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prawiejakzywiec666 #21 Posted 23 June 2020 - 05:39 AM

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Do not approach T9-10 bombers directly from behind. Do it from the sides, front, above and below. Javelin and HGIII are good for that.


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Ziptop #22 Posted 24 June 2020 - 01:21 AM

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Oddly I've seen a surge in players flying their bombers low even down in the lower tiers. 

 

And you know what? It's actually more effective than you would imagine. 

Sure, I've shot a couple down once I've become aware of their presence but it does take you by surprise in a "what's that shooting at me?" sort of way.

 

If you are busy doing a lot of things at the start of a battle over a key sector it's easy to flash a glance at the mini-map and assume the bomber icon represents something too far away to reach right now...

 

I've been caught by surprise like this a couple of times both by medium low altitude bomber attacks as well as ground hugging bomber attacks.

 

The bomb traps can be quite spectacular too. 

 



Vladinir_Shotitov #23 Posted 24 June 2020 - 03:34 PM

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Yes, mid-tier Heavy Fighter games are no longer a straightforward choice twixt which base to go for followed by a massive climb to catch the bombers - it also means that the bombers have more backup from LF and MR (if they are paying attention) who can keep the heavies off their backs.

 

...I have seen a bomber caught in its own bomb-trap, too - not a trick you want to try and play if your Pe2 is down to about 20% HP and you aren't climbing like a homesick angel.  To their credit, the player on that occasion killed 2 LF/ADA as well as him/herself.


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Killing bombers with LF is possible in T2-8 and with HF it's your job and should be done without big damage for the fighter. I don't know T9-10.

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GonerNL #25 Posted 02 July 2020 - 09:43 AM

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View PostFrateras, on 02 July 2020 - 09:33 AM, said:

 I don't know T9-10.

 

Impossible with the current tier IX-X bomber plague. Their gunners kill your fighter before you get within (your) firing range ... even HF have a hard time.

 

View PostZiptop, on 24 June 2020 - 02:21 AM, said:

Oddly I've seen a surge in players flying their bombers low even down in the lower tiers. 

 

Some of the mid tier bombers are suited for that like the Pe-2's and A-26B.

 


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apartclassic #26 Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:03 AM

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A proper gunship in terms of WoWP would be YB-40 or XB-41. While the former was actually used in combat in ETO (European Theater of Operations) in groups - there were about 11 of them deployed in total, iirc - the latter was used only as a testbed, a single example being constructed. YB was a modified B-17, XB was a modified Liberator. The concept has proven to be uneconomical. The added armament (in case of YB-40 there was room for up to 30 Brownings!) and ammo weight effectively halved the rate of climb, so the gunships took a really long time to group up with the bombers they were supposed to protect. It [the weight] also didn't decrease as much during the mission as dropping the payload did for the regular bombers, which in turn meant that on the return leg of the journey conventional bombers were outrunning their 'escort'.

Most importantly, the whole idea was conceived as a stopgap measure for the lack of long-range escort fighters. When P-47's, and later on P-51's, took on that role in ETO, the reason for gunships' existence was gone. Some of the technical solutions were retained and made their way into later production variants of B-17 (e.g. Bendix remotely operated chin turret), but as a whole the project was deemed unsuccessful.

 

Now, a YB-40 in WoWP... This is tricky... For one, I would consider it to be premium - the plane had no bombs whatsoever (bomb bay was used as ammo storage). Its flight characteristics should be awful (something like B32 with both wings critically damaged and 2 engines out of action). On the other hand, given the unrealistic turret accuracy model we have in WoWP, this would be a nightmare to try to approach in anything but HP-built heavy fighter. I find the idea quite entertaining, and it could be fun, but I don't think the game has room for a godmode bomber like that.


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zen_monk_ #27 Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:07 AM

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View Postapartclassic, on 02 July 2020 - 12:03 PM, said:

...I don't think the game has room for a godmode bomber like that.

 

Oh but they've done it on tiers 9 and 10.


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apartclassic #28 Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:12 AM

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View Postzen_monk_, on 02 July 2020 - 11:07 AM, said:

 

Oh but they've done it on tiers 9 and 10.

 

Still doesn't meant the game has room for it :)


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