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[bombuhr]

Hi there!

 

I was just wondering if anyone else would be interested in a "small" change to the Daily missions.

I'm specifically thinking about the tier grouping:

I-IV

V-VII

VIII-X

 

I'm not that big of a fan of any plane at tier IV.and below to play it that often that it requires to complete a daily mission.

However i'm in love with planes at tier V, VI and VII.

I know this is my very own personal preference and those thoughts may not be shared by many. But since I'm home sick with the flu I got nothing better to do than to indulge in my feverish hallucinations.

 

So the simple Idea i had was to change the tiered grouping into by simply moving tier V to the first group:

So it would just be like this:

I-V

VI-VII

VIII-X

 

I wouldn't mind this variant eighter:

I-V

VI-VIII

IX-X

 

So what do you guys think?

Edited by bombuhr, 20 February 2020 - 12:22 PM.

[andrew3142]

Both suggestions are an improvement (IMHO) but how about removing tiers 1 to 3 completely from main mission set; and giving them their own, independent daily rewards? That way, there is no need for experienced players to slum it in the very low tiers but newbies can still collect some rewards/tokens

[zen_monk_]

No.

 

It would stay more or less the same, broken.

 

Separate token awards per tiers:

 

Tier I-IV for 1 token

Tier V-VII for 4 token

Tier VIII-C for 10 token

 

or at least scale the requirements according to tier group capabilities.

[CheefCoach]

I would go with V-X or even VI-X as single category! 

[zen_monk_]

Whatever, just as long as it is segmented with rewards according to tier.

 

As it is now, newbies CAN NOT MAKE any tokens - no planes in VIII-X group.

As it is now, veterans ARE FORCED to play in low tiers, with all the inevitable clubbing

As it is now, NO ONE IS HAPPY

 

Separate Token rewards in three groups - low, mid and high. So if you have only tow tier planes, you can earn 1 by 1 by 1, achieve the middle group and it's 4 by 4 by 4...  Everybody can participate, all will have the incentive.

 

What we have now is fundamentally broken against new players in so many ways.

[GonerNL]

zen_monk_, on 20 February 2020 - 03:11 PM, said:

Everybody can participate, all will have the incentive.

 

And you can just keep seal-clubbing and get 15 tokens !!  

[levlos]

We have to think about what are the needs of players according to their experience and levels:

- beginners (seals) need materials and some crew XP to improve their planes and pilots. They also want medals like everyone. Giving them tokens to accelarate specialization is not a very good idea, for it will make them go up in the tree too fast, before they develop their skills

 

- veterans (clubbers) want tokens to specialize their high-tier airplanes, medals and money to buy expensive modules. They want to be in the hall of fames to compare the lenght of you-know-what. They relish rare medals, tokens and feats. They have tons of materials already, and their crews already have tons of XP.

 

The simplest way to avoid seal-clubbing is to make them not meet.

- Give to the tiers I-IV materials and some extra crew XP, plus some simple medals. No hall of fame. No tokens. Experienced players will not want any of those.

- Give high tiers more money, tokens, hall of fame, shiney medals and feats. Materials as well of course.

[zen_monk_]

Oh yes, suggested million times before... HoF should count only from tier IV or V up (and I would add only a single player battles, no flights). It would eliminate sooo much clubbing.

[FlyingDutchman69]

all suggestions would be nice  but...…   there will be no change at all due to the low playernumbers

[atlasapl]

I dislike playing tier 4 or below. There are some fine planes down there, I just don't like playing there. Maybe the lower tiers (1 to 3) should be restricted to players with less than a certain number of games. If a vetran want's to play a line they haven't played before, they start at the first tier after the restricted zone.

The restricted zone has single tier matchmaking to make things as easy as possible for beginners.

On a different (but related) point. I have held the belief for a while that tier 10 should be restricted to only playing other tier 10's. Maybe tier 9 & 10 together.

 

Oh, and get rid of HoF all together. It serves no positive purpose.

Edited by atlasapl, 20 February 2020 - 04:41 PM.

[jakub_czyli_ja]

Real problem with weekly missions is their lack of balance.

 

Frags, GTs, assists seems to be bit simpler on low tiers, exp harvesting much, much harder.

 

Missions to harvest XXk exp are quite common, and take much more (boring) time playing tiers I-IV than tiers VIII-X, because of experience multiplication.

That stupidity does damage on both sides - players are frustrated, because they could spend time in game better playing other planes, and poor newbies on receiving end are just slaughtered for peanut exp that need to be harvested.

 

From my experience harvesting 25k exp requires some 20-30 battles with low tiers, and 10-15 with top tiers. Middle are whatever, there are plenty premium planes to train crews.

 

Simple scaling requirement down in low tiers and scaling up on highest, to take same number of battles should reduce frustration level.

Of course, if some WG bean counter decides to scale requirements in middle and high tiers to low tier values, (20-30 battles), it won't work.

