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TheNobleQ #41 Posted 05 October 2021 - 08:38 AM

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View PostSvenC333, on 05 October 2021 - 08:34 AM, said:

The point is that there needs to be circumstances that are completely out of the players control to get the mission and that should not be.

 

I'm sure the WoWP team values such missions for exactly that frustration factor since it encourages people to reach for their wallet.  However, the law of unintended consequences says that some will get so frustrated they will give up...perhaps permanently.



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View PostGonerNL, on 30 September 2021 - 10:21 PM, said:

 

In a premium plane you can use any pilot of that country without losing experience and skills ...

 

Great! I'll use my SU-10 bomber pilot then. That Demolition Expert skill should give me the edge I was looking for in a dogfight.



maragotu #43 Posted 05 October 2021 - 07:33 PM

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Well, so many time not writing here, even not about to do it, but I HAVE to apologize to all players may be in my team during some trying for certain missions.

I explain it;  9 fighters in a battle? really? , today I tried for more than 25 battles, only in 2 of them there were 3 fighters in enemy team and I was low TIR so it was impossible too.

And I say that's  impossible because there is no time to get 9 fracks from only enemy fighters when in enemy team there are only 2 fighters. Even in battles that last longer, I was a witness of it in more than one battle.

What does it mean?, Easy, I will try only those battles in which I 'm in my TIR and if there are 3 or  more fighters in enemy team.

Trying in another way is a waste of time, because is impossible,  even in better battle conditions.

So that´s why I apologize, I WILL GIVE UP MOST OF MY BATTLES. This is only Wargaming ' fault, setting impossible missions. I know why, they try to force us to buy certificates. 

And this is not the only example, if there is missions requiring airports, most of battles have no airports. if there is missions requiring command centers, most of battles have no airports. 

Sometimes server gets me out several times a day, that´ s really annoying, and I know I' m not the only one with that problem,I see lot of players in battles that have same disconnection problems.

These and other more issues, have made me almost give up this game, I know all this words are trash  for WG, but at least I ' m trying to apologize those who will have the bad luck to play with me in

the battles I need to accomplish certain missions.

 

And I can assure you I am not a simple noob

 

Good luck in battles. See you in sky's

 


Edited by maragotu, 05 October 2021 - 07:43 PM.


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Nah, you're in good company from what I saw this evening and I also quickly lost interest and left whenever I drew a 2 fighter battle(per team) because it's just not realistic to expect to kill those 2 enemy light fighters 4 and 5 times each during a battle and most likely they will not always go to the sector you are in and a teammate, ADA or AA will probably kill them a few times too. Even with 3 LF's it's a stretch. There was a few battles with 4 light fighters but it was chaos tbh and typically the battle was a rofl stomp for one team or the other lol. 

 

Then I remembered I don't actually want this aircraft and while I do really enjoy taking on these missions, this 9 LF mission this evening had me playing for the wrong reasons and simply leaving battle after battle because the MM keeps creating 2 light fighter battles(per team) and wasn't acceptable to keep doing that, instead of just enjoying the battle and playing for the right reasons. Also, the mission rewards are nothing special so at any point really so I'll just go back to grinding specialist status on some aircraft I have and playing aircraft I'm actually in the mood to play and want to play. I just hope I don't get tempted back into that stupid mindset again. I really don't want this aircraft lol!



AngryChilli #45 Posted 05 October 2021 - 08:27 PM

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View Postmaragotu, on 05 October 2021 - 08:33 PM, said:

Well, so many time not writing here, even not about to do it, but I HAVE to apologize to all players may be in my team during some trying for certain missions.

I explain it;  9 fighters in a battle? really? , today I tried for more than 25 battles, only in 2 of them there were 3 fighters in enemy team and I was low TIR so it was impossible too.

And I say that's  impossible because there is no time to get 9 fracks from only enemy fighters when in enemy team there are only 2 fighters. Even in battles that last longer, I was a witness of it in more than one battle.

