←  Suggestions

Main page

»

DISTINCTION BETWEEN BOTS AND PLAYER'S...

Poll: WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH AT FIRST GLANCE IF AN AIRCRAFT IS IN CONTROL OF A BOT OR A PLAYER? (12 )

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH AT FIRST GLANCE IF AN AIRCRAFT IS IN CONTROL OF A BOT OR A PLAYER?

  1. YES (8 [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  2. NO (4 [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

DO YOU PREFER THE NICKNAME OR THE VISUALS IN BATTLE TO BE MARKED(LIKE ADDING SOMETHING TO THE SYMBOL OF THE PLANE TIPE)?

  1. NICKNAME (3 [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  2. SYMBOL (4 [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. BOTH (7 [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

Vote Guests cannot vote

zen_monk_'s Photo zen_monk_ 01 Mar 2021

View PostArcouda, on 01 March 2021 - 05:45 PM, said:

 Sure, if you can get into a turnfight with a 1101 without wings or the tail being damaged you'll most likely win but the fact remains those guns are greatly superior to those on other tier 10s.

 

View PostRoyalFlyingCorps, on 01 March 2021 - 06:01 PM, said:

It doesn't have to be a turn fight.  A Sabre can run down a Me P.1101 as well.  Basically, if the latter doesn't catch the Sabre in a low energy configuration or busy doing something else, the Sabre has the advantage in all respects except firepower.  It's one enemy fighter the Me P.1101 has either to approach with extreme caution or not approach at all.

 

I have them both.

 

In a dogfight where both pilots know what they are doing, Sabre simply wipes the floor with 1101. No contest, proven many many times against good 1101 pilots.  Where 1101 shines, though, is great firepower that enables it to massacre all other classes much easier than a Sabre will.

 

Quote

Mad_Propellerhead's Photo Mad_Propellerhead 01 Mar 2021

It's funny you're idea existed to the good old 1.9 time. The bots have been marked on their level, player's 2, and you can see that he is a single or clan player. Was a little helpful, but not essential.

shot-019.jpg

Quote

Arcouda's Photo Arcouda 01 Mar 2021

I remember the bots being marked, as you say it didn't really change gameplay for me either.
Quote

prawiejakzywiec666's Photo prawiejakzywiec666 02 Mar 2021

View PostArcouda, on 28 February 2021 - 03:19 PM, said:

The Hawker Hunter is in my opinion an average plane. 

 

At tier 10, the best plane by far is the Me P1101. The only other planes that stand a chance against it are things that outmaneuver it, like Yak 30s. A specialised P1101 can fly at 1000km/h, turn in close to 9 seconds without the turning consumable and has obscene firepower. My P1101 has gas operated barrels on and it just tears through everything. Even an IL40P stands no chance.

 

For this reason, anything that doesn't turn faster that the 1101 is pretty bad at tier 10. 

Me P1101 is just a Spitfire on X tier - everybody can fly it because it is very easy to handle and has the easiest guns to use (4x20mm).

Do not be mistaken that it is the best plane on X tier because it depends on situation and your opponents.

Quote

TungstenHitman's Photo TungstenHitman 02 Mar 2021

I don't see that making any positive addition or much difference tbh.

 

As Zgub said, you can just scroll down through the team composition during the countdown and right click on "suspicious" names that are most likely a human player plus there's the really obvious specialized aircraft icon that only human players have as an aircraft option but regardless of this you can simply press the left tab button during battle once you are within a certain range of a target to see who and what it is.

There's also generally only a few of each airplane class per team and so in conjunction with the use of the left tab and left alt key and glancing at your minimap, you can somewhat easily deduce what's most likely the target in your vicinity with plenty of notice.

 

Also, as Apart alluded too, bots all have somewhat predictable names. Their names always start with uppercase letter, are generally short names and generally very repetitive. By contrast, human names tend to stand out a lot more and if they start with lower case, several words or "parts", feature numbers or symbols etc, are obvious human players. So even human players with stock aircraft tend to stand out as obvious although you may encounter perhaps some rerole player that purposefully called his account name "Frank" or some other typical bot name to try and blend in as a bot BUT, this would really limit him to using stock aircraft so a bit of a pointless thing to do other than perhaps for some tier 1-2 clubbing or something like that, but he would still get smashed whenever an experienced player with a specialized aircraft visits this tier for some P1 mission.

 

Other than that, I feel placing too much emphasis highlighting human players as being a bad thing. It may manifest into player focusing, more so than what perhaps already exists when you get a flight of players that identify a human player... and also perhaps it can have a negative effect whereby players may stupidly chase the human player around the map, completely ignoring the fact that they are losing sectors to bots and ultimately losing the battle... all just to kill that human player who at that moment, was not a priority target and indeed may not have offered any threat at all, maybe a bad player, who knows... point being, human players shouldn't be highlighted any more than they already are to become something like that.

