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[Virium]

BravelyRanAway, on 02 December 2020 - 08:18 PM, said:

You can look up you WR in each plane, if you search for your name on this page...... https://clans.worldofwarplanes.eu/wowp/search/#wgsearch&search=GonerNL&type=accounts&limit=10&accounts-battle_type=default 

Hopefully, you can see that page.

Thank you for posting this.. now I can go see my own performance - except I seem to have gone missing - lol.. I get an "no player matching that name found" message.

Damn I´m going to miss me!!

[zen_monk_]

Virium, on 02 December 2020 - 09:32 PM, said:

it doesn´t tell me whether I can set it up to the point where I can "out-cruise" the Me109 (un-specialized).

 

This config of mine is for turning, not speeding. Be cautious, wait for Me 109 to come low and then ravage him.

[GonerNL]

Virium, on 02 December 2020 - 09:32 PM, said:

Since the Airspeed number is a combination of cruise/boost/dive speed, it doesn´t tell me whether I can set it up to the point where I can "out-cruise" the Me109 (un-specialized). 

 

Mine is still stock, with only improved polished skin, uprated engine and aerodynamics skill. 

 

 

So cruise is better than the 109B, but boost and dive are just a bit less.

Edited by GonerNL, 02 December 2020 - 08:55 PM.

[zen_monk_]

GonerNL, on 02 December 2020 - 09:50 PM, said:

 

Mine is still stock, with only improved polished skin, uprated engine and aerodynamics skill.

 

 

 

...and that's where you're wrong. This plane is not fast nor will ever be fast enough to run away from danger. Instead, go for agility all the way, play smart, stay on the deck, position yourself well and obliterate all the fast/high flyers when they come on the deck.

 

You are not here to run away.

[Virium]

GonerNL, on 02 December 2020 - 08:50 PM, said:

 

Mine is still stock, with only improved polished skin, uprated engine and aerodynamics skill. 

 

 

So cruise is better than the 109B, but boost and dive are just a bit less.

Thank you - this was useful info.

The Me109B has base cruise around 350 and boost speed of 540.. neither can be improved much before it´s specialized since it only has a slot for a gunsight.

With your cruise speed at 405 there should be an opportunity to "ravage him" as you put it - lol

[GonerNL]

Virium, on 02 December 2020 - 10:03 PM, said:

With your cruise speed at 405 there should be an opportunity to "ravage him" as you put it - lol

 

I don't think I ever used the word "ravage" ... 

But I put more trust in speed than maneuverability. I've got the XF4F on 2 accounts and speed just seems to work better so far.

[Virium]

GonerNL, on 02 December 2020 - 09:09 PM, said:

 

I don't think I ever used the word "ravage" ... 

But I put more trust in speed than maneuverability. I've got the XF4F on 2 accounts and speed just seems to work better so far.

Correct.. my mistake - somehow I got your words confused with those of Zen_Monk who wrote the "ravage" part..

I like the MG-armed fighters - less worry about overheating the guns and who doesn¨t like spraying bullets around.. lol

I just might buy it and try out both speed / maneuverability set-ups to see what works best for me.

Dank je wel for your replies (I´m assuming the NL-part of your name means that you´re Dutch) - see you in the skyes!

[0berhessen]

Virium, on 02 December 2020 - 08:39 PM, said:

Thank you for posting this.. now I can go see my own performance - except I seem to have gone missing - lol.. I get an "no player matching that name found" message.

Damn I´m going to miss me!!

did you change your username recently?

[Virium]

0berhessen, on 03 December 2020 - 08:31 AM, said:

did you change your username recently?

Nope.. I used the same name/account (..due to gold and free xp) when I abandoned WoT, so only this name has existed on WoWP..

[Mournfull]

I won one of these from a can ages ago.

 

Same speed with slightly less maneuverability than the tech tree P-36, which can go half as high again and it has weaker guns to boot!

 

Why would I use it over the p-36?

[0berhessen]

Virium, on 03 December 2020 - 08:41 AM, said:

Nope.. I used the same name/account (..due to gold and free xp) when I abandoned WoT, so only this name has existed on WoWP..

strange, i really cannot find you, its maybe you have to join a clan to see this stats?

[ASharpPencil]

There is no much love between me and WG, but this is 1 good airframe... 

[GonerNL]

0berhessen, on 07 December 2020 - 08:39 AM, said:

strange, i really cannot find you, its maybe you have to join a clan to see this stats?

 

No, I've never been in a clan and I can see my stats (and yours). But Virium is not found there ...

His profile is on the Community tab though.

[TungstenHitman]

Stats read really bad. It has one of the worst turning times of any T4 fighter, doesn't roll particularly well either to compensate, doesn't have any cannons to at least maybe put in a crit on a tail or wing to negate that trashy turning, stall speed is poor, climb is average and it's service ceiling is a pretty tragic 1000 meters given it's dogfighting limitations so.... ya, what is the point of this thing? Must be the MOST fun ever getting targeted by a Spit or anything else it can't do anything about lol. To say it shouldn't get into fights is laughable when it doesn't have the altitude performance to do anything else and so to say avoid a Spitfire or anything else that can out-turn it which is practically every other fighter is basically suggesting to avoid everywhere on the map with other fighters and just focus something even more tragically gimped that your airplane which is kinda sad since this is a fighter too lol.