What does it mean?, Easy, I will try only those battles in which I 'm in my TIR and if there are 3 or  more fighters in enemy team.

Trying in another way is a waste of time, because is impossible,  even in better battle conditions.

So that´s why I apologize, I WILL GIVE UP MOST OF MY BATTLES. This is only Wargaming ' fault, setting impossible missions. I know why, they try to force us to buy certificates. 

And this is not the only example, if there is missions requiring airports, most of battles have no airports. if there is missions requiring command centers, most of battles have no airports. 

Sometimes server gets me out several times a day, that´ s really annoying, and I know I' m not the only one with that problem,I see lot of players in battles that have same disconnection problems.

These and other more issues, have made me almost give up this game, I know all this words are trash  for WG, but at least I ' m trying to apologize those who will have the bad luck to play with me in

the battles I need to accomplish certain missions.

 

And I can assure you I am not a simple noob

 

Good luck in battles. See you in sky's

 

i did this mission at the 2nd attempt. 9 fighters in a battle. got 10 :teethhappy: 

Thanks at this point to the 2 players who put me on focus with their 1101´s

 

one more thing at this point.

Wg is a company, of course they try to get money out of as many players as possible.

anything else would be stupid from the point of view of a company.
why should everything be simple and easy to get?

if it were otherwise you could give away the planes without any missions.

 

the typical wowp player has almost no skill. just watch the NFT event. For hours and hours, 50%er  sat in bombers, for an absolutely worthless price only to end up at the top :teethhappy:


Edited by AngryChilli, 05 October 2021 - 08:42 PM.

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u4abit2 #46 Posted 06 October 2021 - 07:45 AM

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Prefer longer grind to obtain high tier premium,

Couldn't care less for the mad rush to get it,

It's a little more motivation to log in each day and put a few rounds in for me,

As for the NFT event...

EF131 fest for the title of 'Who lost the most sleep'.

It's similar to win ratio with these new versions....meaningless :)

 



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View Postmaragotu, on 05 October 2021 - 08:33 PM, said:

Well, so many time not writing here, even not about to do it, but I HAVE to apologize to all players may be in my team during some trying for certain missions.

I explain it;  9 fighters in a battle? really? , today I tried for more than 25 battles, only in 2 of them there were 3 fighters in enemy team and I was low TIR so it was impossible too.

And I say that's  impossible because there is no time to get 9 fracks from only enemy fighters when in enemy team there are only 2 fighters. Even in battles that last longer, I was a witness of it in more than one battle.

What does it mean?, Easy, I will try only those battles in which I 'm in my TIR and if there are 3 or  more fighters in enemy team.

Trying in another way is a waste of time, because is impossible,  even in better battle conditions.

So that´s why I apologize, I WILL GIVE UP MOST OF MY BATTLES. This is only Wargaming ' fault, setting impossible missions. I know why, they try to force us to buy certificates. 

And this is not the only example, if there is missions requiring airports, most of battles have no airports. if there is missions requiring command centers, most of battles have no airports. 

Sometimes server gets me out several times a day, that´ s really annoying, and I know I' m not the only one with that problem,I see lot of players in battles that have same disconnection problems.

These and other more issues, have made me almost give up this game, I know all this words are trash  for WG, but at least I ' m trying to apologize those who will have the bad luck to play with me in

the battles I need to accomplish certain missions.

 

And I can assure you I am not a simple noob

 

Good luck in battles. See you in sky's

 

 

I also shared your frustration and quitting matches because of this. But then I checked how they are doing on NA, and found a really helpful suggestion:

http://forum.worldof...306#entry841306

 

The goal is to have at least one bot fighter on the enemy team. Hunt him down (and maybe the other one too if he is close), then move to their spawn and start camping that fighter. After every 30 secs, he will spawn, you can finish him easily multiple times.

I did it with XP-54 (yeah, I know... :P ), but the target was a Japanese T5 fighter, so I had to bring a bot support with me to distract him. Ended up killing the bot 7 times, while catching one human BF190E 2 times.

