higher tiers are in general much higher.

4. Rewards are OK. The chevrons are a nice addition.

5. Any events are good. And this would be a great motivation for pilots actually supporting the game by buying premiums.

6. Sure. 

7. I hated it that some pilots who did not participate spoiled it for participants by disrupting their play with Ef-131's and other OP planes. But that can't be helped I guess.

 


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I didn't play in the event because initially I wasn't even aware of it. Perhaps have info regarding the event in the game client?/hangar view? Like the existing permanent and other temporary missions? With option to activate/join

(Or was it actually there and I just didn't see? If it was then perhaps increase its visibility with a pop up or banner?)



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Didn't really play the event because I know I have no chance of getting any nice prizes.

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View PostblindfoId, on 25 November 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

(...)

1. We do know and understand that online tracking of your results would be awesome, but unfortunately, it is not technically possible at the moment for such kind of events. 

==> In this case, communication must be done on all sites and it must be possible to discuss it from all the forums. There are no more posts on the French forum: is it closed ?

 

2. We haven't and won't limit the participation of flights and clans. It's a social factor of our game, and every pilot can join a flight or a clan. 

==> yeah it's great !

 

 

(...)

1. How do you like the timeframe and frequency of the events (stages) of the Campaign? Should every event last longer/shorter? Do we need a gap between stages (there was an event-free weekend between stages)? 
2. How do you like articles dedicated to the event? Are all conditions described understandable? Do we need any changes for better understanding?
3. Do you think that event conditions were appropriately chosen for the aircraft types participating in every event?
4. How do you like the rewards? Do you think they are worth fighting for? What rewards you'd like to see in the future? 

5. Do you think that a separate event for premium planes only would be appropriate? 

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events?
7. Your other suggestions and opinions.

(...)

 

1°)  timeframe and frequency are very well adapted.

2°) for the next, add key word in the title of posts to facilitate the search (...) And add more details to explain rules and conditions to obtain rewards

3°) all classes were fairly represented.

4°) allow more people to get rewards, score an additional 31 to 50 for example and add free XP gain ...

5/6°) there are unfortunately not enough players to allow themselves to exclude people who haven't necessarily developed the diferrent class and who could participate thanks to premium planes 


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View PostblindfoId, on 25 November 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

Here are some questions to guide your answers in this thread:

 

1. How do you like the timeframe and frequency of the events (stages) of the Campaign? Should every event last longer/shorter? Do we need a gap between stages (there was an event-free weekend between stages)? 
2. How do you like articles dedicated to the event? Are all conditions described understandable? Do we need any changes for better understanding?
3. Do you think that event conditions were appropriately chosen for the aircraft types participating in every event?
4. How do you like the rewards? Do you think they are worth fighting for? What rewards you'd like to see in the future? 

5. Do you think that a separate event for premium planes only would be appropriate? 

6. Should European and Chinese premium aircraft take part in such events?
7. Your other suggestions and opinions.

 

Thank you for your time and good hunting!

1. It can last longer than a 3 day period in order to intoduce more players into one event. Not everyone has the time to play a lot of games during weekends.

2. The articles were understandable.

3. I don't think they were appropriate for the multiroles.

4. Rewards were good.

5. I do not have an opinion on that. What about the players who do not have premium planes? Should they be excluded from the future event?

6. First of all there should not be Chinese planes tree in Wowp. The number of aircraft is very limited and because of that almost nobody uses them. Maybe it should be possible to change nations for these aircrafts (like with European aircrafts). This way you may encourage more players to actualy play them.

7. The most important sentence I would like to add to the topic. In order to have more players involved in an event YOU SHOULD INTRODUCE LONG TERM EVENTS with one objective. I'm thinking about the VAMPIRE/XP-55 event that everybody will be able to make some progress while actually playing the game. This way you may invite more players into the community.


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View Postprawiejakzywiec666, on 27 November 2019 - 05:47 PM, said:

1. It can last longer than a 3 day period in order to intoduce more players into one event. Not everyone has the time to play a lot of games during weekends.

2. The articles were understandable.

3. I don't think they were appropriate for the multiroles.

4. Rewards were good.

5. I do not have an opinion on that. What about the players who do not have premium planes? Should they be excluded from the future event?

6. First of all there should not be Chinese planes tree in Wowp. The number of aircraft is very limited and because of that almost nobody uses them. Maybe it should be possible to change nations for these aircrafts (like with European aircrafts). This way you may encourage more players to actualy play them.

7. The most important sentence I would like to add to the topic. In order to have more players involved in an event YOU SHOULD INTRODUCE LONG TERM EVENTS with one objective. I'm thinking about the VAMPIRE/XP-55 event that everybody will be able to  emake some progress while actually playing the game. This way you may invite more players into the community.

What he said. All of it. Especially #7






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