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zgubny #21 Posted 06 June 2020 - 10:53 AM

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View Postdreambill, on 06 June 2020 - 08:27 AM, said:

I see no point to allocate time from my life to get a premium plane that is a lot worst than the normal one.

If it was tier IV then maybe worth it

So still no new content in the game for me.

 

I was thinking like you ...

 

 

 

View Postzen_monk_, on 06 June 2020 - 09:49 AM, said:

This plane will not be a dog as it looks at the first glance.

 

That leads me to believe that you can do something about it ...

 If only you could change its paint scheme ... Because we know you as Leonardo da zen monk !

 

I don't know if the 2x20 mm + the turret can perform better than the regular ones and i don't know the paint scheme Wargaming put on this plane , but it won't help us to play it more . 

 

This reminds me the artwork restoration of this Paint , "Ecce Homo" : Behold the Man ( Latin words for Behold the Man, scourged Jesus Christ, bound and crowned with thorns, to a hostile crowd shortly before his Crucifixion ) initially made by Elías García Martínez (1858 - 1934) , totally botched and mangled by an octogenarian woman who received copyright royalties for this crual restoration ... (the church-owned Cope radio station persuaded her to donate the painting as part of its Christmas charity fundraising drive) .

 

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Please zen_monk_ 

 do me a favour , try to do something in order to create the Ecce Homo Exclusive paint scheme for the Bristol Beaufighter V if you have time of course ,

so as to bring good luck and ward off evil from this so special Beaufighter aircraft .

 

  Best regards sincerely .



zen_monk_ #22 Posted 06 June 2020 - 11:23 AM

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Might be doable, once I acquire it.

 

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crzyhawk #24 Posted 06 June 2020 - 05:20 PM

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Looking at the pics, it looks like the turret faces forward which will make the turret guns more useful too.  I'm going to try and grind it out both here and on NA, although it's going to be tough to do it here.  I had to grind out the buffalo and I-17 this morning just so I'd have some planes that qualify (focusing on RAF lies here).  I also had some work done on the 109 lines, but...those won't help me.

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View Postcrzyhawk, on 06 June 2020 - 05:20 PM, said:

Looking at the pics, it looks like the turret faces forward which will make the turret guns more useful too.  I'm going to try and grind it out both here and on NA, although it's going to be tough to do it here.  I had to grind out the buffalo and I-17 this morning just so I'd have some planes that qualify (focusing on RAF lies here).  I also had some work done on the 109 lines, but...those won't help me.

 

Beaufighter (and Blennheim too) turret is a 360 degree one. Placement is irrelevant, on both planes the gunner will shoot at your primary target if there are no other targets behind you.


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View PostFrateras, on 06 June 2020 - 03:33 PM, said:

I better don't play the brits at the weekend. Had to work  hard to compensate the defeats. :kamikaze:

 

Feeling hard true ... my X Ki  without top for some creates against Me 1101 with tops one time 2 in one team -  like hard pain :D 

like compare A5M 3.tier vs BF 109E 5.

 


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View Postzen_monk_, on 06 June 2020 - 08:49 AM, said:

The guns are slightly more powerful than the regular ones, and with slightly longer range. The turret MGs are better than the regulars, much more damage and slightly better range.

 

Yes only two canons compared to the four on the regular one, minus the set of six MGs, but that's on paper. Maybe those two canons will perform the same as the regulars. Maybe even better if they stay cool longer.

 

This plane will not be a dog as it looks at the first glance.

 Hope in to so much :)

mean this will be on top tier faster, with booster and some another open modules fast heavy. 


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Well, both variants of beaufighters are OP at tier 5   :sceptic:

crzyhawk #29 Posted 06 June 2020 - 08:29 PM

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View Postapartclassic, on 06 June 2020 - 05:52 PM, said:

 

Beaufighter (and Blennheim too) turret is a 360 degree one. Placement is irrelevant, on both planes the gunner will shoot at your primary target if there are no other targets behind you.


It's a timing issue.  If the guns face forward, they will be shooting more often.  I realize it's a 360 degree turret, I have spec'd the Beaufighter on NA.  I know how much time is wasted transitioning between the front and the back of the plane, and I know when it breaks LOS for a second it starts to rotate to the back.  Pointed forward is going to be quicker for most offensive purposes.

 

While I do not think this plane will be as good as a tech tree beaufighter, I think that it's going to be better than a quick glance at it's stats indicates.


Edited by crzyhawk, 06 June 2020 - 08:32 PM.

