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zen_monk_ #1 Posted 14 March 2020 - 09:39 PM

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on 37:50, but the **** youtube won't let me place the exact time

 


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Thanks Zen :)

 

These planes and their pilots have fasinated me since I were a little kid. I actually have been inside plenty of these warbirds. When I was 15 (in 1981) I got my scuba diving license. At the time I lived in Ørlandet, near an airbase at the coast outside Trondheim. My main interest then was not girls, but whales, I used too look out the window, and when I saw an orca or porpoise or anything mammal I jumped into the suit and ran out (about 10m to the sea), but never ever did I se one under water, lol. I was told a group of orcas inspected me once, but with plenty plankton in the water, the visibility was maybe 2 meter, so they saw me without me even knowing they were very close.

Anyway, sorry I stray off the topic, during the war Tirpitz was hiding in the very same fjord, and the germans had a big bomber and fighter base there, hence there were plenty birds in the water. I talked to several of the old people living around the base, and they told me where damaged (mostly german) planes fell down, and I found several remains, mostly junkers (88) and heinkels. Some wrecks had exploded on impact and I could not tell what it had been. In the area there were also skua, lancasters and halifaxes. Up north there were baufighters and moscuitos. All human remains were dissolved, but sometimes we found artifacts from their personal belongings, giving sober thoughts about their last minutes. My favourite planes were always mosquitos, often used against shipping and long range bombers on the Norwegian coast.

Btw, I have also been into a Yak that was found in a fjord outside Kirkenes near the Russian border, when I was in the army up there. As with Mosquito it tail was made of wood and had been dissolved in the water. So sad that since I started diving, most wrecks have degraded to a much worse state.

 

edit: I have not ever seen a p38 in Norwegian waters, but it has always been an Airfix model favourite, lol. Sorry I hijacked ur post Zen.

 


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Vladinir_Shotitov #3 Posted 14 March 2020 - 10:54 PM

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Actually a very interesting read for a hijack - thanks, bug.  Over here, wrecks are considered war graves and anything found therein must either be left or passed to the authorities for onward transmission to relatives of the deceased.

 

...and inevitably I have to add that I've seen a few girls (I do live in the UK after all) who could be mistaken for whales...


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zen_monk_ #4 Posted 15 March 2020 - 07:36 AM

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That's the way to hijack :great: good read.

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View PostVladinir_Shotitov, on 14 March 2020 - 11:54 PM, said:

Over here, wrecks are considered war graves and anything found therein must either be left or passed to the authorities for onward transmission to relatives of the deceased.

 

 

That's even international law, as far as I know, but :

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/nov/03/worlds-biggest-grave-robbery-asias-disappearing-ww2-shipwrecks



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In game I often do horizontal BnZ as I am lazy to climb back, but if enemy team notice that, you can be easily finished and you should do climbing..

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View PostGonerNL, on 15 March 2020 - 09:39 AM, said:


Thats right. Many wrecks are considered as graves. We have a lot of wrecks from the war, bot civilian and military, and they are protected by several laws, not just the grave memorial site law, but most are not forbidden to dive on. Some you need permission to dive on, like inside Narvik habor where one of the first naval battles in ww2 took place.

You can of course not rob these wrecks, nor treat them with disrespect (destroy or disturb them). Still it is a great problem in our waters that divers take souvernirs. When divers find wrecks now, they try not to reveal their position in order to protect them. You need to make arrangements with the local diving club to get the location. Another problem is that many war time wrecks contain ammunition, so they are very dangerous to dive on.

 

 

Edit. This is how most wrecks look like now: Ju 88 wreck This is right outside of the farm of a family member on Ørland

Here is a film about diving on the wrecks of 5 beaufighters downed on "black friday", pretty much how most wrecks looks like now. Now I pretty much completely took over this post. :facepalm:


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Just as a sidenote, due to stall mechanics change (which was never really explained by WG, despite many many critical comments) this is basically the way to do BnZ right now. Vertical BnZ got hit severely, and it's rather hard to pull off (when your opponent knows what he's doing - otherwise it's still pretty effective). Add to that people specializing some planes (XF90 anyone?) for speed, and you have horizontal BnZ running the show. Can't say I enjoy this, but... effective is effective... Hey, even human bombers do that now, with their speed and powerful gunners - and yet people still think TnB is the meta ;)

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I don't think turn and burn has ever been the dominating play style at high tiers in version 2 and, with the advent of the ridiculous EF-131 and Su-10, it's even less so.  Even heavy fighters are unwise to attack those things from behind; pretty much, they've ruined tier 9/10 games.

