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TungstenHitman #1 Posted 11 July 2020 - 09:53 PM

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Hi,

 

So I play both WoT and WoWs(maybe someone from WoT might find this account name familiar)) and thought I'd give this game a go too, just casual(I hope!!). Anyway, I've watched a couple of WoWP vids on YouTube just to get a taste of gameplay etc. Anyway, I guess I've a bit of a soft spot for the more historically iconic WW2 aircraft and so as a noob pretty much clueless to the game I'm really only interested in the fighters right now and just want a BF 109, an FW 190 and possibly a Spitfire, Zero and Mustang later.

 

As it stands, I've had 5 battles to get a feel for the game and have now free xp'd the earliest access of the BF 109 I can which is a tier 4 BF 109 B. Now, I do not plan on flying this aircraft until I grind enough credits to fully equip all of it's top spec modules since I don't really want to fly around in some crappy stock aircraft. So, my questions are as follows.

 

1. Is this game like WoT and WoWs whereby there's a 3 tier MM system but some lower tiers only have a 2 tier MM? And if so what is the highest 2 tier MM?

2. I have seen on a YouTube vid that the German fighters are not the best and cannot turn as well as other fighters. But I really want those 2 mentioned fighters(ones a multirole), are they really THAT inferior?

3. As mentioned, I now have the tier4 BF 109 B. It's the fighter I really wanted(not the B but just the 109 of any sort really). Is this tier4 ok? I am hoping I can stay here and just enjoy and keep upgrading this aircraft and pilot. Is this tier4 offering reasonably competitive and comparable to the tier5 or is the tier4 a lemon and should go really just go to the tier 5 before investing in a proper build? I hope you will say the tier4 is perfectly competitive and no reason not to invest in this aircraft if all I want is to fly a 109. 

4. What tier is considered the credit grinding tier?

 

Thanks in advance guys. I could ask many more questions but I'll just leave it there for now and hopefully someone see's this thread!!



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There are no noob questions, only noob answers.

 

First of all, accept the fact that historical performance versus WoWP performance of the planes are rather loosely connected. This here is arcade, with a heavy emphasis on 'appeal' and 'easy to play'. With that in mind:

1) regular MM has 1 tier bracket, unlike the other titles; you will either be the bottom (mostly), or top tier

2) yes, German line was not build for turning (historical), its forte here is speed/altitude/reliable armament combination; it can turn, but there are other planes more 'turny' than Germans

3) tier 4 is in my opinion one of the worst, because you're playing technological breakpoint (biplanes vs monoplanes) and most of the population is rather new to the game, making basic mistakes, while at the same time you have this tier sprinkled with veterans doing their daily missions; Berta (109B) stands out on this tier, it's one of the best planes there, but needs a specific style to be successful (as in, it is NOT a turner); investing in 109B is a sound choice, for doing missions in period 1

4) game is built rather simply, xp/silver gains increase with each tier (top being tier 9, tier 10 seeing slight decrease in earnings); to grind silver all you need is a premium plane, but if you go and buy a t8 premium right away, prepare to get spanked hard. Like, real hard. The higher you go, the higher the saturation of experienced people

 

Also, in a shameless display of self-promotion, I'd like to direct you to this (and I recommend going through all of the posts): http://forum.worldofwarplanes.eu/index.php?/topic/53513-quickstart-guide-to-2110/


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Vladinir_Shotitov #3 Posted 11 July 2020 - 10:24 PM

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Greetings TH, and welcome to the light side.

 

In order of asking:

1.  The MM is only ever spread over 2 tiers, all the way from the lowest to the highest.  The only time you will see aircraft from more than 1 tier below yours is when people try mixed-tier flights - apartclassic will be along in a moment to explain why this is A Very Bad Thing, both for the flight members and their team.

2.  There are some very good threads buried in this forum about good lines to follow when first starting out, and how to pick aircraft and play-styles which will allow you to develop both your skills and - more importantly, in my opinion - your enjoyment of the game.  The German LF line is - again in my opinion - a VERY good choice for getting to grips with the mechanics of the game, then improving.  Please, PLEASE don't consider rushing up the tiers until you've consolidated your abilities at your current level - if you do, you may get disheartened.

3.  The tier 4 109 is one of my absolute favourites in WoWP, and is one I will go to when everything else is turning into a bag of weasel-poo.  Stick with it, learn to play it to its strengths and you will absolutely love it

.... whoops - I've just seen that apartclassic replied first, hang on while I read that...

...yup, good sensible stuff as always (seriously, follow that link - and some of the discussion therein, to see how longer-established players would like to encourage new-starters to thrive AND enjoy their time here).