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To break it down, knowing current mechanics - it will be faster than silver Beau (because it doesn't have ordnance), and turn slightly better (because Encyclopaedia shows a slightly better number for it). Guns are shown to be the same, but from external sources and Discord talks over the time we are presuming there will be some variation, to compensate for the sheer loss of salvo weight. Since this is the ex-IM Beau, and the main forte was supposed to be The Guy voicing your reargunner, that's what will presumably make the difference; as zen wrote, more potent turret, with lower range than the Frenchie on t5, but higher DPS/DPM - that is, provided the gunner keeps the LoS, as you pointed out. I think it will be a quirky but fun plane to fly, trading power for agility with the silver one. In any case, since I'm a pack rat and a completionist, I will be glad to have one more plane in my hangar, and one more speccing grind to do (because the bombers are 'no siiireeee' for me, I just can't force myself to specc them). Plus, with my volume of battle played daily, I don't find the reqs particularly high. It's just a t5 prem/special plane, I expect to see lots of them pretty often for the first two-three weeks, and then it will be mostly put aside. New players will like the heavy broadside of a regular Beau more, and being t5 this one won't figure much in dailies for veterans (useless in GT missions having no ordnance, surpassed by firepower for plane-related dailies). Exotic and rarely flown in a month or two. Not that I'm complaining, not at all - it's just when compared e.g. with Vampire (also available through a marathon), this one is a lot less powerful and impactful tier-for-tier.

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View Postapartclassic, on 06 June 2020 - 10:15 PM, said:

New players will like the heavy broadside of a regular Beau more

 

Hey, the veterans are not squeamish too.

 

View Postapartclassic, on 06 June 2020 - 10:15 PM, said:

 Guns are shown to be the same, but from external sources and Discord talks over the time we are presuming there will be some variation, to compensate for the sheer loss of salvo weight.

 

They are not the same, mate. The new ones are special for that plane only, Mk II, a bit more powerful (90 instead of 80) and a bit longer range than the regular. Meaning all sorts of compensations will pass - for example, "while the regular Beau shoots with a huuuge dispersion of all those guns/mg's, here we will laser-pinpoint these two to give almost exact damage effect on the target." All kinds of tweaking might go, disproportional to the mere specs on paper. Also, bring in the gung-ho turret. IM guy left, but his oh-so-special turret stayed, with quite more punch than the regular one. Add a bit more agility in that turret, quicker stock reaction as IM guy prolly asked, and this plane just might turn out to be a nasty one.

 


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crzyhawk #32 Posted 06 June 2020 - 10:53 PM

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For me, the benefit comes in that on EU I am completely FTP.  Silver...is always a problem for me.  I spend it buying new airplanes and training new pilots to 90% faster than my poor Spit Ia can farm it.  Another benefit is pilot trainer.  One of the major reasons I am focusing on RAF lines on EU, is that I got a Spit Ia and type 224 from codes, and I can get a Vampire from missions. That makes training pilots on a limited, free to play basis much easier.  Having this plane will help me train up those pilots (in lines that I am actually flying), and will give me an actual gunner trainer too.

 

My original plan was to farm this thing up on NA, then try to squeeze in a second one on EU.  I may just focus on farming one here, and trying to squeeze in an NA one after I finish...where I have more resources to throw at the missions.


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View Postzgubny, on 06 June 2020 - 11:53 AM, said:

 

This reminds me the artwork restoration of this Paint , "Ecce Homo" : Behold the Man ( Latin words for Behold the Man, scourged Jesus Christ, bound and crowned with thorns, to a hostile crowd shortly before his Crucifixion ) initially made by Elías García Martínez (1858 - 1934) , totally botched and mangled by an octogenarian woman who received copyright royalties for this crual restoration ... (the church-owned Cope radio station persuaded her to donate the painting as part of its Christmas charity fundraising drive) .

 

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I love that ladies work! (as much as I love this story every time I read it. It still makes me laugh out loud.)

 

I might try my hand at putting this on the side of a plane...



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View PostblindfoId, on 05 June 2020 - 08:26 PM, said:

Missions can be completed in any order - they run simulltaneously. So technically it's not the first stage :)

 

That's not quite true as the missions require different nationalities of aircraft.  You can do them in any order, but not at the same time.



praashek #35 Posted 07 June 2020 - 02:36 PM

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Just a reaction to all the comparisons here to tech-tree-beaufighter; originaly the premium planes were not supposed to be better or at the same power level as their brothers in tech tree ;) they mostly have to offer you different experience.

 

And about the guns; I wonder how fast (or slow) will they overheat (compared to ordinary Beaufighter). They also have better range on the premium one (680 vs 660) and damage per sec (90 vs 80).


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Unbelievable that with all the comments on 'remove the win condition' from missions they now want you to win 30 battles with >5000 points ...

Time to make friends with RNGezus or sacrifice some virgins/goats, whatever is available ... winning is a lottery with the current matchmaking.



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View PostGonerNL, on 07 June 2020 - 02:50 PM, said:

Unbelievable that with all the comments on 'remove the win condition' from missions they now want you to win 30 battles with >5000 points ...

Time to make friends with RNGezus or sacrifice some virgins/goats, whatever is available ... winning is a lottery with the current matchmaking.


Flighting up would probably help with the winning part.


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looks that marathon started

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Yeah, bit early ... was supposed to start this afternoon.

 

From June 8 (13:20 CEST, UTC+2) 


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The IM-Spitfire-Marathon was a walk in the park in comparison.
I have expected some rage here?


 






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