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Ziptop #1 Posted 20 June 2020 - 08:54 AM

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I am sure by now we have all come across this aircraft, you are trying to flip a sector and suddenly the aircraft you are attacking takes no damage. 

 

After some observation of the phenomena I have some thoughts on the matter but first some questions.

 

In your experience...

 

1.   Have you observed this happen with non ADA aircraft?*

2.   Have you observed this happen with neutral (white) ADA?

3.   Have you observed this aircraft taking "slight damage" but nowhere near what is should be taking given your range/guns and what they have normally done with similar aircraft in that same battle?

 

*Regarding this - we are not talking obvious packet loss related issue's where aircraft are warping all over the battle space. 

 

Some observations that I have made. 

 

1.   This does not happen to non ADA enemy aircraft, human OR bots EXCEPT for that instance when the packet loss is so obvious that both your own aircraft and the one you are attacking are clearly not where your client is rendering them. In this case you will likely also witness aircraft including your own warping all over the battle space. 

 

2.   This might not happen to neutral (white) ADA as much if at all. 

 

3.   

a.)   Hits on red ADA are rendered visually and damage does occur, but at a much lower rate.

b.)   Switching to another ADA will result in damage being inflicted as normal. - This is best observed when there is another ADA directly in line of sight and in range, it is possible to switch from the indestructible aircraft and immediately see the effect of your weapons registering as you expect them to.**

 

**In a battle where you have not experienced any other connection and/or network issue's and where every other aircraft you attack registers hits this does not seem like it is a network related issue at all but rather a game mechanic, this seems especially likely given the ability to switch to another ADA and destroy that target as expected. This would suggest not a network issue but that the server has toggled a much higher armor value and or health pool, either by mistake (bug) or on purpose (not a bug)

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that like the "ram bot" mechanic which see's enemy bots and ADA maneuver to ram on purpose this is actually by design, possibly to slow the rate at which a team can flip a sector. 

 

Which is worrying because it implies that the server sometimes decides who flips a sector and when. 

 


Edited by Ziptop, 20 June 2020 - 09:00 AM.


KlausHetti #2 Posted 20 June 2020 - 09:53 AM

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View PostKlausHetti, on 20 June 2020 - 09:53 AM, said:

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Can I share some of that?

 

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Sure .. no prob .. sit down and make yourself comfortable! :popcorn:

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Merkwuerdigliebe #5 Posted 20 June 2020 - 12:49 PM

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View PostZiptop, on 20 June 2020 - 08:54 AM, said:

I am sure by now we have all come across this aircraft, you are trying to flip a sector and suddenly the aircraft you are attacking takes no damage. 

 

After some observation of the phenomena I have some thoughts on the matter but first some questions.

 

In your experience...

 

1.   Have you observed this happen with non ADA aircraft?*

2.   Have you observed this happen with neutral (white) ADA?

3.   Have you observed this aircraft taking "slight damage" but nowhere near what is should be taking given your range/guns and what they have normally done with similar aircraft in that same battle?

 

 

 

1- no

2- can't remember. it usually happens with red ADA, i couldn't tell if also with neutral ADA

3- no, i usually switch target and let others do the job. would be interesting to know if, when flyin in pairs with another human player, he has the same issue with the same ADA at the same moment. Seems to be an issue of the game server not registering hits properly.


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Ziptop #6 Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:22 PM

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View PostMerkwuerdigliebe, on 20 June 2020 - 01:49 PM, said:

Seems to be an issue of the game server not registering hits properly.

 

This is what I thought until recently and I'm open to plausible explanations.

 

However...if this is the case why would my hits NOT register on that particular aircraft but suddenly be perfectly fine on the next aircraft?

Why would we not see this on every other aircraft type?



RoyalFlyingCorps #7 Posted 20 June 2020 - 04:51 PM

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I've definitely experienced this phenomenon, only on red ADA aircraft.  I don't know the answer; my pet theory is that the hit box hasn't been positioned properly.

 


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Vladinir_Shotitov #8 Posted 20 June 2020 - 05:18 PM

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I don't have a recording/video of the occasion, but I wrote here a couple of months ago about being in a team alongside an occasional-forum-participant where, toward the end of a battle, we were both firing at the same red ADA in one of the last red sectors.  Lots of 'flashes' from impacts on the ADA, but no damage seen.  The sector never did flip, but we happened to win that particular match.
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jakub_czyli_ja #9 Posted 20 June 2020 - 05:44 PM

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Happens on both, white and red defense aircrafts.

 

I observe this more often playing on RU server (lag closer to .1s) than on EU (lag .04s), so this may be connected with inaccurate client prediction - client predicts target position that is different than servers computes, so client shows that shots hit, while according to server - they don't, so HP don't drop.

 

I'v seen some cases that after a while, immortal plane just died, like all soaked damage had been applied, but it was really rare.



bug #10 Posted 20 June 2020 - 07:25 PM

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Yep. It is really irritating. I chose to attack other bot if that happens. If I get a lock on the same plane after that, its normal again, not just 1% damage (or something like that) as before.

 

Edit: I cant remember if its red or white, or both. Pretty sure its the first bases I attack, so I say at least white, but as said, not sure.

 


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theOneWithaChatBan #11 Posted 20 June 2020 - 08:09 PM

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yep had this bug  loads of times  even on human aircraft .

this is the

out of sync with sever crap that we have to put up with 

along with gun sight  that goes off

and ground targets that don't show 

and getting kicked off at the start of a battle 



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Server sync problems. I hit planes of all kinds without causing damage almost every day, not only on ADA. After the notorious disconnect after a battle all is fine.

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View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 20 June 2020 - 04:51 PM, said:

I've definitely experienced this phenomenon, only on red ADA aircraft.  I don't know the answer; my pet theory is that the hit box hasn't been positioned properly.

 


It's after the squall line.  I'm pretty sure it's a bug.


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An extremely annoying bug. Happens very often. Glad you took the time to describe it. I gave up long time hopping that anything will be fixed though...

Spuggy #15 Posted 22 June 2020 - 09:01 AM

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This isn't a bug. It's a feature!:hiding:

Glaukenstucken #16 Posted 22 June 2020 - 05:32 PM

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I just figured they were wearing some kind of bullet repellent deodorant.....

Mournfull #17 Posted 23 June 2020 - 12:00 AM

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It happens about 1 in 5 or 6 games to me.

 

As soon as I notice it I shoot something else and if I hit the new target just 1 time I can shoot the "invulnerable" target and damage it after.

 

I think I'ts a bug.






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