4.  Credit-grinding tier?  When you start out, EVERY tier is a grind, and there will be hard choices to make.  Please just take your time, don't be in a massive hurry to progress to the next tier (otherwise you will feel an awful lot of unnecessary pain along the way) and don't be tempted to throw your money at premium aircraft.  In fact, don't be tempted to put real money into this game at all until you've decided if you want to spend loadsa time here.  Best investment for your tokens is premium days; if you have to put actual money in, this is where I'd suggest you get the best return rather than gold, wacky ammo or pretty aeroplanes.

 

Really hope you get to enjoy your time up among the pixelated cumulus - the one big difference between this and the other WG titles is that there are very few places to hide!  There are some, though - and as you spend time learning the ropes you'll find out where and when to stay out of trouble...


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Hey Vladinir, shouldn't it be 'pixelated cumulae'? Just askin'    ;)

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Thanks guys, that was fast.

 

Ok so you think maybe I should stay at a lower tier for a while first? Like tier 1 or 2? You think maybe if I play that tier4 I will get focused and have a hard time or something like that?

 

I will attach a screen shot so you can see where I am at but it's basically just what I got when I downloaded this game today, just a few battles and I THINK this is a premium aircraft so I just rolled with it. I actually like it and it seems strong to play at least that is to say apart from my noob failings letting the aircraft down the aircraft has not let me down lol... and if you look at the top right hand side of the screenshot I might be wrong but I seem to have carried all my free xp over from WoT so I was able to insta-unlock that tier 4 BF 109 and any modules I needed even if the credits have not been there lol.

 

 

Btw I can easily say I am in no rush to race up the tiers. I have over 30k battles in WoT and I know only to well the fail-hard experience that comes with noobs jumping to top tiers thinking it gets easier with higher tiers and better stuff lol. Anyway like I said I am only really interested in the historically iconic early-mid WW2 fighters so nothing higher tier with jet engines etc.

 

p.s. While undeniable a complete WoWP noob, the concept of aircraft dogfights is not all that new to me and I have played other aircraft combat games over the years in which I understand the various ways to lead shots and turn and bank and break etc so it's not going to be a completely hideous learning curve hopefully!!

 

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apartclassic - Strangely enough - no!  Aviation folk in the UK have referred to cloud types using the singular form ever since they adopted Mr Howard's system.

 

TH - that looks like a pretty handy start line-up.  As apartclassic said, your 2 premium aircraft will make more income and generate more XP per battle than the others, so you might want to concentrate on those to begin with.  My first aircraft, after a giveaway from a UK games mag, was the 224.  I know now that it is a seriously-flawed aircraft, just like its real-life original - but it has given me almost as much fun in this game as the 109B.  Owing to the daft way WG insist that tokens have to be earned across all the tier levels, it is considered "seemly" (can't say gentlemanly, as some of the best players in-game have been female) for experienced players only to use tier 4 (leaving 1-3 to the new folk) for the daily-token grind.  Going below that is considered seal-clubbing; you'll quickly identify who the worst exponents/low-lifes of that particular practice might be :sceptic:.  All of which means that my 224 rarely goes out of the hangar these days - sigh.


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Yes, the general premium time/free xp is shared between WoT/WoWP/WoWS on EU server. You will carry over gold and FXP.

 

Yes, you recognized premium plane properly :) If it's golden, it's premium (meaning you can put any pilot from that nation there without retraining for this plane).

 

Don't stay at t1 or t2, not much to learn there. It can rather lead you to some false assumptions, not working on higher tiers and different maps. If anywhere, t4 with your Berta would be better.


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Great, thanks for the help guys!

 

2 premiums right out of the blocks, very nice, regardless of lower tiers it's still very nice to have those and from playing WoT and WoWs I'm familiar with their benefits and their very useful ability to accept a pilot/commander/crew from a tech tree offering so what that means is I can(once I get 100k credits which shouldn't take all that long) retrain a pilot for my new unplayed BF 109 at 90% and just grind him back to 100% along with picking up a few skills maybe while I grind credits and learn the ropes with this T2 fighter. I see the other premium now, a British Type 224 that looks like it's wearing a pair of flared pants lol.



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Right, I confess that I have thoroughly misbehaved today.  Not only did I buy the EF131 after much deliberation, which will have me put on the Naughty Step for at least a week by the rest of my Clan, but I also just took my Type 224 up for a brief spin around the Arctic wastes in a Tier 3/4 battle.  It was everything I remembered - can't climb to save its life, boost which qualifies for the "constant thrust, variable noise" award, but guns which never overheat and the ability to out-turn a spec'd Fw159 and all the Tier 4s on the other side.  OK, it was our side's 109B that won the game (thanks, Mig!) but my trusty 224 came a close 2nd.  Just the sort of game that made me start to enjoy WoWP in the first place - but mustn't get into the habit or I'll deserve to be labelled a 'clubber'.