 

After failing to do it in 20-30 battles, where my record was 7 kills, I ended up completing it on the first try!

 

So don't give up! (Well, at least until you reach Golubev :P ) This can be done in a few tries with this tactic.

 

Good luck to all of you! :honoring:



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You guys do know you can buy the 20 certificates bundle 3x times on each account?
This bundle costs less than €5

I just pass these kind of missions.

maragotu #49 Posted 06 October 2021 - 11:03 AM

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View PostAngryChilli, on 05 October 2021 - 08:27 PM, said:

i did this mission at the 2nd attempt. 9 fighters in a battle. got 10 :teethhappy: 

Thanks at this point to the 2 players who put me on focus with their 1101´s

 

one more thing at this point.

Wg is a company, of course they try to get money out of as many players as possible.

anything else would be stupid from the point of view of a company.
why should everything be simple and easy to get?

if it were otherwise you could give away the planes without any missions.

 

the typical wowp player has almost no skill. just watch the NFT event. For hours and hours, 50%er  sat in bombers, for an absolutely worthless price only to end up at the top :teethhappy:

YOU  did in few battles, I did this morning in only 1 battle, My English is so bad that I can't  explain properly, but I mean that  is almost impossible to kill I figher 4 times and the other 5 times to achieve the mission, today was possible because I had the luck being top tir.  and only a human player against. But is only a question of battle time. I did it , and? the question is  that those missions ruin the battles. You can´t enjoy them, in your team, or in opposite team when people can´t do missions, simply give up and enter in an other battle.

I love this game but WG made me hate it more and more, with that kind of nonsense. People who doesn´t spend money in game, won´t do it with that tricks.



TungstenHitman #50 Posted 06 October 2021 - 02:20 PM

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An option to skip missions until another time might have reaped more cash.

 

From my perspective, if I had the option to skip that 9 fighter kill mission or any other MM reliant mission until I complete all the other missions first, I'm guessing I/others would be far more likely to part ways with the €5-10+ it may cost to simply skip those missions at that point whereas now I'm not even half way through(30% even?) and because I couldn't be arsed much with the Masha and certainly don't feel like waiting for the perfect MM storm to manifest that battle I need to farm 9 LF kills, I've simply moved on and zero % chance I will pay to skip that or any other mission. 

 

If players could skip missions along the way, then by virtue of the fact many will end up completing 95-99% of the missions, most likely at that point they would feel almost foolish not to simply pay that little bit of money to skip the mission or two they end up left with that they really couldn't be arsed monkeying around with.


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The ability to earn certificates via gameplay would be good.

"Unobtainable via high tier bomber"



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I did the "9 fighter mission" last night in the first attempt.

I used a Hurricane II and straight flew into the noobtrap and captured it and then stayed there the whole game.

Thank you very much to the spitfire pilots on the other side who never failed to come at me head on and headbutt my rockets (yes 1 accommodating fellow did it 3 times) and not to mention the nice player in the tier 4 premium KI fighter who so beautifully caught fire so much.

I just love these players who think the Airfield is key to the whole game. 

Fortunately I had better team mates who left me alone in there and caught a couple of garrisons so we also won the game and I got the mission done with 2 fighters spare, a Lambert, Marseille, Ace, Hero of the sky and Golobuv.  



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View Postwack007, on 06 October 2021 - 08:41 AM, said:

You guys do know you can buy the 20 certificates bundle 3x times on each account?
This bundle costs less than €5

I just pass these kind of missions.

and were is that bundle I havent seen one i only get offered a bundle to buy 250 certificates for 50€ and no i am not going to do this. i checked and there are 3 missions i would like to jump that would some 60 certificates but i cant find any

 


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View PostGentle1, on 09 October 2021 - 11:43 AM, said:

and were is that bundle I havent seen one i only get offered a bundle to buy 250 certificates for 50€ and no i am not going to do this. i checked and there are 3 missions i would like to jump that would some 60 certificates but i cant find any

 

On the wargaming centre there is a " certificates for the Antanov M marathon" box you can click on.