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 17 March 2020 - 12:10 PM, said:

 pretty much, they've ruined tier 9/10 games.

 

Not only there ; I've had battles with B-32's and RB-17's that flip sectors like mad.

Especially when one team - and this happens a lot - gets a human specialist and the other team a (lower tier !) bot trainee.



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View PostGonerNL, on 17 March 2020 - 01:39 PM, said:

 

Not only there ; I've had battles with B-32's and RB-17's that flip sectors like mad.

Especially when one team - and this happens a lot - gets a human specialist and the other team a (lower tier !) bot trainee.

 

Both of those planes can be killed with any HF from that tier, much MUCH easier than those game-breaker bombers from Tier 10.


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View Postzen_monk_, on 17 March 2020 - 01:51 PM, said:

Both of those planes can be killed with any HF from that tier, much MUCH easier than those game-breaker bombers from Tier 10.

 

Sure, but I don't know before I start a battle that there will be bombers and how bad matchmaker messes up ... so there I am in my light fighter or GA and the enemy has bombers.

And at their level, the B-31 and RB-17 can be pretty damn tough when ultimate specced.

 



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GonerNL I would advise you to play a bomber if you think it is so easy to handle.

EF131

SU10

now you've added B32 and RB17 to the group of overpowered aircrafts.


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I rejoice when I see B32 as an opponent. RB17 not so much, can be tricky, but doable.

 

But those tier 10 bombers... gulp. Even in my hyper pimped US & UK HF's 10 it's gulp.


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I have no understanding for people who don't attack at once when enemy bombers are in reach.  As well when people don't attack GAA. When someone is not able to shut them down, he should  train that.  Don't fly too near to a B32 and take care that your guns got the farest range in the tier. Don't attak an IL 20 from the back but from the side and fly underneath it. Things like that can be trained until this plane are victims for you. OK a B-32 with a light fighter is difficult, but possible even if you don't have too many points any more after that. But it has to be done at once. 

 

I prefer the KI 45 and 102 I must say. The P-38s probably was great in the Pacific, but on hour small battlefields that plane lost  lots of it's advantages.

 

 



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View Postprawiejakzywiec666, on 17 March 2020 - 08:58 PM, said:

now you've added B32 and RB17 to the group of overpowered aircrafts.

 

Do you even read my posts or just get a knee-jerk reaction and go toxic ??

"Pretty damn tough" is what I said ... "overpowered" is your own invention. And where did I say that bombers "are easy to handle" ? Stop making things up to try and prove your point (whatever that is).

My point is that matchmaker does silly thing with "matching" human and bot bombers. 

 

And for the record, I'm not the only one here having a problem with those tier X bombers. Some quotes :

those game-breaker bombers from Tier 10

the ridiculous EF-131 and Su-1 ... pretty much, they've ruined tier 9/10 games

 


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The foregoing depends on the aircraft you are flying and the bomber in question, assuming it has a human pilot and particularly if it is specialised.  In that case, you would be foolish to attack a heavily armoured and heavily armed bomber from line astern in a light fighter unless it was already severely damaged.  You would be foolish to attack an EF-131 or Su-10 in any aircraft, heavy fighters included, from line astern.  In those cases it's better to mark the bombers, fly away and hope your bots can damage it badly enough for you to return and finish it off.

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 18 March 2020 - 09:26 AM, said:

 In those cases it's better to mark the bombers, fly away 

 

Yep, that's what I do normally.

Mark a bomber with F4 when it's too high or too ultimate. Bot heavies react to that in most cases. Or try to shoot other enemies over the sector under attack to make up for the damage the bomber is doing (but in most cases they flip a sector in one run).

 






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