 

TH, apartclassic is right about Tiers 1 and 2 being very different from higher tiers - but as a means of picking up the 'muscle memory' skills that you need to have to automatically use the right piece of kit/ point the aircraft in the right direction, don't discount the co-ordination lessons and opportunities that the lower tiers bring.  You'll like the Ar80, which is the next logical progression for your required line.


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You will like the 109 B. It's my favourite aircraft at its tier and punches above its weight when up-tiered also. 

 

If you keep a pilot in this and fly regularly enough to have a few skill points on the pilot it will become.your "go to" fighter for Tier 1>4 daily missions.

First piece of equipment to invest in here is a Gunsight. (Also marksman skill form your pilot should be one of your priorities.) 

It's an energy fighter so even though it can turn a bit chose your battles wisely..

(I actually really like the 109 E also but I find it either absolutely dominates or it gets absolutely stomped. Seems to be less middle ground with the E)

 

The Spit. Jack of all trades turn fighter with speed and firepower. You are likely to enjoy any one of them. I favour the T7 one one most, but maybe that is because of the skill level of the pilot in it. 

 

Fw190. These are going to demand a bit of work from you. I fly them but they are hard to recommend. Very much energy fighters and sadly not as fast as they should be. 

 

Maybe not as instantly iconic to those in the west but the Yak-3 is a great little plane.

 

As mentioned above the flight characteristics are more approximation than historically accurate and as it's an arcade type game the flight modelling is what it is....but if you have got as far as the Bf 109 B you will already have worked that out.



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The bonus codes;
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Probably you will be frustrated about the FW 190 up to the specialised D in T7. Don't try to dogfight but try to escape in a straight line. It's easy to climb the tech tree but hard to skill the pilots. You need  as much skill points as the number the tier shows at least. And try the Spitfire to compare. You need information and experience about the other planes and the Spitfire I is the best plane for beginners in T5 I think. The BF 109 is best in T5 as well. I fly it with 11 skill points. T6 is a problem because the had to save 2 Guns because of the weight, There is a premium Spitfire with a DB-605 motor, and the Sakeen-100 which is a rebuild of the BF 109 by 1947, which  was flown by Israel and can be used as a trainer for pilots of any nation. Premiums get 20% pilots XP more. Sometimes there are offers for premiums  with pilots who have 5,6 or 7  skill points already. 

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Ok so you think maybe I should stay at a lower tier for a while first? Like tier 1 or 2? You think maybe if I play that tier4 I will get focused and have a hard time or something like that?

 

Given your familiarity probably you can go a little further, say the mid tiers, quite quickly.  The aircraft start to be noticeably differentiated through those tiers so it would be worth "learning your craft" on different planes at those tiers before heading higher.

 

The Bf 109B is the best of the Bf 109s, almost overpowered at tier 4.  However, since 70% of your battles will be at tier 5, it won't feel overpowered.  It won't feel outclassed either if you play it as a "high energy" fighter, which broadly means keeping it fast, keeping it high, staying off the flaps as much as possible and not turn fighting with Yak-1s, Spitfires or any Japanese fighter.  You'll learn when to trade energy for speed in, say, a diving attack and to use boost to fly away and look for other victims.  The next Bf 109, the 'E', is nearly as good, the 'F' at tier 6 is serviceable and the 'G' at tier 7 pretty mediocre, though not unusable.



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View Postapartclassic, on 11 July 2020 - 11:02 PM, said:

Yes, the general premium time/free xp is shared between WoT/WoWP/WoWS on EU server. You will carry over gold and FXP.

 

That's not quite right, I believe.

 

Gold, free experience and the standard premium time are shared with WoT.  Only the standard premium time is shared with WoWS.  Probably it's worth mentioning that you'll earn free experience at about 6-7 times the rate of that in WoT when you play WoWP if you have a premium account.  I'm sitting at 5.7 million free experience and I've spent 2.3 million in WoT within the last two years.  Others who have played the game longer have even more free experience.



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Dammned, I newer knew that the T4 BF is better than the T5 one. I think that's a rumour. But you're right with dogfights as long as the pilot got not all the skills and the machine not all the extensions for maneuverability and a focused fire. 

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View PostFrateras, on 12 July 2020 - 01:15 PM, said:

Dammned, I newer knew that the T4 BF is better than the T5 one. 

 

I think on paper the 109 E is probably better than the 109 B, but the tier spread it faces, along with increased numbers of really experienced players means it faces a few more challenges than the 109 B

When I fly the 109 E it feels like the stronger aircraft, but when I look at my stats for the 109 E it seems to have less success than the 109 B

 

Both are good aircraft and I love them both and indeed with experienced pilots and the appropriate skills and equipment they get better. They both have a permanent place in my hangar.