 

Comparing it to a 109 B? I haven't played the XF4F-3 but I have played the 109 B is one of the best T4 fighters so I'm gonna say that's unlikely. We can already see the 109 B out climbs, out turns, out rolls and can fly as high as it ever needs to for the tiers it fights in, so before we mention the 109's superior 20mm hub cannon and two centrally mounted machine guns all shooting straight down the middle at the target we can see that the 109 B is simply a better airframe all areas that count. The XF4F-3 looks like one of those sort of airplanes that relies on the enemy being distracted or ignoring you or really poor players rather than actually being something that can be confidently implemented in an aggressive and forceful way. Any bad airplane can be made to work with that "opportunistic keen awareness support ambusher" approach but ultimately whenever an enemy plane targets you, there's nothing in your airplanes ability to do anything about it and you die every time, that's not a fun playstyle imo and it's reliant on being ignored and a few teammates to get the job done elsewhere on the map. 

[GonerNL]

TungstenHitman, on 07 December 2020 - 04:13 PM, said:

ya, what is the point of this thing? 

 

The point is to not only look at the stats but just try it. And every other plane that looks bad or people call bad.

Otherwise I'd be flying only Spits and Messers etc ... pretty boring.

I just got it on the CIS server and average almost 3 kills p/sortie. I'm a very mediocre pilot and I enjoy flying it, so I guess good pilots can really make this plane work.

[TungstenHitman]

GonerNL, on 07 December 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

 

The point is to not only look at the stats but just try it. And every other plane that looks bad or people call bad.

Otherwise I'd be flying only Spits and Messers etc ... pretty boring.

I just got it on the CIS server and average almost 3 kills p/sortie. I'm a very mediocre pilot and I enjoy flying it, so I guess good pilots can really make this plane work.

 

I find there's enough scope and contrasting playstyles in other strong aircraft not to have to tolerate or force playing a crappy airplane just for the sake of change. There's strong fighters, MR's, HF's, Bombers and even GA's which all have contrasting styles along with contrasting styles within each class and a change of styles throughout the tiers too. So while I get your point, the fact is that if a player ever gets bored of playing the same strong airplane they can always play a totally different offering and playstyle yet still be playing another strong airplane. No need to take on a useless pile of cow dung lol.(Maybe its not useless but it's stats read bad to me)

[Shiafa]

it's a relic, good for relic-hunters ... i did use it in the past, cant remember spits being any problem at all (well, simply not available at that time) plus this was in player only fights. we are talking of early 1.0 WOWP Game here, its a pretty old design.  wasnt a super machine then, but was premium, so useful for crewtraining.

 

problem nowadays ist lack of interest in evolving the game from WG - and bringing back old jewel without any finetuning or adjustments in basics of an old aircraft results in this offer ... (insert 3x facepalm icon of choice here)

Edited by Shiafa, 07 December 2020 - 04:20 PM.

[Grison_SE]

TungstenHitman, on 07 December 2020 - 03:13 PM, said:

Stats read really bad. It has one of the worst turning times of any T4 fighter, doesn't roll particularly well either to compensate, doesn't have any cannons to at least maybe put in a crit on a tail or wing to negate that trashy turning, stall speed is poor, climb is average and it's service ceiling is a pretty tragic 1000 meters given it's dogfighting limitations so.... ya, what is the point of this thing? Must be the MOST fun ever getting targeted by a Spit or anything else it can't do anything about lol. To say it shouldn't get into fights is laughable when it doesn't have the altitude performance to do anything else and so to say avoid a Spitfire or anything else that can out-turn it which is practically every other fighter is basically suggesting to avoid everywhere on the map with other fighters and just focus something even more tragically gimped that your airplane which is kinda sad since this is a fighter too lol.

 

Comparing it to a 109 B? I haven't played the XF4F-3 but I have played the 109 B is one of the best T4 fighters so I'm gonna say that's unlikely. We can already see the 109 B out climbs, out turns, out rolls and can fly as high as it ever needs to for the tiers it fights in, so before we mention the 109's superior 20mm hub cannon and two centrally mounted machine guns all shooting straight down the middle at the target we can see that the 109 B is simply a better airframe all areas that count. The XF4F-3 looks like one of those sort of airplanes that relies on the enemy being distracted or ignoring you or really poor players rather than actually being something that can be confidently implemented in an aggressive and forceful way. Any bad airplane can be made to work with that "opportunistic keen awareness support ambusher" approach but ultimately whenever an enemy plane targets you, there's nothing in your airplanes ability to do anything about it and you die every time, that's not a fun playstyle imo and it's reliant on being ignored and a few teammates to get the job done elsewhere on the map. 

 

It's not useless, this was a downtiered battle too.

[TungstenHitman]

I didn't say it was useless I said it's stats read bad to me and they do and they are when held against other fighters of it's tier. It takes more than one cherry picked battle to make a good fighter. Anyone can have a good battle in any aircraft, means nothing, just one battle. Your overall winrate with this fighter as of this post is a negative figure, that's the bigger picture.

 

If you'd like to outline where this aircraft is strong or areas where this fighter is stronger than other T4 fighters instead of a fake news screenshot, then maybe we can actually get an insightful overview of why this fighter is worth bothering with and any possible soft stats it might have which remedy it's almost worst in class general stats in most areas.

 

Edited by TungstenHitman, 08 December 2020 - 09:33 AM.

[GonerNL]

TungstenHitman, on 08 December 2020 - 10:31 AM, said:

Your overall winrate with this fighter as of this post is a negative figure, that's the bigger picture.

 

Winrate has noting to do with the plane. Winning/losing is a lottery, you can lose in any plane ... I know I can