 

Arguably even the specialized aircraft icon is a negative inclusion and a point of player focusing since only human players will have specialized aircraft. Thankfully if you are experienced and your aircraft is strong, it shouldn't really be a big problem but it's food for thought and so far as I'm aware was a hot topic of debate and controversy long since before I started playing. So no, I don't think any more additions that highlight bot and human players would be a good thing. 


Edited by TungstenHitman, 02 March 2021 - 09:21 AM.
Quote

Old_But_TaFF's Photo Old_But_TaFF 02 Mar 2021

View PostTungstenHitman, on 02 March 2021 - 07:20 AM, said:

I Arguably even the specialized aircraft icon is a negative inclusion and a point of player focusing since only human players will have specialized aircraft. 

You have fully right with this its the same as former the Hryunomod as you can see in the picture of Mad. Players have different colors  to ratings, which led to the constant focus of the Enemy Players. I think its insignificant, most players are no better than bot's. So I don't see an advantage as i to know ho ist Human or Bot. 

Quote

TungstenHitman's Photo TungstenHitman 02 Mar 2021

View PostOld_But_TaFF, on 02 March 2021 - 11:26 AM, said:

You have fully right with this its the same as former the Hryunomod as you can see in the picture of Mad. Players have different colors  to ratings, which led to the constant focus of the Enemy Players. I think its insignificant, most players are no better than bot's. So I don't see an advantage as i to know ho ist Human or Bot. 

 

You mean the displayed specialization status on such aircraft? You're correct, insignificant probably most the time and especially within this game with so few human players per team. Ironically if this game featured battles comprised entirely of human players, I suspect that both teams would be comprised almost entirely of specialized aircraft, at least from say.... T4 upwards. In fact, the opposite gripe would be true whereby it would be unfair on the player with stock aircraft to be shown without a specialized status because it would just be focused as an easy target lol. 

 

Thing about this game, is because of its small player pool, we don't need some form of XVM or highlighting etc, we kinda already know who the good players are and who are not, we simply fight each other or are teamed with each other regularly... makes that "which forum members have you seen in battle" thread a joke, because we see each other every other battle practically lol. So if there is focusing in this game, it's almost purely because we know each other due to a small playerbase and these era crossovers tending to be the same tiers we play too, it's inevitable. Therefore removing the specialized aircraft status may reduce some of that, but ultimately an experienced player will be tapping his tab key anyway, along with the left alt key to glance the minimap and see it it's the class of aircraft the human players are using before they even take a look at the actual aircraft and playername itself.

 

I'm not sure if player focusing is much of a thing in this game, certainly it makes sense to police and shut down any good player on the enemy team because good players simply tend to consistently deliver good results while bad players and bots don't tend to... so when you effectively shut down the strong player/players from the enemy team, the rest of his team will wilt and fade away, bumbling about ineffectively as always. You might think this focusing would create openings elsewhere on the map for other players to exploit and punish, which it does, but another important factor in this game is not even so much about focusing a player, but the winning and controlling of the stragically important sectors or just keeping the sector count positive. So the only form of focusing I would encounter would be purely contained within that brief dispute over a sector, certainly not chasing one player across the map all battle long.

 

If focusing was a thing in this game, then for reasons mentioned with its small playerbase and us knowing each other so well at this point, we would actually need not just a specialized aircraft status removed but also some sort of anonymizer too. For the reasons just mentioned, map control, sector priority etc I don't think focusing is a problem in this game though, others may disagree of course and maybe they have good reason too. The main issue in this game is the power flights whereby two really experienced players form a flight with two really tier strong aircraft, even staggered tiers, and aircraft with all the bells and whistles on them, in battles featuring mostly predictable rinse and repeat bots that this two man army can effectively mash most every team they face. It takes the opposing team to coincidentally have a powerflight to counter it or just two randomly chosen good experienced players that also just happen to be using really tier strong aircraft that also decide to work together closely. Since this rarely happens, the powerflight is generally left unchecked to mash weak teams possibly featuring just one experienced player. 


Edited by TungstenHitman, 02 March 2021 - 06:40 PM.
Quote

Arcouda's Photo Arcouda 02 Mar 2021

Focusing can be a problem in some games, notably lower tier bomber matches.

 

If you're a specialist bomber expect to get marked for death by the enemy using f4 way more than in most other planes.

Quote

Woolfie_aka_paca_chatban's Photo Woolfie_aka_paca_chatban 04 Apr 2021

i would love the names to be shown on blue team  not just red 

 

Quote