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Thanks guys.

 

I by the sound of it I guess I'll give the Fw 190 a miss, maybe buy it for some hanger "eye candy" at some point. It doesn't sound like my cup of tea and not what I downloaded the game to do. I don't feel to bad about that anyway since it's the Bf 109 that's the more historically iconic fighter, the one I was really looking to get and looking at your comments the tier4 "B" offering is pretty good so I can be happy with that. Since I have a UK premium fighter I guess it also kinda makes sense to invest in this line of fighters too and besides, the Spitfire was another iconic fighter I had my eye on before I downloaded this game too so all good there and a nice contrast of style by the sound of it.

 

Today I've retrained the Ar 67 pilot into my Bf 109 with credits which dropped him to 90% trained. I then put him back into the premium Ar 67 hoping to train him back up to 100% again but after a good xp haul win, he remained at 90% so am I correct in thinking that unfortunately a premium aircraft does not do that and that? So I put him back into his Bf 109 and played 4 battles which then restored him to 100% and it gave me a chance to get a feel for the Bf 109 although it was probably skewed a little bit by not having a 100% pilot.

 

Still, it was great to have to be flying this iconic WW2 fighter on my screen in and it's yellow wing tips, nose and tail camo :). Nothing amazing so far obviously, won some lost some but a lot to learn. 

 

Btw, a few more quick question if you guys wouldn't mind and I know I can watch some vids and read a few helpful threads too. Oh and sadly the codes don't work, hope I didn't miss anything nice.

 

1. Was I correct in assuming a premium aircraft will not restore my Pilot from 90% back to 100%? If not, then why did his training not move after a pretty decent xp win in the T2 premium and yet his training jumped to 94% with just one battle in the non-premium Bf 109 before I even had camo or anything on it?

 

2. This is a quick battle related question. What is strategically the best type of facility to capture first and the next most important etc?

 

3. So far as winning the battle goes, Is it better to try and defend the facilities we capture or just immediately move onto the next base and try to capture it, try and just capture as many as we can as fast as we can non-stop?

 

4. I player recommended that I get the Yak-7 saying it's got OP derp guns. It's well known in WoT and WoWs that there is a dose of Russian bias, is it the same in WoWp? Are Russian aircraft the best at everything too lol?

 

5. Daily Missions. Am I correct in assuming these must be completed in order whereby the first mission must be completed before the next mission can be attempted?

 

6.  I'm happy to stick around T2-T4 and maybe T5 at some point(just for an iconic aircraft or two not available at T4)) and I guess at some stage I will become interested in completing some campaigns and missions that require dropping a bomb on a target or whatever, something a fighter can't do(at least the one I currently have can't drop a bomb lol). Is there some really stand out aircraft at T2-T4 that are just really good at doing what their role is and worth picking up?

 

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Premium planes train all pilots from that nation, from all types of planes, but pilots must be 100% proficient for his plane. Only then the true training on premium planes starts.

 

So you did the right thing. When transferring pilot from one tech-tree plane to other, retrain for that plane to 90% for silver, play a couple of games to gain 100% proficiency and then freely move him to all the premium planes of that nation.

 

 

All this and many more explained detailed here

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View PostTungstenHitman, on 12 July 2020 - 03:52 PM, said:

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Re your questions:

1) pilot has to have 100% profficiency with his plane before the xp on premium can take effect

2) in general: rocket base > command centre > mining plant > airfield/garrison (but opinions and maps vary, some maps force you to prioritize certain sectors; the type of the plane you're in is also important)

3) depending on map and plane flown, but you'd be better off adjusting flexibly, depending on the battle's flow

4) there is a certain degree of 'balans' here indeed, but one can not say Russian/Soviet is always OP; full Soviet tree in WoWP was introduced pretty late, so the planes were balanced against already existing ones; Yak-7 does seem to be popular with some statpadding types, the gun is indeed derpy

5) not correct; daily missions can be done in any order, in any period you choose; once started, there is no time limit - if not started, they will reset on the server's restart and give you a new one

6) indeed, no fighter in the current iteration has bombs (but they used to, long ago - Zero had one, as an example); nothing really stands out in low tiers - you can make almost anything work, within the plane's limitations, it's a lot about personal choice (but due to low proficiency on those tiers and relative noobness of players there, turning ability and firepower are the dominating criteria) disclaimer: I won't give plane suggestions, I'm not a good reference for that


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Thanks and @apart I had gone to your thread link and found a lot of the answers to those questions there a little earlier, good thread.

 

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