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CheefCoach #221 Posted 02 June 2020 - 08:50 AM

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 11 May 2020 - 09:42 PM, said:

Wrong.  Even two heavies against a specialised bomber and a good pilot can and will lose.  The game is broken, don't offer idiocies like "man up", please.

 

Well you don't have any tier 9 or tier 10 bomber specialized or not. Also you don't have specialized tier 9 or tier 10 heavy fighter, and your experience in flying those is limited. 

So no, two heavy fighters will take down bomber. 


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CheefCoach #222 Posted 02 June 2020 - 09:02 AM

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View Postapartclassic, on 11 May 2020 - 05:10 PM, said:

 

It's a lot less about player skill than one might suggest, it's mostly about the bare stats of a specialized bomber, equipped with ultimate modules and fitted with consumables, that pushes them beyond balance.

 

This is the crap am telling from the page one. It is not the bomber as much as equipment. Sure, in WoWp tradition OPiness of plane is measure in his altitude, and bombers have the most altitude, but:

 

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49.6% of concealment and 35% of reduction of AA damage is the game changer, and add to that 35 sec of bomb reload and 20% more damage (bcs. pilot skill and consumable).


Edited by CheefCoach, 02 June 2020 - 09:03 AM.

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levlos #223 Posted 02 June 2020 - 10:08 AM

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hehe,

 

Nice testing Coach, but I have an issue with the initial parameters. Maybe Yahweh issued 15 commandments and only 10 remained (may you be blessed, Mel Brooks), but Tetragrammaton certainly did not command you to fly your bomber at 3000+ meters -instead, it is flown at about 1000 meters to ensure every bomb hits its target, as I currently do with my Petlyakovs. As a bonus, you can erase defense aircraft to ensure your cap in case a bomb deviates.

 

Try it again at the altitude where I find most good pilots, with a trail gunner that has a 65% / 75% chance of causing critical damage, and we may discuss this again :)


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CheefCoach #224 Posted 02 June 2020 - 12:43 PM

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I play on high altitudes because I want my Doolittle and Lang medals; and tokens that are coming with them. On 3000 meters bombs are quite accurate and it is easy to play the plane. Flying them on 1000 meters is sacrilege. 

 

I tried EF on 1000-1200 m (I had Armed and dangerous mission anyway) and i got shot down twice: once by defensive bots, and another time by AA after Me 262 left me with little hp. That Me 262 pass with almost no damage received because he fly much faster than me and just shot and bypass me. I chased off few light fighters away. No Doolittle but I got almost 22k of personal points.

 

I switched to Su 10 and finish the mission. AA stile got me once, and I used repair shop once. Teammate with Me 1101 went berserk and got 22 kills. Human in Yak 30 tested the theory can Yak kill Su 10 from dead behind, and answer is: it can not. 

 

I want you to observe how close I were to the bots and they ignored me. It is due to stealth. 

 

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View PostCheefCoach, on 02 June 2020 - 12:43 PM, said:

I play on high altitudes because I want my Doolittle and Lang medals; and tokens that are coming with them. On 3000 meters bombs are quite accurate and it is easy to play the plane. Flying them on 1000 meters is sacrilege. 

 

I tried EF on 1000-1200 m (I had Armed and dangerous mission anyway) and i got shot down twice: once by defensive bots, and another time by AA after Me 262 left me with little hp. That Me 262 pass with almost no damage received because he fly much faster than me and just shot and bypass me. I chased off few light fighters away. No Doolittle but I got almost 22k of personal points.

 

I switched to Su 10 and finish the mission. AA stile got me once, and I used repair shop once. Teammate with Me 1101 went berserk and got 22 kills. Human in Yak 30 tested the theory can Yak kill Su 10 from dead behind, and answer is: it can not. 

 

I want you to observe how close I were to the bots and they ignored me. It is due to stealth. 

 

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i tend to fly low in the Ruski tier 10 around 750-1000 meters, after capping if my health drops below 50%, I nose dart the plane into the ground, its a classy move....Disco don't fly no beat up plane, disco only flies shiny planes!

 

 

...Oh hang on medals 

 

 


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TheNobleQ #226 Posted 05 June 2020 - 05:53 AM

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That the tier 10 bombers are game-wrecking isn't even a debate.

 

 


Edited by RoyalFlyingCorps, 05 June 2020 - 05:59 AM.


TheNobleQ #227 Posted 05 June 2020 - 05:55 AM

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View PostCheefCoach, on 02 June 2020 - 08:44 AM, said:

I have been playing with fully specked EF 131 and:

Specked human heavy fighter can blow me out of sky in matter of seconds. I am not the best player in the history of this game, but I ain't idiot as well. So can specked Me 1101s. 

Speed on EF isn't that great, but altitude and length of time when that speed can be achieved is. 

I play as God intended, 3000+ meters, and with camo and radio navigation equipment usually nobody is attacking me, as nobody can see me. This is the issue, equipment that makes bomber stelth bomber. To remind you, radio navigation equipment was introduced into the game after bombers were designed! 

As stock EF have 4 bombs every 50 seconds, or 1 bomb/12.5 sec. Specked it is dropped to 35 sec, or 1 bomb/8.75 sec. That is bit to much. What I propose for them to do is to reduce number of bombs to 2 and reduce stock reload time to 30-32 sec. So we would have 1 bomb/15-16 sec stock and 1 bomb/10.5-11 sec as specked. It would make plane more fun to play as stock, and it would be less influential. 

Boost times should be more similar across the all classes. 

 

 

So, after telling everybody to stop moaning about the OP tier 10 bombers, you actually try playing them and realise you were wrong.  Perhaps it would be better if you knew what you were talking about before you talked in future.

Most of your other comments about the game are obviously not the product of actual experience, which is why you are generally uninformative and misleading.  However, I commend you on correcting yourself here.


Edited by RoyalFlyingCorps, 05 June 2020 - 06:00 AM.


CheefCoach #228 Posted 05 June 2020 - 06:19 AM

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 05 June 2020 - 06:55 AM, said:

 

So, after telling everybody to stop moaning about the OP tier 10 bombers, you actually try playing them and realise you were wrong.  Perhaps it would be better if you knew what you were talking about before you talked in future.

Most of your other comments about the game are obviously not the product of actual experience, which is why you are generally uninformative and misleading.  However, I commend you on correcting yourself here.

 

If you actually went back and read what I have wrote down, you will see that you are mistaken. I never, and stile don't think that rear guns on bombers are the problem, and most people here was complaining about rear guns. Also from the day one I was saying that problem is in equipment, and that stock bombers aren't OP, and I stile think the same. Almost every plane with ultimate equipment becomes OP!

 

Also I am playing this game actively since beta and I know what I am talking. It is almost 7 years by now. 


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