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[apartclassic]

TungstenHitman, on 10 December 2020 - 05:18 PM, said:

 

(...) some gold spamming (...)

 

This. If you really think this is an important and valid point, it only means your opinions about WoWP are set (in gold, if you will allow a slight pun) and nothing is going to change them. in that case I am hard-pressed to see the point in answering your questions or trying to explain anything.

And I'm still chuckling, ten minutes later. 'Gold spamming' in 2020 WoWP - such a novel concept. Thanks for cheering me up.

Edited by apartclassic, Today, 05:55 PM.

[zen_monk_]

RoyalFlyingCorps, on 10 December 2020 - 04:45 PM, said:

Sometimes it's better to keep quiet and by doing so not confirm that one is an idiot, they say.

 

A good one sire. Unfortunately it will pass unheeded.

 

The need to spam walls of nonsense is overpowering.

 

 

Edited by zen_monk_, Today, 06:09 PM.

[TungstenHitman]

apartclassic, on 10 December 2020 - 05:55 PM, said:

 

This. If you really think this is an important and valid point, it only means your opinions about WoWP are set (in gold, if you will allow a slight pun) and nothing is going to change them. in that case I am hard-pressed to see the point in answering your questions or trying to explain anything.

And I'm still chuckling, ten minutes later. 'Gold spamming' in 2020 WoWP - such a novel concept. Thanks for cheering me up.

 

Ya its right up there with celebrating glorious battles with a tier 3 Skua. Let's also look beyond the fact you never actually explaining why the XF5F-3 is a good fighter worth bothering with. 

[apartclassic]

TungstenHitman, on 10 December 2020 - 06:09 PM, said:

 

Ya its right up there with celebrating glorious battles with a tier 3 Skua. Let's also look beyond the fact you never actually explaining why the XF5F-3 is a good fighter worth bothering with. 

 

I was called by someone who had and continues to have much more valuable input on the forum than you, sorry to say. That's why there is a quote in my post, you know. Someone who, I should add, never ever insulted any other player on the forum, nor resorted to vocabulary I don't really fancy.

Why should anything be explained to you? You have your reference points set and your favourite planes named - enjoy them, 109's are a great line without a doubt. Bear in mind though that comparing every other plane to that particular class - which was a mainstay for the core design of the game, where vertical BnZ basically trumped everything else - is not the most accurate tool to judge other types and classes. If you don't like some plane, don't ask others to make you like it. Either you decide to give it a go and take the risk, or you don't. YMMV.

Edited by apartclassic, Today, 06:22 PM.

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TungstenHitman, on 10 December 2020 - 07:09 PM, said:

 

 Let's also look beyond the fact you never actually explaining why the XF5F-3 is a good fighter worth bothering with. 

 

So you would compare it with a known OP regular padders-favorite plane?

 

See, you're still missing a point. It starts with a letter P.

[hardy9z9]

Unbelievable and for me incomprehensible why this extremely mediocre premiumoffer has earned so much attention. More than 60 posts !
This thread was only created by WoWp for the sale of a plane from the scrap recycling.
Only top pilots are able to do with it some hardly useful performance in this game.

But these pilots don't care what they fly with. You could put them in a flying flour sack and they would still make an average of half a dozen kills.

Edited by hardy9z9, Today, 06:49 PM.

[TungstenHitman]

apartclassic, on 10 December 2020 - 06:22 PM, said:

 

I was called by someone who had and continues to have much more valuable input on the forum than you, sorry to say. That's why there is a quote in my post, you know. Someone who, I should add, never ever insulted any other player on the forum, nor resorted to vocabulary I don't really fancy.

Why should anything be explained to you? You have your reference points set and your favourite planes named - enjoy them, 109's are a great line without a doubt. Bear in mind though that comparing every other plane to that particular class - which was a mainstay for the core design of the game, where vertical BnZ basically trumped everything else - is not the most accurate tool to judge other types and classes. If you don't like some plane, don't ask others to make you like it. Either you decide to give it a go and take the risk, or you don't. YMMV.