 

I think about reducing requirements to ~20 battles in each group, which would be like 20/25/40 k exp.

 

And same for all other imba missions.

[Ziptop]

Unlink the missions. Make it possible for those with only low tier planes to earn some tokens too. 

 

Think that unskilled players will use tokens to update their planes? On 1 token per daily mission? 

 

Most new players are struggling to get enough together to afford hangars! (A lesson I recently learned on my US account which I play without premium or gold. You are basically stuck in the low tiers grinding at a really slow rate simply because the economy isn't so rewarding down there.) 

 

Of course, if you are going to throw REAL money at it, into gold etc then, well you can buy your way up the tiers too fast anyway. So that makes the "no tokens for noobs stops noobs polluting higher tier games" a bit of a non argument.

[Rakijash_Ispicutura]

Now 1 question. Can someone explain me 1 mission becuse for all I know what I have to do, but for that I'm not sure. Mission is: 

Earn the required amount of base XP while flying on U.S.S.R. aircraft. 

OK, I know to have to flight on Russian planes, but, what I have to do? Capture bases, defend bases or just fly over captured bases or what? If it is anywhere, send me a link, and if not, please, explain me.

Edited by Rakijash_Ispicutura, 06 June 2020 - 08:55 PM.

[zen_monk_]

Here's a meh game I just did.

 

This bigger number of 3 940 is an XP with all the bonuses. Hover a pointer over it and the right screen opens, where you have that first circled number - that's your Basic XP.

 

Fly Russkies, go fight, down planes, cap, def... all brings points.

 

[apartclassic]

Rakijash_Ispicutura, on 06 June 2020 - 08:53 PM, said:

Now 1 question. Can someone explain me 1 mission becuse for all I know what I have to do, but for that I'm not sure. Mission is: 

Earn the required amount of base XP while flying on U.S.S.R. aircraft. 

OK, I know to have to flight on Russian planes, but, what I have to do? Capture bases, defend bases or just fly over captured bases or what? If it is anywhere, send me a link, and if not, please, explain me.

 

Basically, anything. Base xp, as stated. Since xp are directly related to damage done to various targets, your best bet is to kill Light Fighters while you are flying any Soviet plane.

[Rakijash_Ispicutura]

Now is Soviet, other time is other nations, whatever. I make more then 15k or less then 10k personal points, and never get more then 1K base XP. Nothing then, Ill kill any who I can and it will be what have to be. Thanks.

[Ziptop]

Unlink the daily reward missions...

 

PLUS

 

I think there should actually be a penalty for experienced players flying at lower tiers. 

 

500 hours in game? You earn zero XP of any kind for flying below T4

1000 hours in game? It COSTS you XP AND to fly below T4

500 hours in game and flying in flight with a similarly experienced player below T4 will COST XP and Silver.

(500+ hours in game and flying below T4 will count as a LOSS in your stats regardless of the outcome of the battle and any aircraft kills at those tiers will not be counted in your stats at all)

 

Harsh but fair

(uncle joe stalin and his spirit animal the grumpy shrew appeared to me in a dream and suggested this easy and amusing fix. He also suggested it should be introduced silently and be back dated to every players last 1000 battles)

 

This would provide an incentive for players to progress out of the lower tiers at a reasonable and realistic pace and will also provide a much needed penalty mechanic to inhibit the stat padder and seal clubber fraternity.

 

 

Edited by Ziptop, 07 June 2020 - 02:55 AM.

[Rakijash_Ispicutura]

Nice adwice, but in game is hugh problem called bug in game and server problem. It isn't real bug, but it is program inside game which slow down your plane or kick you from game in minute or two if you are not PtW (play to win) player and in enemy team is PtW players. Well, I'm one of them because I give all rights to my wife, so I'm hosewife(man) and she goes to work. Less money, but more time for game, fishing and neighbours wifes while they on work. I don't have even credit card to pay anything only money on mobile. And you know, you need a lot of tokens. When I'm on higest tiers, in every second or third flight, game kick me out and when I back, enemy took allmost all or more then half bases. That is reason why I fight for tokens and flight in lower tiers. I don't like them, but when you need you have to do something.

[Rakijash_Ispicutura]

And here is 1 of many my flight when connections and server is good. 

 

[apartclassic]

Rakijash_Ispicutura, on 06 June 2020 - 09:37 PM, said:

Now is Soviet, other time is other nations, whatever. I make more then 15k or less then 10k personal points, and never get more then 1K base XP. Nothing then, Ill kill any who I can and it will be what have to be. Thanks.

 

XP is heavily tier dependant, and there is a hard cap on xp per tier (xp earnings grow till tier 9, then drop slightly for tier 10). By hard cap I mean a limit per kill or frag, not a max amount per battle. On higher tiers (t7+) you can make 4-6k base xp per battle, on low tiers (up to tier 4) 2k is extremely good, with 1k being the average. That's why daily missions for base xp are completely unbalanced.

Edited by apartclassic, 07 June 2020 - 06:37 PM.