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[Woolfie_aka_paca_chatban]

sorry  guys but !!  I have finally  specialised p38 f after having it for ages  wish I hadn't 

as the top gun are crap no Crap  and you can't put the better guns on (can't have your cake and eat it ) 

as such I will not  do the same to the J 

please be aware all you newcomers  and have fun  with the second tier guns 

Edited by theOneWithaChatBan, 26 April 2020 - 08:03 PM.

[KlausHetti]

Why don't you switch back from the specialised version to the standard version?
There you can choose the guns you want.
You will only lose all advantages of specialisation regarding optimised equipment.

[maxram68]

KlausHetti, on 27 April 2020 - 09:41 AM, said:

Why don't you switch back from the specialised version to the standard version?
There you can choose the guns you want.
You will only lose all advantages of specialisation regarding optimised equipment.

 

I agree that's a solution of some kind.

I also agree with "theOneWith..." that the top guns on P-38 F/J are useless, complete crap.

 

However, the real question is: why punish (limit) planes that have been specialised in relation to weapons ?

 

[chapultacus]

P38F/J with 37mm cannon are like a wild horse, they will be your favorite if you learn how to use them. Trust me 

Watch now if you are online https://www.twitch.tv/chapultacus

Edited by chapultacus, 27 April 2020 - 10:24 AM.

[levlos]

Dear chapultacus,

 

Being on the receiving end of your deadly P-38F and J, I must admit that you can turn any aircraft into driftwood in a matter of seconds. So it works. But like the others, I can't seem to make it work at all for me. I find the 37mm muzzle speed to be low and deflection shots very difficult. Plus the MG have different shell trajectory -and the bloody plane goes too fast to apply your DPS onto the target. When I compare it to the Japanese heavies, the Ki-45 and the fearful Ki-102, the armament behaves in a completely different way: all shells behave like laser beams, hit the target at the same spot, have that one-pass-one-kill capability and deal incredible criticals. Plus, you turn better and accelerate fast enough (still less than the P-38!) to loose a chasing Yak, Ki or out-of-boost Spitfire.

 

What am I doing wrong ? Why can't I be as good as you devil are ? What is your trick ? You have a weapons group to aim the 37mm only and not be distracted by the M2 brownings ? I am almost always unable to finish a fighter in one pass if it maneuvers a bit - sigh.

 

Always a pleasure to meet you in your P-38 in the skies, even if you delicately pick off my wings, cut off my tail, smash my engine and turn my plane into a floating accordeon

 

[maxram68]

chapultacus, on 27 April 2020 - 11:14 AM, said:

P38F/J with 37mm cannon are like a wild horse, they will be your favorite if you learn how to use them. Trust me 

Watch now if you are online https://www.twitch.tv/chapultacus

Oh, I trust you. Like levlos, I've been on the wrong end of your guns on more than one occasion 

...and you play very well, even without 'overfocusing' individual players to a degree where it looks like an obsession (note to self: a subject for a different topic).

 

However, the previous question still remains - it was aimed at WG.

Those of us not being able to hit like you do (read: we need more than one frigging 'attempt' every 2 secs.), would still like to have the middle-gun available in the specialised setup - not only for the P-38's but for any plane in general - without having to get more os less 'punished' for doing so.

 

 

Edited by maxram68, 27 April 2020 - 10:57 AM.

[Woolfie_aka_paca_chatban]

yep I agree the 37 mm is an ok gun but the range is crap compared to  other 37 mm in the game 

I would LOVE TO HAVE MY CAKE (specialised) AND EAT IT (change gun spec. to the one I want )

just try using it against the op bomber with extra range and hit points with no help from  others 

half your hit points gone before you get close enough to hit it 

as for going back to stock  eek have I lost that much  credits

 

Edited by theOneWithaChatBan, 27 April 2020 - 11:39 AM.

[chapultacus]

Gentlemen, the devil is in the details. The thing that p38f owners make mistakes is to train the plane to be much faster, this choice makes your plane like paper. I tried this, it is an effective method (for boom & zoom) but I changed it later and found a more efficient method. I thought that this plane is already fast, so my current strategy is to protect the engine, gain maneuverability, increase the accuracy of shooting and extend the shooting range. In addition, it is necessary to choose the pilot experiences to compensate for the shortcomings. examine the details below and try to understand the correlation between them. All the parts I have installed are in maximum calibration and the reassembly settings are intended to eliminating weaknesses. This is what wargaming wants us to do, although it has a lot to criticize (this is another toppic issue).

 

Equipments:

1.  Ultimate Collimator Sight 

• +21% accuracy of forward firing offensive armanent
• +10% causing a fire (+10% bonus)
• +10% chance of inflicting critical damage (+10% bonus)
• -12% pilot's resistance to injuries (+5%bonus)

2. Ultimate Engine Armor Protection

• +50% engine's resistance to critical damage
• +10% tolerance to damage from aa guns
• +10% resistace to fire 
• -3,7% maximum speed with boost activated (+2,5 bonus)

3. Ultimate Lightweight Power Unit (Special Project of Japan) --> competition gift

• +12,6 yaw maneuverability
• +4,7 maneuverability in turns
• +1,5 cruise speed (+1,5 bonus)
• +1% acceleration without boost (+1% bonus)
• -10,4% engines resistance to critical damage

4. Ultimate Long Gun Barrels

• +14,5% firing range of forward-firing offensive armanent
• +10% chance of inflicting critical damage (+10% bonus)
• +5% accuracy of forward-firing offensive armanent (+5% bonus)
• +5% damage inflicted by forward-firing offensive armanent (+5% bonus)
• -18% burst lenght of forward-firing offensive armanent

 

Consumables:

1. First aid dressing package

2. Exhaust bleed inerting system

3. Engine cooling

4. Improved mixture control

5. Incendiary ammnition --> competition gift

 

Pilot Skills:

1. Aerobatics experts

2. Aerodynamics experts

3. Protection experts

4. Engine guru I

5. Marksman I

6. Marksman II

+Seasonal paints for concealment and tolerance to damage from AA guns&gunners

+Looking at the mini map to play

 

With this configuration, I have multiple tactics against every enemy that approaches me, no matter what country, class or level (you can learn it on my twitch channel when i stream). I have achieved 85% win rate using p38 in this way for 2 months. also your resolution and fps are important, 25-30fps and low resolution enemies have no chance.. I have to go now, but if you are interested then I can explain later in more detail.