Don't do it ingame!

 

 


Edited by Mournfull, 09 October 2021 - 12:39 PM.


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That's clearly one of the missions aimed at getting players to pay some money. 

 

To put things into perspective and for players to evaluate the most likely cost of this LF, we can look at those ball breaking missions and how WG have even added the same missions twice yet the costs of completing actually changes for the exact same mission,

 

- Part 3 (P4) Destroy 9 light fighters in a single battle. Cost = 16 certs

- Part 7 (P4) Destroy 9 light fighters in a single battle. Cost = 25 certs. Hmmm, Deja vu here? Same mission yet the price just went up 50%+ lol. 

- Part 7 (P5) Gabreski Cost = 32 certs.

 

Ok then. So for a lot players, good bad or indifferent, these are most likely the ball breakers and so when we look at what we might need and spend we need to factor those. Sure, we can try for free, if we get those missions, great, if not, we need to look at the cost and decide if it's something we think is good value or not. That's a person thing really. For some, they really want this aircraft, for others, not so much. There's also some other tricky missions in there that some players may get stuck with for a while or decide the just couldn't be arsed so the price might be a bit more.

 

To complete the 3 above missions with certs you will need 16+25+32= 73 certs. 

 

To complete just the 2 (Kill 9 light fighters) missions you will need 16+25 = 41 certs.

 

So you can see what WG have done here. They only sell bundles in 20 certs, 50 certs, 120 certs and higher. None of these bundles pacify the cert requirements evenly and this is purposefully done so you have to buy either and extra bundle for the sake of just 1 single cert requirement or one of the larger cert bundles. So to complete both 9 light fighter kill missions, you can't just buy 2X20 cert bundles, because you need 1 more bloody cert lol, by purposeful design. For the 9 fighter kill missions and Gabreski you can't just purchase a 20+50 cert bundle, because again, you will be 3 certs short lol. And this is generally how the combinations work, always forcing that one extra bundle.

 

So just be aware of this. I would advise to look through all the missions first and take note of the ones you think you would really struggle with and tot up the most likely total number of certs you will need before you actually purchase any. That way, you will have a rough idea of how many you will need and can then decide if it's worth it and what bundles make the best value for you.

 



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Hmm i dont understant your problems....

got the Step 7 mission with the 9 fighter kills with 4th attempt agains only 2 light fighters in enemy team. (both Humans and it was a win)

And i got the Gabreski with 1st attempt....... and both at prime time 21:00 on T10 solo. 

 

And again WG is a Company and not the Caritas were everyone get gifts for free or for there Beautiful Faces. 


Edited by AngryChilli, 10 October 2021 - 12:16 AM.

Ich bin kein A-loch , ich bin viel schlimmer. Ich bin eine Hämorride , ich reize A-Löcher :teethhappy:  

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Angrychilli is one of the best. 

But if your running a marathon it doesn't help if Mo Farrah is running backwards beside you telling you how easy it is.

 



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View PostXzanman, on 10 October 2021 - 01:32 PM, said:

Angrychilli is one of the best. 

But if your running a marathon it doesn't help if Mo Farrah is running backwards beside you telling you how easy it is.

 

 

simply looks different, but most of you indulge in self-pity.

But many who complain about the difficulty of the missions in normal mode always have the same aircraft at the start. 

And when you use a 1101 for the 9 kill mission you get a Problem because near every one think its a good choice for that mission and you end up in never ending dogfights agains the same plane as you self ...

I used The La15 for it , its rare in battles at humans hand and only a Jak is a dangerous enemy. 

 

 


Edited by AngryChilli, 10 October 2021 - 04:14 PM.

Ich bin kein A-loch , ich bin viel schlimmer. Ich bin eine Hämorride , ich reize A-Löcher :teethhappy:  

Those who know nothing must believe everything!!

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It's that kind of advice that we need from player's of your calibre and experience , thanks chilli. Maybe you are not angry all the time  ;)

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Much easier to do it in a heavy fighter.

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