 

In other words you don't have an answer for what makes this XF5F-3 a good fighter. If we go back to my original post I basically said it's stats read as a really bad light fighter, worst turning time, average roll and low alt potential compared to all other fighters of its tier and what I got was people saying it was played for the challenge, or playing strong planes is boring, or they don't care about win rates, all points totally non-applicable to the question of what makes this airplane a good fighter and you yourself posted some winrate screenshot which again one can only assume was nothing more than to contradict my gripes about wondering what made this really average-poor looking fighter a good fighter in other players eyes and just like them, including now, you can't answer it and go off in some other besides the point comment about this and that. 

 

The first page has comments from players that have it saying its not good, the base stats would suggest its not good(as a fighter vs other fighters) and so far, for all the bs and insults and any other non-related tripe, nobody has explained why this airplane is a good fighter and going back to my original comment, I am still genuinely interested to know but like I said, nobody has the answer and its not because of me, or this or that, they just don't have an answer so I can only assume it therefore isn't. The only answers given, as mentioned, was that they enjoy a challenge or find playing strong airplanes boring or don't care about winning, all points that would not suggest its a good airplane and totally suggest its average to weak. It was up there with your post showing its winrate, how is that an insightful breakdown? Showing a winrate thats about the same as your overall winrate? In a tier 4 where arguably you should have a higher winrate than your average? So again, since it was a nothing post, can only read into it as you basically saying its an average fighter? Since the winrate is about average with your overall winarate and bordering on the low side given its low tier. Gotcha. 

[TungstenHitman]

hardy9z9, on 10 December 2020 - 06:30 PM, said:

Unbelievable and for me incomprehensible why this extremely mediocre premiumoffer has earned so much attention. More than 60 posts !
This thread was only created by WoWp for the sale of a plane from the scrap recycling.
Only top pilots are able to do with it some hardly useful performance in this game.

But these pilots don't care what they fly with. You could put them in a flying flour sack and they would still make an average of half a dozen kills.

 

Words of sense mate. Most likely wasted here though and I don't think it's even about that tbh. This is more of a case of me making a statement that its base stats read as one of the worst in T4 so far as a light fighter goes, which is a true and factual statement, and people responding to that by saying that statement is not true though with no actual answers given as to why its not a bad-average fighter and that's all it is when you actually trim away most of these pages.... and they still haven't answer why its not an average to bad fighter, I'd call all this just a load of "bollox" as the vocabulary saint apartclassic would say. My only interest was as a potential buy to go with my Airabonita and other small collection of US aircraft but I ain't gonna buy some piece of shhh no matter how cheap it is so wanted to know it was actually good and why its good. 

Edited by TungstenHitman, Today, 07:04 PM.

[apartclassic]

TungstenHitman, on 08 December 2020 - 11:07 AM, said:

 

I would say the win rates on lower tiers are more insightful by way of the fact it only takes a few battles to unlock all their modules and it's faster to specialized them and cheaper to upgrade them so we can say that 100 battles is probably a pretty decent sample size but with higher tiers the win rate might me slightly obscured because it takes a lot of battles to elite the aircraft therefore it's not been flown in it's best offering and it will take many more battles to unlock it's specialized status so it will be down on equipment and consumable slots therefore a larger sample size is probably needed to paint a more accurate picture into an airplanes performance and rinse away all those bad battles in weak offerings of these airplanes. 

 

Now you understand why I gave a sample of 135 battles?

 

As for comparing 109 and XF4F - this is your 109B (262 battles, 612 sorties):

 

 

And this is my XF4F (135 battles, 222 sorties):

 

 

You seem to like numbers and comparing them, so do extrapolate the numbers and make a comparison. Yes, it's not the best LF on its tier. Yes, it can carry. Yes, it can do its job pretty well. Yes, it's important what fights you pick in it. As with every other plane in WoWP. YMMV.

Edited by apartclassic, Today, 07:22 PM.