 

 

 

[Woolfie_aka_paca_chatban]

cheers best one yet  thanks CHAP

love the info.

[TungstenHitman]

Is the T6 P38 J a worthy upgrade offering over the T5 P38 F?

 

Reason I ask is I actually enjoy playing the Lightning these days but unfortunately once the F version is specialized it can no longer carry it's two 500lb bombs and I always like the option of carrying a couple of big chunky bombs on a my HF's.

 

I think, could be wrong, but I think the J version can carry bombs once specialized so for me that makes it attractive and almost worthy of going up one more tier but can the J take bombs when specialized and also, is there notable gains in speed and firepower to make this tier 6 version a worthy upgrade over the tier 5? Tier for tier, how does the J compete in battles against what it see's and fights compared to the F?

[GonerNL]

TungstenHitman, on 12 November 2020 - 10:59 AM, said:

but I think the J version can carry bombs once specialized 

 

Yep.

The specced J has 2 outboard slots, so you can carry bombs and rockets or nothing at all. Or only 1 of the 2 ...

 

 

J is a bit faster and has slightly better guns (same number, more dps).

 

Edited by GonerNL, 12 November 2020 - 02:11 PM.

[TungstenHitman]

Thanks my dude, that was the info I was looking for. Ya I'll go for the upgrade. There's a X5 xp going on right now and premium time too so... for all of us there's not often been a better time to take on these tempting up-tier offerings should they tick the boxes for what we're looking for in an airframe. 

 

I'm sure a lot of players would suggest to run a HF clean and keep it as fast as possible and play it at high alt... which is true, not arguing that good advice, BUT, personally I do get a little bored after a while of the same old rinse and repeat playstyle so I've been running most all my HF's with some ordinance of late and tbh I can't really say it's had much of a negative effect.

 

Most all of them can carry some pretty meaty bombs which for me, reload fast at 2 mins so... ya, it's a fun and interesting attribute they have. Sure, I wouldn't neglect my high alt bomber slapping duties but there's plenty of times a sector like a Mine or Missile base needs some ground target slapped or finished off in order to turn it and these HF's have that capacity within them... and there's times when a sector is being disputed and you gotta take that HF down to slap an enemy ground attack aircraft so once you kill that, drop a couple of bombs too and flip that sector. But for me it's all about trying to add more playstyle options to the same airframe rather than just jumping from aircraft to aircraft.

 

Lightnings also take a LOT of rockets as an option so once the important skills Marksman 1 + 2 and Aerodynamics Expert are completed, I'd certainly toy around with the idea of the rocket skill for 2 points to offer yet another interesting playstyle option, more of a meme build, but lots of fun potential lol. 

 

Some Lighting fun facts. 

 

 

and of course the sound of beautiful warbird IRL! 

 

[GonerNL]

TungstenHitman, on 12 November 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

personally I do get a little bored after a while of the same old rinse and repeat playstyle so I've been running most all my HF's with some ordinance 

 

I run ordnance on most of the heavies. There are a few where the bombs don't add a lot like the Bf109Z and the Japanese heavies, but the Beaufighter and the P-38's can do a lot of damage so I load 'm up.

Some heavies - Mosquito, Me-210 - carry bombs internally so no speed reduction and I always take them along.

Edited by GonerNL, 12 November 2020 - 03:41 PM.

[TungstenHitman]

Yup. There are a few HF's that carry bombs internally for no ordinance penalty at all which is a really nice attribute. I think the T4 Blenheim also features that and also some take a Pylon for significant penalty reduction like the Beaufighter. 

 

So far as Japanese HF's go, I actually carry the bombs on my Ki-102. Some bombs are really bad and not worth bothering with but don't fall into the trap of getting tricked by the bombs weight or it being offered in Kg's instead of Lbs.

 

For example, the P-38 carries two 500lb bombs at 4.3k dmg each while the Ki-102 carries two 250kg bombs. Now, at a glance that might look like the Jap has two weak as F bombs BUT, 250kg is actually 551 lb's so they actually weigh more than the U.S. bombs and actually do a bit more damage too at 4.4k. But regardless of the weight of the bombs, all that needs to be looked at is their damage, combined damage, damage radius and also their reload.

 

Take a look at the T7 Hornet. That upgrades to two 1000lb bombs. Twice as big as the 500lb bombs, great right? Well... unfortunately no. Yes they are twice as heavy and do more damage with a slight bigger damage radius but it's only 6k dmg each when we might have assumed it would do twice the damage of the 500lb bombs and should have done almost 9k dmg each. Plus, those 1000lb bombs have a longer reload so it's definitely worth glancing over the bombs and getting a better understanding of what that "upgrade" actually translates into and if it's worth sticking with the faster loading smaller bombs that aren't much down on damage dealing potential for that faster reload flexibility.